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OfflineCyrus13
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Treating severe depression - dosage advice required
    #25695051 - 12/22/18 12:53 AM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Hi All

A friend has been severely depressed for approximately 4 years after a volunteering trip to Africa. I don't know the exact cause but I think something traumatic happened to her out there.

I will be giving her Cubensis mushrooms to try to reset her brain and clear whatever it is that has caused the depression as it is a very serious issue for her and her deeply concerned mother.

After reading up on scientific studies, I'm considering (dry) 2g for the first dose and 4g after 7 days for the second dose.

Does anyone have any advice regarding dosage and the whole process of treating severe depression from a traumatic experience? I'm seeking the most effective treatment method based on your experiences and knowledge.

Many thanks

Cyrus


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Re: Treating severe depression - dosage advice required [Re: Cyrus13] * 1
    #25696976 - 12/22/18 09:43 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Seek the advice of a medical professional.


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Re: Treating severe depression - dosage advice required [Re: vatman]
    #25704942 - 12/26/18 10:44 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Prescribed pharmaceutical anti-depressants aren't working, thousands of dollars have been spent on psychiatry.

Recent studies show that Psilocybin works where pharmaceuticals don't. I'm here looking for suggestions based on experience.


Edited by Cyrus13 (12/26/18 10:46 PM)


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Re: Treating severe depression - dosage advice required [Re: Cyrus13]
    #25705976 - 12/27/18 01:44 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not sure on severe depression and trauma but as for regular depression I do believe microdosing (and not every day remember) is the way to go.

It may HElP at least...

If your friend gets extremely desperate to have the depression gone then maybe dosing them is the right thing to do but the thing is that there is no "cure" that is not from the heart and there is no cure that is instant that is not from the holy spirit itself and mushrooms are ultimately OTHER organisms than we are and do not "summon" a holy spirit or an experience from the heart automatically no matter how much we want them to.  The line between use and misguided use is almost infinitely thin.

May your intentions be pure.


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Re: Treating severe depression - dosage advice required [Re: Cyrus13]
    #25712882 - 12/30/18 11:44 PM (5 years, 29 days ago)

The common assumption is what we call "depression" is caused by
a malfunctioning brain or "neuro-chemical imbalances".

The assumption is based on the theory we don't create emotional
disturbances. That we are the victims of a bad brain. Many researchers
claim depressing is an activity we choose to engage in, like
chronic anger, stress, and boredom.

If you assume this is caused by a biological defect,
your friend might miss their motivations for depressing.

Beware of only seeking chemicals to fix the problem!


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Re: Treating severe depression - dosage advice required [Re: Cyrus13] * 3
    #25743288 - 01/14/19 09:39 AM (5 years, 15 days ago)

I have a lifelong friend who is in his early seventies and has been dealing with severe depression since he was discharged from the military in 1969.  He is extremely intelligent and has, as he says, used intellect to fight insanity, to the point of having lived a very successful life.  My friend is an artist/artisan who has collectors for his work world wide, is a published author (national magazines, one book) and was a national caliber athlete.

About ten years ago my friend injured his lower back in an accident and his life took a huge turn for the worse.  His use of intense physical activity as one of his antidotes for depression had to be severely cut back.  Since that time his depression has worsened and had reached the point during the last year where he was not only considering suicide, but had picked a means of ending his life and set a date to do so if there was not some kind of positive change in his life.

I should mention that my friend has never used illicit drugs of any kind other than pot.  No pills (other than those prescribed by psychiatrists), no hard drugs, no psychedelics, almost no alcohol.  He tried pot briefly a few years ago to see if it would have any positive effects.  It did not.  None of the psychiatric medications he's been prescribed over the past half century have ever produced any good results... nor has counseling.

My friend, a couple of his close friends (including myself), and his wife of many years have spent the last year putting every effort into finding anything that might provide some relief from depression.  My friend is a fan of Jordan Peterson, and while listening to one of Peterson's videos heard about the use of psilocybin mushrooms (or the chemical equivalent) being used to treat depression.  That lead to all of us researching the topic.  To cut the story short, he started the use of cubensis mushrooms a few months ago.

My friend has always experienced negative reactions to any kind of psychoactive medication and was cautious (in his opinion, and the opinion of his wife and myself) in how he approached taking the mushrooms.  Set and setting were paid close attention to.  His first dose was 1 gram of dried cubensis which he grew himself after gathering the information on how to do so. (A huge debt of gratitude is owed to all on this site who have shared their knowledge.)

A week after his first dose, my friend made a tea from 2 grams.  A week later, 3 grams.  Ten days later, 3 1/2 grams.  My friend went up only half a gram because he was having some pretty rough times at 3 grams and was concerned about going up to 4 grams.  After 3 1/2 he went up to 4 grams ten days later.  Up to 5 grams two weeks after 4.  He was looking for the "mystical experience" referenced in the Johns Hopkins' studies... and other clinical studies... which seems to be a requirement for long term relief from depression.

By the time he had reached the 5 gram trip, he was already seeing changes that appeared to him to be positive... although he could not clearly state exactly what those positive changes were or even how his mental outlook was changing.  But he still had not had the mystical experience he was looking for.  Close, according to my friend, but not there.

He decided to go up to 6.1 grams.  That put him in contact with the Entity... his word... that he'd been seeking.  And whatever he experienced has broken the chain of suicidal thinking.  He is not out of the woods yet, but things are headed in a positive direction for the first time in almost a decade.  My friend is currently micro-dosing .2 grams every four days and doesn't feel the need, as of yet, for another larger dose.

I neither recommend nor discourage the use of these mushrooms.  I'm just relating my friend's story (with his permission) in hopes you can extract some useful information from what I've said.  The mushrooms have not cured him, but there is no doubt that they have done more to help him than anything else has... or that he would have believed possible.

Healing prayers for your friend.


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Re: Treating severe depression - dosage advice required [Re: Burnt Umber]
    #25749697 - 01/17/19 04:16 PM (5 years, 12 days ago)

start at .7 wait 2 days 1.5
if she likes the .7 she will love the 1.5 make sure you do it in a way she wont get sick and throw up because that can ruin a trip ... atleast 4 hours after a meal and making it with coffee or tea + shredded/ground shrooms also digest better.


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Re: Treating severe depression - dosage advice required [Re: Burnt Umber]
    #25752022 - 01/18/19 05:24 PM (5 years, 11 days ago)

Hey Burnt, great info and insight to your friends experience.  I do not suffer from depression but have read and watched quite a bit about psychedelics and depression, especially the Johns Hopkins info.
It is very amazing what Shrooms can do.  Depression, PTSD, end of life depression, sometimes you just need help. 
My daughter has a mild depression.  She didn’t want to stay on the medication she was prescribed and the doctor told her she had to stay on it for the rest of her life if she wants to be happy.  I wanted to go punch that doctor in his crap lousy throat.  She wants to try more healing through natural medicines, food, exercise etc and if that doesn’t do enough we will try mushrooms. 
Thanks for sharing!


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Re: Treating severe depression - dosage advice required [Re: SunnyDayze]
    #25752188 - 01/18/19 06:37 PM (5 years, 10 days ago)

Quote:

SunnyDayze said:
Hey Burnt, great info and insight to your friends experience.  I do not suffer from depression but have read and watched quite a bit about psychedelics and depression, especially the Johns Hopkins info.
It is very amazing what Shrooms can do.  Depression, PTSD, end of life depression, sometimes you just need help. 
My daughter has a mild depression.  She didn’t want to stay on the medication she was prescribed and the doctor told her she had to stay on it for the rest of her life if she wants to be happy.  I wanted to go punch that doctor in his crap lousy throat.  She wants to try more healing through natural medicines, food, exercise etc and if that doesn’t do enough we will try mushrooms. 
Thanks for sharing!





I would get a different doctor.  What a sellout. 

I'm sure things will go well when you guys are doing the right things...

...I've heard Broccoli Sprouts can do wonders for mental health.  Bless you all.


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Re: Treating severe depression - dosage advice required [Re: Nymphaea]
    #25752249 - 01/18/19 07:01 PM (5 years, 10 days ago)

Well as far as my daughter goes, she is a very wonderful mother of two young ones and lives in a town where she doesn’t know a lot of people and is a stay at home Mom who never gets away from her kids.  I’m not suggesting that mental illness isn’t real, but my first prescription for her is to get out of the house, away from the kids and do some vigorous exercise like a sport or something that is just for her.  Then see how she’s doing.
I will pass on to her about the broccoli sprouts and thank you for your blessing!
Mush love!
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Re: Treating severe depression - dosage advice required [Re: SunnyDayze]
    #25753758 - 01/19/19 01:23 PM (5 years, 10 days ago)

Quote:

SunnyDayze said:
Hey Burnt, great info and insight to your friends experience.  I do not suffer from depression but have read and watched quite a bit about psychedelics and depression, especially the Johns Hopkins info.
It is very amazing what Shrooms can do.  Depression, PTSD, end of life depression, sometimes you just need help. 
My daughter has a mild depression.  She didn’t want to stay on the medication she was prescribed and the doctor told her she had to stay on it for the rest of her life if she wants to be happy.  I wanted to go punch that doctor in his crap lousy throat.  She wants to try more healing through natural medicines, food, exercise etc and if that doesn’t do enough we will try mushrooms. 
Thanks for sharing!




Hi Sunny.  You're welcome for any info I posted that you find helpful.

It sounds as if your daughter should be shopping for another doctor.  When it comes to doctors of any stripe, it's good to remember that any of them might have graduated in the bottom half of the class.  A good doctor, it seems to me, should always take time to explore alternative means of solving a problem rather than just making a "pronouncement" about what must be done.


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Re: Treating severe depression - dosage advice required [Re: SunnyDayze]
    #25753784 - 01/19/19 01:33 PM (5 years, 10 days ago)

Quote:

SunnyDayze said:
Well as far as my daughter goes, she is a very wonderful mother of two young ones and lives in a town where she doesn’t know a lot of people and is a stay at home Mom who never gets away from her kids.  I’m not suggesting that mental illness isn’t real, but my first prescription for her is to get out of the house, away from the kids and do some vigorous exercise like a sport or something that is just for her.  Then see how she’s doing.
I will pass on to her about the broccoli sprouts and thank you for your blessing!
Mush love!
:loveheart:




Hi Sunny.

You're most likely on the right track in your thinking about the solution to your daughter's problem.  Everyone needs a life that is more stimulating and enjoyable than just staying home and taking care of the kids, no matter how much she loves them.  Exercise is always good medicine.  Same with sports.  And both are avenues to meeting people and opening up her life to new interests.

Best of luck in helping with her depression.  Keep at it.  Explore all avenues.  You'll win the battle and so will your daughter.


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Re: Treating severe depression - dosage advice required (moved) [Re: Cyrus13]
    #25778253 - 01/30/19 02:23 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

This thread was moved from Shroomery University.

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Belongs here, please read the forum descriptions. Thanks.


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Re: Treating severe depression - dosage advice required (moved) [Re: Middleman]
    #25780270 - 01/30/19 10:46 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

dude you should teach her meditation and have her speak about it without judgment, mushrooms may help her but if she has bad thoughts on mushrooms it will just make it worse or she will relive the memories.

if you do go ahead with the mushrooms, be sober and tell her if she thinks she is falling or going through something bad in the trip tell her to just let it happen don't resist it. tell her to say i'm falling when this happens, and you just say I've got you or ill catch you and hold her hand this will give her the confidence she needs to deal with anything in the trip. she has to trust you completely before she goes into the trip.

i do not think you should do it until she has meditated regularly, or tell her to start running the first day run as far as she can with no energy to get home sit meditate run home. the next day run feather even its just 1 step. do this for 1 to 3 months and i promise she will see results. she has to make the choice to change her mind and thought pattern mushrooms cant do it for her.


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Re: Treating severe depression - dosage advice required [Re: Burnt Umber]
    #25780309 - 01/30/19 11:24 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

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Burnt Umber said:
I have a lifelong friend who is in his early seventies and has been dealing with severe depression since he was discharged from the military in 1969.  He is extremely intelligent and has, as he says, used intellect to fight insanity, to the point of having lived a very successful life.  My friend is an artist/artisan who has collectors for his work world wide, is a published author (national magazines, one book) and was a national caliber athlete.

About ten years ago my friend injured his lower back in an accident and his life took a huge turn for the worse.  His use of intense physical activity as one of his antidotes for depression had to be severely cut back.  Since that time his depression has worsened and had reached the point during the last year where he was not only considering suicide, but had picked a means of ending his life and set a date to do so if there was not some kind of positive change in his life.

I should mention that my friend has never used illicit drugs of any kind other than pot.  No pills (other than those prescribed by psychiatrists), no hard drugs, no psychedelics, almost no alcohol.  He tried pot briefly a few years ago to see if it would have any positive effects.  It did not.  None of the psychiatric medications he's been prescribed over the past half century have ever produced any good results... nor has counseling.

My friend, a couple of his close friends (including myself), and his wife of many years have spent the last year putting every effort into finding anything that might provide some relief from depression.  My friend is a fan of Jordan Peterson, and while listening to one of Peterson's videos heard about the use of psilocybin mushrooms (or the chemical equivalent) being used to treat depression.  That lead to all of us researching the topic.  To cut the story short, he started the use of cubensis mushrooms a few months ago.

My friend has always experienced negative reactions to any kind of psychoactive medication and was cautious (in his opinion, and the opinion of his wife and myself) in how he approached taking the mushrooms.  Set and setting were paid close attention to.  His first dose was 1 gram of dried cubensis which he grew himself after gathering the information on how to do so. (A huge debt of gratitude is owed to all on this site who have shared their knowledge.)

A week after his first dose, my friend made a tea from 2 grams.  A week later, 3 grams.  Ten days later, 3 1/2 grams.  My friend went up only half a gram because he was having some pretty rough times at 3 grams and was concerned about going up to 4 grams.  After 3 1/2 he went up to 4 grams ten days later.  Up to 5 grams two weeks after 4.  He was looking for the "mystical experience" referenced in the Johns Hopkins' studies... and other clinical studies... which seems to be a requirement for long term relief from depression.

By the time he had reached the 5 gram trip, he was already seeing changes that appeared to him to be positive... although he could not clearly state exactly what those positive changes were or even how his mental outlook was changing.  But he still had not had the mystical experience he was looking for.  Close, according to my friend, but not there.

He decided to go up to 6.1 grams.  That put him in contact with the Entity... his word... that he'd been seeking.  And whatever he experienced has broken the chain of suicidal thinking.  He is not out of the woods yet, but things are headed in a positive direction for the first time in almost a decade.  My friend is currently micro-dosing .2 grams every four days and doesn't feel the need, as of yet, for another larger dose.

I neither recommend nor discourage the use of these mushrooms.  I'm just relating my friend's story (with his permission) in hopes you can extract some useful information from what I've said.  The mushrooms have not cured him, but there is no doubt that they have done more to help him than anything else has... or that he would have believed possible.

Healing prayers for your friend.




Thankyou for taking the time to write this.
I hope hes doing well.


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Re: Treating severe depression - dosage advice required [Re: Cyrus13]
    #25783011 - 02/01/19 06:05 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

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Cyrus13 said:
Prescribed pharmaceutical anti-depressants aren't working, thousands of dollars have been spent on psychiatry.

Recent studies show that Psilocybin works where pharmaceuticals don't. I'm here looking for suggestions based on experience.





Yeah pharma drugs suck they just get you dependent and suicidal and dont do much really for depression ...people just get dumb.i take antipsychotics and i know That. I took antidepressants and just felt weird.

If shrooms work i would try it.

Try That psychologically stuff on autonomy competence and love ..if your Daughter still got Issues once those three aspects are fulfilled then go to the shrooms


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Re: Treating severe depression - dosage advice required [Re: Cyrus13] * 1
    #25783294 - 02/01/19 09:06 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

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Cyrus13 said:
Prescribed pharmaceutical anti-depressants aren't working, thousands of dollars have been spent on psychiatry.

Recent studies show that Psilocybin works where pharmaceuticals don't. I'm here looking for suggestions based on experience.




Psilocybin has shown PROMISE of helping *WITH* therapy to go with it.  There are limited studies on it at this point and far from anything conclusive and proven.  You are taking a big risk with her because things can go sideways really really easily on psychedelics, especially for someone with trauma.  I highly suggest she find a therapist who is willing to work though alternative means of therapy if standard therapy isn't working.  Trauma can take many years to get through and psilocybin is not a magic bullet no matter what a news article on vice tells you.


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