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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: christopera] * 1
    #26286132 - 10/30/19 12:05 AM (8 months, 10 days ago)

One of the guys who played a big role in helping prevent a Venezuelan coup just got arrested.

‘This charge is 100% false’: Grayzone editor Max Blumenthal arrested months after reporting on Venezuelan opposition violence

Free speech may be a thing of the past in the United States if that speech is against the Government.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26286317 - 10/30/19 03:16 AM (8 months, 10 days ago)

"Blumenthal was arrested literally hours after The Grayzone published an article on USAID paying the salaries of Guaidó’s team as they lobbied the US government."

Yeah, that is the kind of news you don't hear. 

At times numbering more than 100, the Venezuelan opposition outside the embassy was chocked full of wealthy Venezuelans who fled to the US after the socialist government of Hugo Chavez came to power in 1998, ushering in a government for the poor masses of Venezuela for the first time. The expatriates, in turn, stood to gain financially by the US overthrowing the government of President Nicolas Maduro, Chavez’s successor, which it had been trying to do since January 23, 2019, having made a previous attempt in 2002.

I wonder what they will do to him.  Maybe nothing much more than this, for now at least.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26286396 - 10/30/19 05:12 AM (8 months, 10 days ago)

I think it's just meant to be a lesson for him to stop reporting on the bad things the US does.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26286427 - 10/30/19 05:59 AM (8 months, 10 days ago)

Can't read the link right now but thx for posting.  What is the charge/s?


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: relic] * 2
    #26286876 - 10/30/19 10:51 AM (8 months, 10 days ago)

After raiding his home in DC and locking him up for two days with no miranda rights, they claim he assaulted someone at a US embassy. :oogle:


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: relic]
    #26286937 - 10/30/19 11:15 AM (8 months, 10 days ago)

I was just writing a summary, but that's a good video, thanks.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26287384 - 10/30/19 02:27 PM (8 months, 10 days ago)

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I wanna hear what koods thinks about Chavez giving over 100,000 American homes free hesting oil



He probably thinks it's propaganda.  :lol:




Of course it’s propaganda. Even you should be able to recognize that.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods]
    #26287391 - 10/30/19 02:32 PM (8 months, 10 days ago)

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Blumenthal’s participation in a delivery of food and sanitary supplies to peace activists and journalists inside the Venezuelan embassy on May 8, 2019.




Is he a journalist or an activist?


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods] * 1
    #26287529 - 10/30/19 03:40 PM (8 months, 10 days ago)

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Yesum said:
I wanna hear what koods thinks about Chavez giving over 100,000 American homes free hesting oil



He probably thinks it's propaganda.  :lol:



Of course it’s propaganda. Even you should be able to recognize that.



You really should try a simple Google search before showing off your make believe skills.

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Blumenthal’s participation in a delivery of food and sanitary supplies to peace activists and journalists inside the Venezuelan embassy on May 8, 2019.



Is he a journalist or an activist?



He's an exceptional journalist.  The two are NOT mutually exclusive.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26287615 - 10/30/19 04:34 PM (8 months, 10 days ago)

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koods said:
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I wanna hear what koods thinks about Chavez giving over 100,000 American homes free hesting oil



He probably thinks it's propaganda.  :lol:



Of course it’s propaganda. Even you should be able to recognize that.



You really should try a simple Google search before showing off your make believe skills.




I’m sorry how does that giogle search refute the fact that giving away fuel was a propaganda stunt?


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods]
    #26287617 - 10/30/19 04:35 PM (8 months, 10 days ago)

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He's an exceptional journalist.  The two are NOT mutually exclusive.



They should be


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods] * 1
    #26287684 - 10/30/19 05:02 PM (8 months, 10 days ago)

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how does that giogle search refute the fact that giving away fuel was a propaganda stunt?



Because Chavez was a decent person, in spite of the mainstream media anti-socialist propaganda you've read telling you otherwise.

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He's an exceptional journalist.  The two are NOT mutually exclusive.



They should be



I don't see the problem if people like Max are reporting on facts that people like you wouldn't otherwise know about.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26287711 - 10/30/19 05:13 PM (8 months, 10 days ago)

A journalist should never take part in the events he is covering. This is journalism 101.

Chavez was a hardcore ideologue. I don’t know if he was decent or not. Venezuela giving oil to poor Americans in the dead of winter was clearly an effort to propagandize against the failures of capitalism and to buy some positive pr for Chavez and Venezuela.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods] * 1
    #26287989 - 10/30/19 06:44 PM (8 months, 10 days ago)

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Blumenthal’s participation in a delivery of food and sanitary supplies to peace activists and journalists inside the Venezuelan embassy on May 8, 2019.




Is he a journalist or an activist?




I think a more appropriate question would be, "were charges brought?"

Activist or Journalist, nobody should be arrested in an effort to intimidate them, or shut them up.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods]
    #26288003 - 10/30/19 06:47 PM (8 months, 10 days ago)

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A journalist should never take part in the events he is covering. This is journalism 101.

Chavez was a hardcore ideologue. I don’t know if he was decent or not. Venezuela giving oil to poor Americans in the dead of winter was clearly an effort to propagandize against the failures of capitalism and to buy some positive pr for Chavez and Venezuela.




And just what do you think US aid to Venezuela is? I don't see why it matters.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #26288233 - 10/30/19 08:06 PM (8 months, 10 days ago)

That’s fine. USAID is certainly part propaganda. I’m just hoping people like fal can see that Chavez was doing the same thing.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #26288265 - 10/30/19 08:18 PM (8 months, 10 days ago)

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Blumenthal’s participation in a delivery of food and sanitary supplies to peace activists and journalists inside the Venezuelan embassy on May 8, 2019.




Is he a journalist or an activist?




I think a more appropriate question would be, "were charges brought?"

Activist or Journalist, nobody should be arrested in an effort to intimidate them, or shut them up.




I agree. But he was involved in an illegal occupation of an embassy. Whether you like it or not, the US recognized Guaidó as the leader of Venezuela and his envoy to the US.


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    #26288415 - 10/30/19 09:30 PM (8 months, 9 days ago)

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...he was involved in an illegal occupation of an embassy. Whether you like it or not, the US recognized Guaidó as the leader of Venezuela and his envoy to the US.



Since when does the US have authority to determine the leader of another country?


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods]
    #26288497 - 10/30/19 09:54 PM (8 months, 9 days ago)

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... Whether you like it or not, the US recognized Guaidó as the leader of Venezuela and his envoy to the US.




Yes, but Guaido is not the elected leader of Venezuela. Like it or not, they had an election, and Guaido wasn't even a candidate. The US can't just decide who to recognize as the leader of a country, just as France can't just decide I'm the president of the US.

You need to understand that other countries have their own laws, and sovereignty. The US is not above those laws, when operating in those lands.

Might does not make right.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods] * 1
    #26288530 - 10/30/19 10:03 PM (8 months, 9 days ago)

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That’s fine. USAID is certainly part propaganda. I’m just hoping people like fal can see that Chavez was doing the same thing.




People like you see it as evil when Chavez does it, and 'meh', when the US does it. Right or wrong, they are equivalent. I don't think any government cares about the citizens of any foreign country. They have a hard enough time caring about their own citizens. The US doesn't give a shit about Venezuelan citizens, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool. Any aid, or involvement we have there is in the interest of the US, not Venezuela, including this coup d'etat.


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