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Stuntzii Habitat. Looking for tips on outdoor patch placement * 1
    #25772331 - 01/27/19 03:55 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I'm trying to decide where to put a Stuntzii patch, so I've come to the subforum where people are likely to be familiar with their natural habitat. They seem like one of the less picky species but I figure its worth asking, maybe I'll get some tips.

Where to plant them: Just anywhere well drained with wood and/or manure and/or grass? Do they like shade? Being a lawn mushroom they might not care so much about the shade.

I noticed in psilcybin mushrooms of the world (but not other sources so far) that stamets says they tend to fruit close to the coast. I think the figure was within 90 kilometers of the coast. Thoughts on this?


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Re: Stuntzii Habitat. Looking for tips on outdoor patch placement [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #25772833 - 01/27/19 07:29 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Woodchips and shade is good. Curious why you picked stunzii to start a patch of. They are far weaker than cyans or allenii or azures, which grow in the same climates and conditions. Also curious how you plan to start this patch? From spores? Theres a process to start from spores, and if youre gonna go to that trouble, pick a more potent species IMO


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Re: Stuntzii Habitat. Looking for tips on outdoor patch placement [Re: Hamra] * 1
    #25772975 - 01/27/19 08:27 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Woodchips and shade is good. Curious why you picked stunzii to start a patch of.




I read on Wikipedia that these actually like to grow on bark mulch, which is what everyone uses around my neck of the woods, you can't even buy regular woodchips here, even at the biggest garden stores. Whereas P. cyanescens don't like bark mulch. So this has got me thinking, maybe P. stuntzii would be a good candidate to spread around my neighbourhood?


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Re: Stuntzii Habitat. Looking for tips on outdoor patch placement [Re: Duggstar] * 1
    #25773469 - 01/28/19 12:05 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

All woodlovers like bark mulch. Cyanescens, stuntzii and many others like ovoideocystidiata, allenii, azurescens etc. will do just fine on bark mulch.
As long as there wood youre good dude. :awesomenod:


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|-------------------[Ps. Azurescens]------------------------------------------[Ps. Semilanceata]--------------------------------------------[Ps. Allenii]------------------------|


|--------------[Ps. Ovoideocystidiata]------------------------------------------[Ps. Stuntzii]--------------------------------------------[Ps. Baeocystis]----------------------|


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Re: Stuntzii Habitat. Looking for tips on outdoor patch placement [Re: TheDuder] * 2
    #25774243 - 01/28/19 10:41 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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All woodlovers like bark mulch. Cyanescens, stuntzii and many others like ovoideocystidiata, allenii, azurescens etc. will do just fine on bark mulch.
As long as there wood youre good dude. :awesomenod:




I'm fairly certain they mean just the bark, which is devoid of any rich sources of nutrients the primary decomposers want. They still can get going but not near as well as on the actual wood underneath the bark.

Stunzii want well decayed wood. They are a secondary decomposer. Not sure how they would do on just bark mulch. Only one way to find out...


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Re: Stuntzii Habitat. Looking for tips on outdoor patch placement [Re: Sk8nshram] * 1
    #25774376 - 01/28/19 12:10 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

P stuntzii I've come across growing in wood debris and consumed are way stronger than given credit. I was not expecting them to be that strong. I've never found them in the grass yet.

I also have a culture of them and have started outdoor patches. Like P baeocystis, P stuntzii produce a very weak, fragile mycelium on grain. Best results using Brf, rhizo growth observed. I've found well aged wood chips are best like sk8 mentioned above. Scott's EarthGro brown mulch works well right out of the bag.


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Re: Stuntzii Habitat. Looking for tips on outdoor patch placement [Re: Sk8nshram]
    #25774754 - 01/28/19 03:27 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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All woodlovers like bark mulch. Cyanescens, stuntzii and many others like ovoideocystidiata, allenii, azurescens etc. will do just fine on bark mulch.
As long as there wood youre good dude. :awesomenod:




I'm fairly certain they mean just the bark, which is devoid of any rich sources of nutrients the primary decomposers want. They still can get going but not near as well as on the actual wood underneath the bark.

Stunzii want well decayed wood. They are a secondary decomposer. Not sure how they would do on just bark mulch. Only one way to find out...



The stuff I'm talking about is just labelled 'Bark mulch', but looking at it I can see some wood chips in it but I'm not sure what percentage. I'm pretty sure I read RR had said something about this, and it depends on the ratio of wood chip to bark, but I can't find it now.

TheDuder, do you have a source to back that up?


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Re: Stuntzii Habitat. Looking for tips on outdoor patch placement [Re: Hamra]
    #25774868 - 01/28/19 04:37 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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P stuntzii I've come across growing in wood debris and consumed are way stronger than given credit. I was not expecting them to be that strong. I've never found them in the grass yet.

I also have a culture of them and have started outdoor patches. Like P baeocystis, P stuntzii produce a very weak, fragile mycelium on grain. Best results using Brf, rhizo growth observed. I've found well aged wood chips are best like sk8 mentioned above. Scott's EarthGro brown mulch works well right out of the bag.



excellent :takingnotes:

Thanks a bunch for all the replies everyone, I didn't expect to get that many.

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Woodchips and shade is good. Curious why you picked stunzii to start a patch of.




I read on Wikipedia that these actually like to grow on bark mulch, which is what everyone uses around my neck of the woods, you can't even buy regular woodchips here, even at the biggest garden stores. Whereas P. cyanescens don't like bark mulch. So this has got me thinking, maybe P. stuntzii would be a good candidate to spread around my neighbourhood?



ahh yes, I like the way you think. That had not occurred to me.


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Woodchips and shade is good. Curious why you picked stunzii to start a patch of. They are far weaker than cyans or allenii or azures, which grow in the same climates and conditions. Also curious how you plan to start this patch? From spores? Theres a process to start from spores, and if youre gonna go to that trouble, pick a more potent species IMO



By that logic nobody should grow anything but azurescens. Potency is not even on my priority list.

Since its all going outside anyway I haven't been bothering with agar. I'm just taking all my woodlovers to brf/sawdust cakes. Went very well with azures. allennii and cyans are just germinating, ovoids and stuntzii not far behind.

Now that I see that brf cakes knocked with wild spore syringes work just fine I wonder why most people even bother cleaning these species on agar.

This brings up another question I had. Once the mycelium is outside can I just keep superspawning it to more wood over and over again? Or at least a few times. You guys ever hit the senesence roof in your experience?


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Re: Stuntzii Habitat. Looking for tips on outdoor patch placement [Re: Psilosopherr] * 1
    #25776232 - 01/29/19 10:19 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Wood chips mixed with soil and grass seed sprinkled on top and allowed to grow.  That's the environment I've found most Stuntzii in.

I have never found woodlovers in bark mulch unless there are woodchips mixed in or underneath.  I don't even bother looking in bark mulch anymore, it's not worth it.


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Re: Stuntzii Habitat. Looking for tips on outdoor patch placement [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #25776991 - 01/29/19 05:03 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

thanks!

Forgot about that chip drop service in your sig. Might have to do that sometime, my only concern is my bridge might not accommodate the truck. You happen to know what size of trucks we're talkin?


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Re: Stuntzii Habitat. Looking for tips on outdoor patch placement [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #25777405 - 01/29/19 07:58 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Anything from a pickup to a large box truck.

If you fill out the form and put in the notes that your bridge can only accommodate X-big truck, that'll help weed em out.

Be aware, the average load is 6-10 yards.  That's a lot.


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Re: Stuntzii Habitat. Looking for tips on outdoor patch placement [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #25779936 - 01/30/19 09:17 PM (2 years, 30 days ago)

yeah I decided that would be way too much for the time being, maybe next year. Good to know about the truck though for sure


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Re: Stuntzii Habitat. Looking for tips on outdoor patch placement [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #25780899 - 01/31/19 11:23 AM (2 years, 30 days ago)

It's not too much, dooooo it.

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