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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25786655 - 02/02/19 04:41 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Lee Camp is always funny, and he states the obvious about Venezuela if you're still on the fence...



Edit:  Note that only the first 12 minutes are about Venezuela.




RT lol


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods] * 2
    #25786721 - 02/02/19 05:17 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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RT lol



Ya RT.  You know, the channel where no one can find examples of fake news.  The Channel that Ed Schultz ran off to because MSNBC wouldn't let him cover Bernie favorably.  The channel where Lee Camp is an American in America covering American news.

He makes excellent points in the video, which I welcome you to rebut/discuss.  This forum is long past your "DURRR, PUTIN" rhetoric.  You've been proven wrong way too many times already.

People aren't afraid of watching RT anymore like you seem to be.  Have some balls and give it a view and tell us where you think he gets it wrong.  Venezuela is only the first 12 minutes.  :popcorn:


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25786757 - 02/02/19 05:55 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Lemme guess “DURRR AMERICAN IMPERIALISM”


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods]
    #25786758 - 02/02/19 05:56 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Don't guess.  Watch it and tell us what he gets wrong... :popcorn:


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25786761 - 02/02/19 05:58 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Lee camp is a 9/11 truther. I don’t need to listen to him. His opinion is worthless.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods] * 1
    #25786781 - 02/02/19 06:08 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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RT lol




Quote:

koods said:
Lemme guess “DURRR AMERICAN IMPERIALISM”





What's your take on Venezuela?

Actually, what has CNN told you about Venezuela?

It is clearly American Impirialism.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods] * 1
    #25786793 - 02/02/19 06:15 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Lee camp is a 9/11 truther.



What does that mean exactly?  A source for your claim would be acceptable.

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I don’t need to listen to him. His opinion is worthless.



You don't have to do anything.  However, to say the video is worthless without watching it or rebutting it makes you look incredibly comment redacted tonight - get it?  :wink:.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25786796 - 02/02/19 06:16 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I just don’t pay attention to 9/11 conspiracy peddlers


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods] * 2
    #25786800 - 02/02/19 06:18 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Prove he's a 9/11 conspiracy peddler, Mr. King of Make Believe.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods] * 2
    #25786810 - 02/02/19 06:25 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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I just don’t pay attention to 9/11 conspiracy peddlers




What's your take on the coup in Venezuela? Or do you believe there is a coup?


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #25786818 - 02/02/19 06:31 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

koods said:
RT lol




Quote:

koods said:
Lemme guess “DURRR AMERICAN IMPERIALISM”





What's your take on Venezuela?

Actually, what has CNN told you about Venezuela?

It is clearly American Impirialism.




My take is that the Chavez maduro regime is epically incompetent and corrupt. They have been scapegoating American interference as cover for their mistakes for a decade. How the fuck do you bankrupt a country that has the world’s largest oil reserves? Has the world interfered in their internal politics? Sure. That doesn’t explain the humanitarian disaster that is occurring.

The election last year was a sham and totally undemocratic. Most of the electorate didn’t even participate. Learned helplessness.

I also think it’s really patronizing to dismiss the popular support for Guaido or any opposition to maduro as a CIA AstroTurf plot. Talk about American arrogance, dismissing Guaido from another continent, because he’s somehow not legitimate in your eyes. The entire political system seems to be illegitimate at this point. It’s also a shame that American leftist have been duped into tacit support of a dictator because he yells about American meddling.

As for a coup. When your country is run by someone who refuses to allow fair elections, then be all means I support a coup if that’s your only way out.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods] * 2
    #25786875 - 02/02/19 06:58 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Prove he's a 9/11 conspiracy peddler, Mr. King of Make Believe.



*CRICKETS*

Ya, I was pretty sure that was more make believe from the make believe king.  Thanks for confirming.

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My take is that the Chavez maduro regime is incompetent and corrupt.



Hey, that was Lee Camp's take too!  :shocked:

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How the fuck do you bankrupt a country that has the world’s largest oil reserves?



Here's how

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Has the world interfered in their internal politics? Sure. That doesn’t explain the humanitarian disaster that is occurring.



Actually, it does.

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The election last year was a sham and totally undemocratic.



Says the reigning and still champion king of make believe.

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I also think it’s really patronizing to dismiss the popular support for Guaido or any opposition to maduro as a CIA AstroTurf plot. Talk about American arrogance, dismissing Guaido from another continent, because he’s somehow not legitimate in your eyes. The entire political system seems to be illegitimate at this point.



Lee Camp talks about how Maduru is not well liked in Venezuela, but he's a lot more liked than Guaidó who 81% of the population never even heard of just a few weeks ago.

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It’s also a shame that American leftist have been duped into tacit support of a dictator because he yells about American meddling.



You think American leftists are being "duped" by Maduro?  That all those articles showing US interference are Maduro's work?  :flowstone:


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods] * 2
    #25786887 - 02/02/19 07:07 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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koods said:
Quote:

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Quote:

koods said:
RT lol




Quote:

koods said:
Lemme guess “DURRR AMERICAN IMPERIALISM”





What's your take on Venezuela?

Actually, what has CNN told you about Venezuela?

It is clearly American Impirialism.




My take is that the Chavez maduro regime is epically incompetent and corrupt. They have been scapegoating American interference as cover for their mistakes for a decade. How the fuck do you bankrupt a country that has the world’s largest oil reserves? Has the world interfered in their internal politics? Sure. That doesn’t explain the humanitarian disaster that is occurring.




Yes, that does explain it! Lol

The United States froze their assets, and imposed sanctions on them, which caused the crisis. You saying that it didn't happen, doesn't make it so. Not to anyone who cares about the truth of the matter.

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The election last year was a sham and totally undemocratic. Most of the electorate didn’t even participate. Learned helplessness.




Source?

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I also think it’s really patronizing to dismiss the popular support for Guaido or any opposition to maduro as a CIA AstroTurf plot. Talk about American arrogance, dismissing Guaido from another continent, because he’s somehow not legitimate in your eyes. The entire political system seems to be illegitimate at this point. It’s also a shame that American leftist have been duped into tacit support of a dictator because he yells about American meddling.




The people don't even know who Guaido is! How is Guaido legitimate!?! He has no right whatsoever to assume Maduro's position. Not by Venezuelan law. How patronizing to suggest that Venezuelan law doesn't trump the will of the United States in their own country.

Have we not seen this happen before? Is it really beyond the pale to thing that the CIA might install a pro-American leader in an oil rich country, in South America. What planet are you living on?


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 2
    #25786943 - 02/02/19 07:48 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Koods can make some really good posts, and then he posts shit like this (that the election was undemocratic because of low voter turnout, but Guaidó is legitimate because he declared himself so, and has the support of a minority of Venezuelans and Trump).

This is Ukraine all over again.  Look at where Ukraine now stands on the List of countries by wealth per adult.  Koods wants to do the same to Venezuela.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
    #25786961 - 02/02/19 08:01 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Koods can make some really good posts, and then he posts shit like this (that the election was undemocratic because of low voter turnout, but Guaidó is legitimate because he declared himself so, and has the support of a minority of Venezuelans and Trump).

This is Ukraine all over again.  Look at where Ukraine now stands on the List of countries by wealth per adult.  Koods wants to do the same to Venezuela.




Yeah. I just don't understand how anyone can trust CNN on something like this anymore. How'd that work when we went to war with Iraq, or Vietnam, or Libya...

There are legitimate, bonified records of the US engaging in regime change throughout the world. There are declassified documents detailing false flag operations. Venezuela is a Socialist country, with the greatest oil reserves in the world, who also doesn't trade in US dollars. How are they not an obvious target for US interference?

How patronizing is it to say that their elections aren't up to our standards, and that the US government should choose their new leader. Let Venezuela handle Venezuelan politics. How many 'humanitarian' efforts has America been involved in, as a guise for something far more dubious?

I think it's fringe quakery to suggest that the United States wouldn't interfere in South American politics on behalf of fortune 500 companies, here in America.

There is a clear line of reasoning that suggests the US is backing a coup in Venezuela.

One last point I'd like to make, is that the specifics about 9/11 were not immediately apparent at that time, nor were they for years to come. There's nothing wrong with being skeptical of the stories your government tells you, particularly when they have a history of lying.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #25786969 - 02/02/19 08:08 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Great post.  And I agree there's nothing wrong with being skeptical about 9/11 while the story is still unfolding.

I was just wondering what koods meant about Lee Camp being "a 9/11 conspiracy peddler" (I couldn't find anything on Google) and it now appears koods just made that up, as he does about so many things.


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    #25786975 - 02/02/19 08:12 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Great post.  And I agree there's nothing wrong with being skeptical about 9/11 while the story is still unfolding.




What do you mean, are you on the fence? I feel that there is a lot of brow beating on this subject.

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I was just wondering what koods meant about Lee Camp being "a 9/11 conspiracy peddler" (I couldn't find anything on Google) and it now appears koods just made that up, as he does about so many things.




I feel I may have seen him comment on the subject, but I can't recall specifically.


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    #25786999 - 02/02/19 08:25 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Great post.  And I agree there's nothing wrong with being skeptical about 9/11 while the story is still unfolding.



What do you mean, are you on the fence? I feel that there is a lot of brow beating on this subject.



I don't currently question the official 9-11 story.  I haven't yet seen convincing evidence to contradict it.

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I was just wondering what koods meant about Lee Camp being "a 9/11 conspiracy peddler" (I couldn't find anything on Google) and it now appears koods just made that up, as he does about so many things.



I feel I may have seen him comment on the subject, but I can't recall specifically.



Sure, he's discussed 9-11, but I was unable to find any "conpiracy peddling".  That's why I asked koods to explain.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25787066 - 02/02/19 09:11 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Yeah. I just don't understand how anyone can trust CNN on something like this anymore. How'd that work when we went to war with Iraq, or Vietnam, or Libya...




What does CNN have to do with this convo?


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    #25787091 - 02/02/19 09:24 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Replace "CNN" with "mainstream media".


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