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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods] * 1
    #25820917 - 02/18/19 03:04 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Venezuelans' message to the US: Hands off our country




I just watched that.  Seems to prove koods wrong about Venezuelans wanting American interference.  :thumbup:



I never said that. Very dishonest post.



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The US and most of the world doesn’t consider Maduro the legitimately elected president. This is not new. So, Guaido comes along and declares himself interim president and everyone jumped on board.



80% of Venezuela never heard of the guy before he declared himself President, but yet somehow the US knew for certain that he was our man, and we jumped on board.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25821519 - 02/18/19 08:08 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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koods said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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Venezuelans' message to the US: Hands off our country




I just watched that.  Seems to prove koods wrong about Venezuelans wanting American interference.  :thumbup:



I never said that. Very dishonest post.



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The US and most of the world doesn’t consider Maduro the legitimately elected president. This is not new. So, Guaido comes along and declares himself interim president and everyone jumped on board.



80% of Venezuela never heard of the guy before he declared himself President, but yet somehow the US knew for certain that he was our man, and we jumped on board.




So you admit you lied about me saying that Venezuelans want American interference


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods]
    #25821597 - 02/18/19 08:55 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

It's another civil war and why leadership sucks.  The CIA is a democracy full of traffic light possibilities.

There is no green light yet to go democratize their oil.  The commies down there are bad people.

Ya all get paranoid of the cia too much because you dream what you would do with that power.  Simple stuff right there.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods] * 1
    #25821781 - 02/18/19 10:41 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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80% of Venezuela never heard of the guy before he declared himself President, but yet somehow the US knew for certain that he was our man, and we jumped on board.



So you admit you lied about me saying that Venezuelans want American interference



You lied about them wanting an American puppet President.  Only a minority do.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
    #25822184 - 02/19/19 08:13 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

What a joke that speech was last night.

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“You will find no safe harbor, no easy exit and no way out. You’ll lose everything,” Trump said at a Monday night rally in Miami, warning Venezuela’s armed forces to suspend their loyalty to Maduro.

The crowd at Florida International University was made up of mostly of immigrants from Venezuela and Cuba, Reuters reports. More than 100,000 Venezuelans and Venezuelan-Americans live in South Florida, the largest concentration in the country.

Trump offered strong backing for Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaido, who declared himself the interim president after rejecting Maduro’s election to a second term last year as illegitimate. Trump called on the military to turn their support to Guaido and allow U.S. aid to be let into country, after Maduro ordered a blockade on the border.




http://time.com/5532143/donald-trump-miami-venezuela/

Trump supporting a self declared president. Maybe I'm the president of Venezuela too.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: christopera]
    #25822231 - 02/19/19 08:43 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

If they are liberal, like a lot of Colombians are.  Then it's not going to be on the news much.  The media is already so schizophrenic with reporting ever damn shocking story.

Sure, there will be Venezuelan hard liners.  People willing to die for a job and fragile security.  But most of these people want the goods that come with democracy.  They just don't have a good chance of enjoying life under a leadership that is rigid and that old school.

The Soviet Empire fell apart, yet there are still these left over states.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Morel Guy]
    #25822339 - 02/19/19 10:15 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

You guys just don't know.  Venezuala has hosted terroist groups such as ELN and FARC.  These are more than cocaine gangs.  These are very subversive armed terroists.  They create a lot of issues.

They really work for guys like Putin.  They don't put this stuff in the news because it's hard to bug a terroist camp.  It's hard to prove, yet highly apparent.

Goes way way way back.  Makes me nervous too!

Having known some good Colombians at Culver.  Having known some bad ones too.  We all know for sure if this conflict gets worse (and it likely will) that it's going to cause a lot of suffering very quickly.  There's just nowhere to out these people caught in a war.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Morel Guy]
    #25822384 - 02/19/19 10:54 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

If I ahd more money and freedom I'd wanna see what companies will get the venzualian oil contracts, after the invasion of course.

Psycological warfare can only do so much.  Sooner or later you need GI's.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #25822484 - 02/19/19 12:11 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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The Soviet Empire fell apart, yet there are still these left over states.



Venezuela wasn't part of the Soviet Union.  And they were the most successful country in South America under Chavez before the US started interfering with them.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25822559 - 02/19/19 12:59 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Are you sure they weren't a soviet satelite state?  Cause all their weapons are soviet.  Their dogma is soviet.  Maybe you don't understand my lose play of words or sense of humor?


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #25822614 - 02/19/19 01:37 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

My point is that Venezuela is socialist because the people wanted to be, not because some foreign power forced them into it.


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    #25822737 - 02/19/19 03:06 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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My point is that Venezuela is socialist because the people wanted to be, not because some foreign power forced them into it.





I don't agree with that.  Socialism is practically a military dictatorship.  That appears to be the case in in Venezuela.

So all these weak leaders promoting some sort of socialism and not realizing it gives the military a lot of power,....are pretty damn stupid and dumb with a lacing of retarded.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Morel Guy] * 3
    #25822954 - 02/19/19 05:19 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Could you define socialism for me


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25822986 - 02/19/19 05:34 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

In theory it's basically communism.  Private ownership is less damaging because responsibility is not mitigated the same way as falling thru the cracks of politics.

When something is that social, it just breaks from exhaustion.  BUT the way socialism works is there is those in power and those without.  Those without still tend to be treated like shit, no matter the system.  They don't put enough effort into fixing the stupid system.

Shroomery is a great example of that.  You feel threatened by disabled people you see as less, yet you feel threatened.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Morel Guy]
    #25823007 - 02/19/19 05:44 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

It's almost always decentralizing democracy.  Who has the loudest voice and who can change the world the most....almost always goes badly!

Being a nobody has a lot more security and freedom to voice and do whatsoever.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #25823120 - 02/19/19 06:32 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Could you define socialism for me



In theory it's basically communism.  Private ownership is less damaging because responsibility is not mitigated the same way as falling thru the cracks of politics.

When something is that social, it just breaks from exhaustion.  BUT the way socialism works is there is those in power and those without.  Those without still tend to be treated like shit, no matter the system.  They don't put enough effort into fixing the stupid system.

Shroomery is a great example of that.  You feel threatened by disabled people you see as less, yet you feel threatened.

It's almost always decentralizing democracy.  Who has the loudest voice and who can change the world the most....almost always goes badly!

Being a nobody has a lot more security and freedom to voice and do whatsoever.



Alrighty then...


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25823217 - 02/19/19 07:20 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I had a theory at one time, that JFK wanted to socialize the Oil Industry.  He got a bit commie on the LSD. There is no officially released report that he took LSD.  But there is some hints to that, and cannabis.

He was a brat for sure.  People liked him and that was dangerous.  So somebody did something about that.  There are internet stories of Oswald talking to a lawyer about laws surrounding the import of LSD; when it was 'legal'.

There's a lot of fights and car bombs in Russia pertaining to the oil industry and who controls the vital industry.

So there is some transition shock and I don't know everything about it or really anything.  It's conjecture.  What most people on the net do.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: christopera] * 2
    #25823374 - 02/19/19 08:31 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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What a joke that speech was last night.

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“You will find no safe harbor, no easy exit and no way out. You’ll lose everything,” Trump said at a Monday night rally in Miami, warning Venezuela’s armed forces to suspend their loyalty to Maduro.

The crowd at Florida International University was made up of mostly of immigrants from Venezuela and Cuba, Reuters reports. More than 100,000 Venezuelans and Venezuelan-Americans live in South Florida, the largest concentration in the country.

Trump offered strong backing for Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaido, who declared himself the interim president after rejecting Maduro’s election to a second term last year as illegitimate. Trump called on the military to turn their support to Guaido and allow U.S. aid to be let into country, after Maduro ordered a blockade on the border.




http://time.com/5532143/donald-trump-miami-venezuela/

Trump supporting a self declared president. Maybe I'm the president of Venezuela too.




Doesn't sound like a coup to me. No sir.


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    #25823550 - 02/19/19 09:35 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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In theory it's basically communism.  Private ownership is less damaging because responsibility is not mitigated the same way as falling thru the cracks of politics.

When something is that social, it just breaks from exhaustion.  BUT the way socialism works is there is those in power and those without.  Those without still tend to be treated like shit, no matter the system.  They don't put enough effort into fixing the stupid system.

Shroomery is a great example of that.  You feel threatened by disabled people you see as less, yet you feel threatened.




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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25823770 - 02/19/19 11:27 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Something is about to pop.

http://news.trust.org/item/20190219192150-z7baw

CARACAS, Feb 19 (Reuters) - Venezuelan troops will remain stationed along the country's borders to prevent territorial violations, the defense minister said on Tuesday, ahead of the opposition's plan to bring in humanitarian aid to alleviate an economic crisis.

President Nicolas Maduro has rejected offers of foreign food and medicine, denying there are widespread shortages and accusing opposition leader Juan Guaido of using aid to undermine his government in a U.S.-orchestrated bid to oust him.

Guaido has said that aid will enter Venezuela from neighboring countries by land and sea on Saturday. The United States has sent tons of aid to Colombia's border with Venezuela, but Maduro has refused to let it in.

In comments broadcast on state TV, Defense Minister Vladimir Padrino said the opposition would have to pass over "our dead bodies" to impose a new government. Guaido, who has invoked the constitution to assume an interim presidency, denounces Maduro as illegitimate and has received backing from some 50 countries.

U.S. President Donald Trump on Monday warned members of Venezuela's military who remain loyal to Maduro that they would "find no safe harbor, no easy exit and no way out."

"You'll lose everything," Trump told a crowd of Venezuelan and Cuban immigrants in Miami.

Guaido has beseeched the armed forces to disavow Maduro, promising them future amnesty, though only a few officers have so far done so.

Padrino said it was unacceptable for the military to receive threats from Trump, and said officers and soldiers remained "obedient and subordinate" to Maduro.

"They will never accept orders from any foreign government ... they will remain deployed and alert along the borders, as our commander in chief has ordered, to avoid any violations of our territory's integrity," Padrino said.

"Those that attempt to be president here in Venezuela ... will have to pass over our dead bodies," he said, referring to what he called Guaido's efforts to create a "puppet government."

Guaido, addressing those who called him a "puppet," said on Tuesday that the National Assembly, of which he is head, was making decisions, not any foreign power. "The decision-making is sovereign," he said, after a meeting with ambassadors from European countries.

Maduro, who won a second term last year in an election that critics denounced as a sham, retains the backing of Russia and China and control of Venezuelan state institutions.

MARITIME BORDER CLOSED

Venezuelan authorities have closed the maritime border with the Dutch Antilles, a regional navy chief told Reuters on Tuesday, preventing boats and aircraft from arriving from the islands of Aruba, Curacao and Bonaire.

Vice Admiral Quintero Martinez did not give a reason for the closure, though Venezuela's opposition have said they plan to bring humanitarian aid into the country from Curacao on Saturday, which Maduro's government has pledged to block.

Leaders of several Latin American nations plan to travel to Colombia's border with Venezuela on Friday ahead of the delivery of aid, Chile's President Sebastian Pinera said on Tuesday, adding he had accepted an invitation from Colombian President Ivan Duque.

"We want to show the strong and clear support from all Latin America - almost all Latin America - to a prompt and peaceful solution to Venezuela's grave crisis," Pinera told a news conference.

It was not immediately clear which leaders would attend. Most Latin American countries now recognize Guaido as president, though Bolivia, Cuba and Nicaragua still support Maduro.

Billionaire Richard Branson is also backing a "Live Aid"-style concert on Friday in the Colombian border city of Cucuta with a fundraising target of $100 million to provide food and medicine for Venezuela. Maduro's government has announced two rival concerts just across the border. (Reporting by Vivian Sequera, Brian Ellsworth and Mayela Armas in Caracas; Additional reporting by Aislinn Laing in Santiago Writing by Angus Berwick; Editing by Andrea Ricci)


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