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Microdosing every day
    #25775286 - 01/28/19 07:52 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I just recently started microdosing and have done it about 10 times.  I am on 1mg Ativan for anxiety and 10 mg Celexa for depression.  I hope to be able to taper off both.  First, these drugs have not stopped me from the effects of the mushrooms as some here have suggested.  I have done .1 to .3 grams dry and do feel it at all doses.  I believe I am already noticing positive effects on mood, motivation, optimism and a general sense of calm and well being.
I have taken them now for three consecutive days and have not felt diminished effects.  I know the recommendation is for every 2 or 3 days but to get started, I am trying to accelerated my cumulative consumption.  It does not make sense to me that I would develop a tolerance quickly to low doses since I my cumulative consumption has been less than one regular dose.  I would be interested in anyone's informed thoughts on this.  Also, has anyone come across articles or research discussing mushrooms and tapering off anti-depressants? FYI, Dr. Fadiman replied to me that microdosing could be used either in combination with, or to taper (very slowly) these meds.  Thnaks


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Re: Microdosing every day [Re: Shrrrooms] * 2
    #25775412 - 01/28/19 09:06 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

If u want to get off the meds tell ur doctor u wanna get off meds. I would keep the anxiety meds for when u need them tho. Keep taking ur doses till ur weaned off and see how it goes.

But honestly. I feel like 1 good dose a week does more than microdosing.


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Re: Microdosing every day [Re: nube424]
    #25775673 - 01/29/19 12:06 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

What nube424 said about meds.

You can combine micro-dosing with 1-2 g fun doses in the weekend. I do the same.

With micro-dosing the tolerance is close to 0 and it does not compound.

I took 25 g over 12 days(1->3g/day), by the end I had 3x/300% tolerance. No more.

Somebody here told me that even 5 grams, at baseline, taken daily plateaus at 5x/500%.

Just be careful with the come-up anxiety on higher doses, do a couple of jumping-jacks/lunges or go for a 20 min walk.

You're doing great :sunny:


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Re: Microdosing every day [Re: korgoth]
    #25776408 - 01/29/19 12:21 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I did not understand whether your reply was saying that I would develop tolerance with small daily doses? I think you were saying I would develop zero tolerance which seems logical.  My microdoses have been about .1 to .3 grams.  I am avoiding taking large doses while on an SSRI antidepressant since they both increase serotonin and I want to avoid possible serotonin syndrome although I am not sure how high a risk that is.  But being on both an SSRI and Ativan are pointing me toward being conservative.  I really feel like I am getting good benefit from this so I will just move along slowly and try to decrease my meds.


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Re: Microdosing every day [Re: korgoth]
    #25776411 - 01/29/19 12:22 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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With micro-dosing the tolerance is close to 0 and it does not compound.





Are you sure of this? (I've no idea!) How many times have you micro-dosed in a row?  Asking because, like the OP, I too am considering switching to daily MDing as opposed to every other day, but would rather be sure that I'm not going to shoot myself in the foot. I'm trying to take a clinical approach to it and definitely not recreational. For what it's worth, I've not experienced an increase in tolerance from taking it every other day. 

Another interesting question I think is to consider the worst case scenario seeing not everyone reacts the same. What if tolerance does build up after, say, a couple of weeks of continued use; how long would it take to reset the tolerance back to zero?


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Re: Microdosing every day [Re: psyloq]
    #25776440 - 01/29/19 12:41 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

when it comes to micro-dosing I would only do it max 3 times a week. mon wed and sat. Do it just before you have a important task (work etc) but not before bed as you may have difficulty sleeping.


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Re: Microdosing every day [Re: dr psilocybin]
    #25776518 - 01/29/19 01:19 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Try it out. See what happens : D


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Re: Microdosing every day [Re: korgoth]
    #25776553 - 01/29/19 01:39 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

:solidnod:

Day 31 straight for me.

Doses are about .09-.11, twice daily.


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Re: Microdosing every day [Re: HamHead]
    #25776600 - 01/29/19 01:58 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

How are you finding it at that dose and regularity? Have you been documenting your results? I would personally do 0.2 3x a week But if it works it works I ghess.


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Re: Microdosing every day [Re: HamHead]
    #25776915 - 01/29/19 04:30 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Day 31 straight for me.

Doses are about .09-.11, twice daily.




Holy crap, it sounds like you're having a super buzzing time! :sunny:  I take it you've not experienced any tolerance build up?


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Re: Microdosing every day [Re: psyloq]
    #25777428 - 01/29/19 08:07 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Works great! I took a short break from dosing when I got a new job, but after a week I resumed microdosing.

I take one in the morning before clocking in and another at lunch break. Days off, I take a little more, around .3, sometimes a few times throughout the day.

I haven't experienced any tolerance besides getting used to the effects. I feel every dose and am happy with the benefits I'm getting from them.

I'm able to be more in the moment and not get hung up on stupid things or get angry or annoyed as easily which sticks me in a past event over analysing trying to play things out differently in my mind. Also, I'm able to look people in the eyes without having any anxiety, I'm usually looking all over the place trying to hold conversations while avoiding looking at the other person all together.

I started a log but no journal. I've been microdosing off and on pretty much since Paul Stamets was on JRE talking about stacking with niacin and lions mane, so I'm fairly familar with the effects.


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Re: Microdosing every day [Re: HamHead]
    #25777536 - 01/29/19 08:59 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

^ This guy shrooms.
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Re: Microdosing every day [Re: korgoth]
    #25777829 - 01/29/19 11:13 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I have microdosed 10 times during January for a total of 2.24 grams.  It seems that if mushrooms help with brain elasticity, that a goal of getting a fair amount in relatively quickly is good.  Can anyone explain a flaw in this thinking as long as I don't develop tolerance?  Very optimistic based on my short experience so far.


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Re: Microdosing every day [Re: dr psilocybin]
    #25777894 - 01/29/19 11:39 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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How are you finding it at that dose and regularity? Have you been documenting your results? I would personally do 0.2 3x a week But if it works it works I ghess.



That's what I'm doing, so far It's been positive, but I do seem to miss it on the off days and look forward to the dose day.  I need to update my thread.


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Re: Microdosing every day [Re: Doc9151]
    #25778460 - 01/30/19 08:24 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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I do seem to miss it on the off days and look forward to the dose day.  I need to update my thread.





Same. Which is why I rarely take days off, microdoses are making my life better, easing my own suffering.


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Re: Microdosing every day [Re: HamHead]
    #25778602 - 01/30/19 09:59 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Can somebody explain the science/provide links for microdosing and tolerance? As far as I am aware, tolerance to psychedelics builds up extremely quickly (as we all know, trying to trip off of the same amount the next day). To me it seems illogical that tolerance doesn't build up, EVEN IF AT SMALL DOSES, due to the naturally high tolerance response curve of the human body to psilocybin. But this is something I definitely would want to explore, and looking for some scientific/pharmacological answers. Thank you.


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Re: Microdosing every day [Re: plut0]
    #25778611 - 01/30/19 10:07 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I've done it everyday for a month straight before.

I also never listen to other people who say how often you should take mushrooms and always have listened to myself and done what I believe is best, what i need, and what works best for me.

I hardly ever microdose at this point. And dose less frequently than i use to too.

For me it seems after a while you don't really need to as much :shrug:

Good luck op

Hope you get off the meds

Other helpful things, mindfulness and meditation, eating good and exercise, reading books that help teach you to embrace and accept thoughts feelings and emotions we try to avoid and learning to embrace and accept them as opposed to trying to turn them off or run from them

The only way to conquer suffering is to embrave it fully and feel it fully. You cannot run from yourself. It then begins to no longer trouble you.

Good books are helpful. Buddhism, yoga practices, mindfulness practices. Being aware of your thoughts and feelings and emotions, accepting them, feeling them fully, and learning how to deal with them effectively.

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Re: Microdosing every day [Re: plut0]
    #25778612 - 01/30/19 10:08 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Can somebody explain the science/provide links for microdosing and tolerance? As far as I am aware, tolerance to psychedelics builds up extremely quickly (as we all know, trying to trip off of the same amount the next day). To me it seems illogical that tolerance doesn't build up, EVEN IF AT SMALL DOSES, due to the naturally high tolerance response curve of the human body to psilocybin. But this is something I definitely would want to explore, and looking for some scientific/pharmacological answers. Thank you.




Never noticed tolerance myself with mushrooms. EVER.


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Re: Microdosing every day [Re: plut0]
    #25778718 - 01/30/19 11:36 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

this Is why its recommended to have a day or 2 off imo. I stick with the 3x a week max so you have a rest day or 2 so you don't build up a tolerance.


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Re: Microdosing every day [Re: dr psilocybin]
    #25778942 - 01/30/19 01:34 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I've taken then daily for a month with high doses mixed in and never had tolerance.

So it definitely isn't needed for everyone.


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