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Help with ravenous hunger when tripping!!
    #25771608 - 01/27/19 08:09 AM (5 years, 1 day ago)

Here's an issue with me.

Shrooms connect me much more intimately with the signals my body is sending me.  So if I have a little ache or pain somewhere then on shrooms it's nearly debilitating.  I work in dentistry so my lower back is usually a constant source of discomfort on shrooms.

Now, I follow the generally accepted advice and dose on an empty stomach.  This creates a problem.  I'm a lanky, high-metabolism, hypoglycemic type.  When I don't eat I get jittery and extremely uncomfortable.

Once the shrooms kick in I literally feel like I'm dying of starvation and it seriously interferes with my ability to enjoy the trip.  But then if I eat, the effects lessen noticeably.

Anyone with a similar metabolic profile have any tips or tricks to deal with this?  Other than "take more" of course.


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Re: Help with ravenous hunger when tripping!! [Re: individualist]
    #25779693 - 01/30/19 05:12 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

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.....Now, I follow the generally accepted advice and dose on an empty stomach.  This creates a problem.  I'm a lanky, high-metabolism, hypoglycemic type.  When I don't eat I get jittery and extremely uncomfortable.

Once the shrooms kick in I literally feel like I'm dying of starvation and it seriously interferes with my ability to enjoy the trip.  But then if I eat, the effects lessen noticeably.

Anyone with a similar metabolic profile have any tips or tricks to deal with this?  Other than "take more" of course.





Eat something!

I never understood why so many people suggest fasting for a bit before dosing & eating them on an empty stomach. I feel this is something that's just repeated a lot online, and I don't agree with this suggestion. I much prefer to have some sugar and nutrition in my blood/system while I trip.


Having a little bit of food in your stomach and sugar/nutrition in your system before you dose shouldn't lessen the effects that drastically. Just eat a light meal an hour or two before dosing, or have a simple & clean small snack on hand (like some fruit, honey toast, etc) to nibble on through out the trip.



I'm not all that lanky, but I'm kinda the same as you since I do become hypoglycemic kinda easily and need some sugar in my system otherwise I become shaky and kinda anxious and low energy/focus. Relatively high metabolism.

I don't dose on a full stomach, and I always try to wait at least 2 hours after my last meal before I dose....but I never trip on an empty stomach, I actually make sure I eat a good clean meal at some point before I dose. And I do this with all the classics, mushrooms, LSD, mescaline, MDMA, etc etc....I want some nutrition and nourishment in my system before I get "lit up" for 10+ hours :lol: .

It's not that I get an intense appetite while tripping if I don't eat, it's mostly because I hate the feeling of low blood-sugar and low nutrition in my system...fasting or dosing on a mostly empty stomach will have me feeling rather weak, kinda shaky/jittery, and FAR more prone to anxious feelings and other negative emotions.

And while mushrooms have never bothered my stomach much...having a little bit of food in the stomach also helps with any potential nausea or upset stomach issues. I know lots of people suggest fasting/dosing on an empty stomach to help lessen nausea, but that never made sense to me and that is not how it is for me...Having some simple clean/light food in the stomach seems to help "cushion" and lessen any load that mushrooms (or cactus tea, etc etc etc...) might put on the stomach & gut.







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Re: Help with ravenous hunger when tripping!! [Re: openmind]
    #25779709 - 01/30/19 05:22 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

For eating while your tripping I'd recommend sticking to bland and light food so you don't make yourself sick. Like crackers or maybe a PB&J sandwich. You could also just consume the shrooms in food when you're taking them which makes it a little less annoying to choke them down anyways. I'm exactly the same way with shrooms or acid. It makes me 1000% aware of any discomfort from bad posture, being cold, anything like that. Shrooms are largely to thank for my posture improving the way it has I think :lol:


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Re: Help with ravenous hunger when tripping!! [Re: Dr.Satan] * 1
    #25779761 - 01/30/19 05:39 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

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.... Shrooms are largely to thank for my posture improving the way it has I think :lol:





Same here :yesnod: .

While I still don't have the greatest posture, I have become much more conscious and aware of the body I am in and how I hold my posture and how I move my body.

I was pretty "out of touch" and oblivious to my body...Very very much so, terrible posture, I was also very "rigid" and kinda "locked up" in the ways I moved my body....Mushrooms have helped me out a lot in this area, they connected me with my body and made me much more aware of this "meat suit" I'm in. I have become much more aware of my posture and my body's motions. Mushrooms also taught me how to dance :lol: , no joke :yesnod: .

There is far more to it than that...but yea, simply put, mushrooms have helped me out a lot with bringing awareness and connection to my body/physical self.


And when I'm actually tripping on mushrooms, and tryptamines in general...they always make me sit, stand, and walk with the most proper upright posture ever...I feel like my body is tuned perfectly to the "T" when I'm in the later phase of a mushroom trip.






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Re: Help with ravenous hunger when tripping!! [Re: openmind]
    #25779774 - 01/30/19 05:43 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Eat something light 2h before you dose


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Re: Help with ravenous hunger when tripping!! [Re: openmind]
    #25779799 - 01/30/19 05:53 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Do you happen to dose syrian rue daily? if not, i suggest 2-3 grams (you'll have to figure out the exact amount for you) right before work, once a day. i've noticed that rue tends to make the muscles relax, so that they only do the minimum needed to maintain your position and no more. this has caused my lower back to stop constantly tensing and hurting like crazy at the end of several hours standing and lifting things as a cashier. by the end of the shift, my back only vaguely aches and the pain fades within a couple minutes of resting. it also tends to make me a bit more willing to talk to people.

side effects include nausea and vomiting, particularly in the first month, especially the first week. your body will adapt to rue and stop with the sickening feeling eventually, but wear sea bands, eat ginger, or use anti-nausea meds to avoid this while you go through that period. also, rue interacts with many drugs - make sure to check if any you take are on the DO NOT MIX list, because it can be serious. other than that rue is a great tool with no real side effects that i've seen, other than the initial nausea and horrifying taste. Use capsules. plus it boosts psych trips, meaning you need less to get the same effect (roughly 2x, and increased duration of trip by a few hours.) and it's dirt cheap! i paid 30 bucks for a lb of the stuff, enough for a few months.

as far as munchies go, you're the opposite of me. i suspect you eat several small meals a day, whereas i eat one large one. maybe that's why i'm fat? <_<; so much for the intermittant fasting diet...though i do get told i look a lot younger than my actual age, so maybe it's not all bunk! i suggest chocolate, as it combos excellent with shrooms, especially dark chocolate. it seems to make the trip last a bit longer too. just eat a light snack or meal if you dosed within the last couple hours, so you don't dilute things too much. a big meal will weaken the trip.

from what i've seen with mescaline and what i remember with shrooms, my own taste buds go into overdrive while tripping. i'd stick to "delicious" food. that means no 2$ chip bags, no bargain candies, no frozen dinners. aim for real home cooking, from scratch. or fresh ingredients like fruit. i at least, can detect all sorts of nasty chemicals and fake flavorings when tripping, and the cheap stuff winds up just in the trash and my stomachs still growling.


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Re: Help with ravenous hunger when tripping!! [Re: Psion]
    #25780034 - 01/30/19 08:13 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Just eat beforehand.

I've never known a deep 'spiritual' trip to have any kind of physical craving - rather than the exact opposite of abolishing the need.

That goes for literally anything that can be consumed.


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Re: Help with ravenous hunger when tripping!! [Re: openmind]
    #25780349 - 01/31/19 12:04 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

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individualist said:
.....Now, I follow the generally accepted advice and dose on an empty stomach.  This creates a problem.  I'm a lanky, high-metabolism, hypoglycemic type.  When I don't eat I get jittery and extremely uncomfortable.

Once the shrooms kick in I literally feel like I'm dying of starvation and it seriously interferes with my ability to enjoy the trip.  But then if I eat, the effects lessen noticeably.

Anyone with a similar metabolic profile have any tips or tricks to deal with this?  Other than "take more" of course.





Eat something!

I never understood why so many people suggest fasting for a bit before dosing & eating them on an empty stomach. I feel this is something that's just repeated a lot online, and I don't agree with this suggestion.



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Fucking THIS

Eat some fucking organic plant based shit that gets you all your nutrients and fills you up nicely.

Starving yourself before a trip is fucking retarded in my honest to god opinion, if you wana trip harder, eat more fucking mushrooms for fucks sake.

If anything the shrooms taught me to eat an extremely diverse plant based diet and get all my nutrients and stay hydrated with healthy liquids, not fucking tap water.

I ALLWAYS make sure my stomach is full before I dose, coz I can't eat much but strawberries and fruit juice when I trip SAX


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Re: Help with ravenous hunger when tripping!! [Re: RogerTheRetard] * 1
    #25780365 - 01/31/19 12:17 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Shrooms teach you to look after you health and be the greatest version of yourself, starving yourself especially if your an underweight fulla with a high metabolism is just asking for a terrible time.

Bulk the fuck up and take care of your health.

If I'm hungry, I eat.
I don't fuck with fasting and not eating when my brain tells my body to eat.

I become so full of rage when I'm hungry, I become irritable and extremely extremely angry, nothing fucks me off more than having an empty stomach.


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Re: Help with ravenous hunger when tripping!! [Re: RogerTheRetard]
    #25781885 - 01/31/19 03:59 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

^ What the others have said here seems to ring true for you, no sense in being uncomfortable on your trip, if the hunger is detracting from the experience it defeats the purpose of dosing on an empty stomach anyway.


I personally do fast though, usually for a full day and night if i'm doing a proper ceremonial trip - i find it helps galvanize a strong intention, and the feeling when i eat after coming down is beyond bliss...usually an orange and i appreciate it in such a powerful way.

But i'm fairly used to fasting and see the hunger as an important contrast.


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Re: Help with ravenous hunger when tripping!! [Re: Piaseski]
    #25782336 - 01/31/19 07:15 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

your only making yourself feel this way by lack of eating.. the shrooms are pretty much telling you to eat because your body is weak from lack of food source energy etc.


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Re: Help with ravenous hunger when tripping!! [Re: individualist]
    #25782668 - 01/31/19 10:39 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Hunger while tripping has been a thing for me too. I never noticed any change in the effects whether I had a full or empty stomach so if I have even a hint of hunger I usually eat around half an hour after dosing, just as it's starting to come on. Ime that kind of suffering doesn't improve a trip.


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Re: Help with ravenous hunger when tripping!! [Re: individualist]
    #25783721 - 02/01/19 12:37 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Your body will tell you what you need. When I first started tripping we'd all drop and go to Burger King for a snack. Later, when I was tripping alone more often I'd have some jelly toast or similar right as I dosed. I found the simple carbs were what I needed to keep my energy level up. I never noticed any negative effect on intensity or duration.


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Re: Help with ravenous hunger when tripping!! [Re: MadValley]
    #25784980 - 02/02/19 12:05 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Man- one time on LSA I just about fuckin drowned myself in potato chips. It was like I couldn't possibly eat enough, fast enough. It was crazy. Honestly I think its kind of in the spirit of things to just roll with the feeling, as long as its "safe".

I guess another way to look at it is a challenge of self control being presented to you by your ego, and you could try to work through it with meditation and mindfulness of your body.


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Re: Help with ravenous hunger when tripping!! [Re: Mycophile]
    #25785182 - 02/02/19 03:06 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Nachos, oranges, apples, bananas, rrrealy goood : D


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