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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods]
    #25771409 - 01/27/19 04:56 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Nothing has been invaded except apparently one of our posters orifices.

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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods] * 1
    #25772216 - 01/27/19 12:51 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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The us elections weren’t a sham.

The Venezuelan elections were. The main opposition party, which was leading in almost every poll at the beginning of 2018, was banned from participating in the presidential election. How the fuck can you consider that a legitimate election if the current regime simply bans any competitor that has a chance to win.



So the political forum's reigning 'king of make believe' says the opposition party was leading in almost every poll at the beginning of 2018, but he doesn't provide a source for that claim?

I was unable to find anything that remotely backs your statement up; though I found a ton of articles saying the opposite.  At best I found an article saying Lopez was the leading opposition candidate (though still trailing Maduro). I'm afraid you'll have to provide a link showing you're not make believing again.


Note that in Venezuela, you can't run for President if you're a criminal.  Leopoldo Lopez was found guilty of trying to overthrow the Government through street protests, much like they did in Ukraine, because he knew he couldn't win at the polls.

I look forward to your evidence that he was more popular than Maduro.  :popcorn:


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fal are you so beholden to the chauvista ideology than you are unable to admit it has been the most disastrous regime in modern world history. In a decade and a half they have transformed one of the richest countries in South America into one of the poorest countries in the entire world. It’s a disgrace that anyone still defends this regime. :facepalm:



I know it's been disastrous, and I pointed that out earlier in this thread.  Why don't you do a little reading and let's debate anything you disagree on WITH EVIDENCE rather than more make believe, which we're all getting tired of.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25772247 - 01/27/19 01:10 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)



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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods] * 1
    #25772352 - 01/27/19 02:02 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Maduro govt, whatever its faults, have only called for dialogue, the opposition don't want that. they want to take power. they boycott elections and then call them rigged but don't invite UN observers to verify this fraud.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-venezuela-politics-un/venezuela-opposition-asks-u-n-not-to-send-observers-to-may-vote-idUKKCN1GO2J2

the US has had a long history of fucking with Venezuela. Maduro is crappy compared to Chavez but crippling sanctions, asset seizure and millions of dollars funding the opposition certainly doesn't help. Now the US has got the Bank of England stopping Maduro taking gold out.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-25/u-k-said-to-deny-maduro-s-bid-to-pull-1-2-billion-of-gold


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods]
    #25772360 - 01/27/19 02:06 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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http://efectococuyo.com/politica/delphos-528-de-los-electores-votaria-por-un-candidato-presidencial-de-la-mud/



MUD was a coalition of 14 parties.  Do you have a poll showing any one of those parties or candidates in those parties was leading Maduro?

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Overthrow the government through street protests? How convenient.



It was very convenient when the CIA succeeded in doing so in Ukraine.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Tipote]
    #25772368 - 01/27/19 02:10 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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The main opposition coalition is boycotting the election on the grounds that the elections council has historically favoured the ruling Socialist Party, and because the best-known candidates have been jailed or barred from holding office.

“What we have asked the United Nations today is not to validate the electoral fraud in May,” said legislator Delsa Solorzano of the Broad Front coalition at a small demonstration outside a U.N. office in Caracas.




This is not a democracy.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #25772369 - 01/27/19 02:10 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Maduro govt, whatever its faults, have only called for dialogue, the opposition don't want that. they want to take power. they boycott elections and then call them rigged but don't invite UN observers to verify this fraud.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-venezuela-politics-un/venezuela-opposition-asks-u-n-not-to-send-observers-to-may-vote-idUKKCN1GO2J2

the US has had a long history of fucking with Venezuela. Maduro is crappy compared to Chavez but crippling sanctions, asset seizure and millions of dollars funding the opposition certainly doesn't help. Now the US has got the Bank of England stopping Maduro taking gold out.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-25/u-k-said-to-deny-maduro-s-bid-to-pull-1-2-billion-of-gold



Great post.  :thumbup:

No one denies that things are bad in Venezuela right now.  But there's tons of evidence showing that the CIA is fucking things up over there.  And then there's this:
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Do you think that Guaido simply declaring himself as President is more democratic than the elections they just had in Venezuela?



That's still an open question for koods.  How can Trump support someone that simply declares himself President?


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25772382 - 01/27/19 02:16 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Venezuela is a humanitarian crisis. The people of Venezuela should be allowed to participate in a legitimate election, where the president is not buying votes with food and jailing opposition leaders.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods]
    #25772386 - 01/27/19 02:17 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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“What we have asked the United Nations today is not to validate the electoral fraud in May,” said legislator Delsa Solorzano of the Broad Front coalition at a small demonstration outside a U.N. office in Caracas.



This is not a democracy.



Oh now that's a real gem.  The opposition party didn't want the UN to validate that the elections were fair.  https://venezuelanalysis.com/News/13717

:doublefacepalm:

God damn your posts are retarded when it comes to certain topics.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25772393 - 01/27/19 02:20 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

No. They didn’t want the UN to legitimize an election they knew would be a sham.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25772392 - 01/27/19 02:20 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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The Chavez maduro regime has COMPLETELY destroyed that country. Their continued existence is a crime against humanity.



Venezuela had the strongest economy in South America under Chavez, until the US got extremely nervous about socialism doing well and intervened.


At any rate, does the US get to pick Venezuela's leader?

Since you think Trump is a disaster, would you be ok with Russia meddling with our leadership?  Oh wait, you've already made it pretty clear that you're not.



My friend is a Venezuelan immigrant and he never once blamed the us for their problems. He blamed corruption, plain and simple


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods] * 2
    #25772395 - 01/27/19 02:21 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Venezuela is a humanitarian crisis.



We know.

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The people of Venezuela should be allowed to participate in a legitimate election, where the president is not buying votes with food...



Quoted for posterity.  Now it all makes sense.  Koods is now supporting a Republican talking point.

"Maduro wants to help the people by giving them stuff at the expense of the rich".  You're no progressive.  Your an establishment shill.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: MagicMush123] * 1
    #25772398 - 01/27/19 02:23 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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My friend is a Venezuelan immigrant and he never once blamed the us for their problems. He blamed corruption, plain and simple



No shit, the CIA doesn't just announce its secret operations.  It spreads propaganda by telling Venezuelans it's all Maduro's fault (for not being a US puppet).

Read some of the articles I posted.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25772399 - 01/27/19 02:23 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

No. If you are a member of the party, you get a nice allotment of food. If you are not, then you are on your own.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods]
    #25772403 - 01/27/19 02:24 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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No. They didn’t want the UN to legitimize an election they knew would be a sham.



Isn't that for the UN to decide and not the losing party?  God damn your posts are retarded when it comes to certain topics.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25772408 - 01/27/19 02:25 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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My friend is a Venezuelan immigrant and he never once blamed the us for their problems. He blamed corruption, plain and simple



No shit, the CIA doesn't just announce its secret operations.  It spreads propaganda by telling Venezuelans it's all Maduro's fault (for not being a US puppet).

Read some of the articles I posted.



It's funny how you read propaganda and post with such conviction, yet think you know more than someone who actually lived there for 25 years


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods]
    #25772427 - 01/27/19 02:35 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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No. If you are a member of the party, you get a nice allotment of food. If you are not, then you are on your own.



That's not true.  A Government ID card simply helps ensure people get food.  It has nothing to do with which party you're in.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: MagicMush123]
    #25772438 - 01/27/19 02:42 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

There’s nothing more condescending than essentially saying Venezuela is just some CIA plaything and the US controls the destiny of the country. That’s what Chavez and maduro have been saying for 15 years. It’s not their incompetence and pillaging ruining the country. It’s all the CIAs fault. It so pathetic.

If the CIA truly wanted them gone they would have been gone years ago. Fal can’t imagine that the people of Venezuela are capable or willing to oppose maduro without the US pulling the strings. No...They are just mindless puppets of American imperialism.

He is perfectly willing to delegitimize anyone who is fighting against the maduro dictatorship. Did you see that blog where the guy essentially says Guaido’s followers don’t look poor enough to be actual suffering Venezuelans? It’s fucking sick.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: MagicMush123]
    #25772441 - 01/27/19 02:43 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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It's funny how you read propaganda and post with such conviction, yet think you know more than someone who actually lived there for 25 years



Did I say I know more than your friend about Venezuela?  I was simply referring to the CIA operations there.  Has your friend heard about that?


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25772448 - 01/27/19 02:47 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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It's funny how you read propaganda and post with such conviction, yet think you know more than someone who actually lived there for 25 years



Did I say I know more than your friend about Venezuela?  I was simply referring to the CIA operations there.  Has your friend heard about that?



Thats a lot of reading, i cant get through it all at the moment. But was just saying that ive asked a few times whether it was socialism or outside influence for their problems and he seems to think that it is internal corruption :shrug:


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