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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25796385 - 02/07/19 12:11 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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A WikiLeaks document from 2017 reveals the people of Venezuela aren't the US's priority after all.


No wonder koods hates WikiLeaks - they keep proving him wrong.




That document is from 1978.

The second basic interest is “THAT VENEZUELA, AS ONE OF THE FEW VIABLE LATIN AMERICAN DEMOCRACIES, IS WILLING TO SPEAK OUT ON HUMAN RIGHTS AND DEMOCRATIC FREEDOMS;”

The concerns about the people of Venezuela in 1978 were obviously a little less concerning.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #25796398 - 02/07/19 12:30 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Ya, because if we wanted to assassinate Maduro, we'd fly in a drone that had a clear American signature, maybe even with the US flag and military markings on it.  :facepalm:

This thread was over at [/thread].



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don't know if you realize this, but the petrodollar is a very serious component of United States' power over the rest of the world. I suppose we can argue about that point, if you would like, but you will surely lose that argument also.




I’m very aware people believe that. It is a rather silly thing to believe.




Why is that?




Because the oil trade makes up only a fraction (less than 1%) of the demand for dollars in foreign exchange trading. The US was just as economically powerful before the so called petrodollar and it will be fine if the system falls apart. The reason the dollar is the world’s premier currency is because our economy is huge and not restrictive and we are politically stable.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods] * 2
    #25796423 - 02/07/19 01:12 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Koods, I think you've lost sight of the forest and are now in the trees.

The bottom line is that the US is encouraging an illegal undemocratic coup in Venezueala, and that's not in dispute.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods]
    #25796424 - 02/07/19 01:13 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Because the oil trade makes up only a fraction (less than 1%) of the demand for dollars in foreign exchange trading. The US was just as economically powerful before the so called petrodollar and it will be fine if the system falls apart. The reason the dollar is the world’s premier currency is because our economy is huge and not restrictive and we are politically stable.




Then how do you explain the United States going after every major exporter of oil that trades in other denominations?


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25796427 - 02/07/19 01:16 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Koods, I think you've lost sight of the forest and are now in the trees.

The bottom line is that the US is encouraging an illegal undemocratic coup in Venezueala, and that's not in dispute.




I would like all of my points to be entirely sound, before claiming victory over the internet. I think the case for the petrodollar is quite cut and dry, but maybe you could assist me in making that case, good buddy! :smile:

As I said earlier, I'm pretty sauced.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 3
    #25796433 - 02/07/19 01:24 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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I would like all of my points to be entirely sound, before claiming victory over the internet. I think the case for the petrodollar is quite cut and dry, but maybe you could assist me in making that case, good buddy! :smile:

As I said earlier, I'm pretty sauced.



I think you've already made the case.  What countries have ditched the petrodollar that the US isn't hostile with?


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods] * 2
    #25796795 - 02/07/19 07:59 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Venezuela doesn't trade oil in petrodollars.



So what?




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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Tipote]
    #25796881 - 02/07/19 08:49 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Yeah... I'm trying to think of another singular product that makes up 1% of US dollar transactions.. hmm..


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #25796908 - 02/07/19 09:11 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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I would like all of my points to be entirely sound, before claiming victory over the internet. I think the case for the petrodollar is quite cut and dry, but maybe you could assist me in making that case, good buddy! :smile:

As I said earlier, I'm pretty sauced.



I think you've already made the case.  What countries have ditched the petrodollar that the US isn't hostile with?



that was a good read! some great examples.

(btw steemit is a pretty cool project)


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #25796977 - 02/07/19 09:59 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Yeah... I'm trying to think of another singular product that makes up 1% of US dollar transactions.. hmm..



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Because the oil trade makes up only a fraction (less than 1%) of the demand for dollars in foreign exchange trading. The US was just as economically powerful before the so called petrodollar and it will be fine if the system falls apart. The reason the dollar is the world’s premier currency is because our economy is huge and not restrictive and we are politically stable.




Then how do you explain the United States going after every major exporter of oil that trades in other denominations?



You have that backwards. The US goes after a country, then they start trading in other currencies.

I don’t understand why people believe the currency used is all that important. It sounds like conspiracy nutter stuff from the same crowd that think we should be on the gold standard.


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    #25797053 - 02/07/19 10:42 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Most definitely not the same crowd.

The people who want to be on the gold standard are the ones who don't fully understand fiat currency.

The people who argue the petrodollar is important are the ones who observe extreme US hostility towards any country not on the petrodollar.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25797061 - 02/07/19 10:48 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

So the US started being hostile to Venezuela in late 2017?


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods]
    #25797066 - 02/07/19 10:53 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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So the US started being hostile to Venezuela in late 2017?




There wasn't an assassination attempt and a political coup until recently.

Venezuela nationalized oil production before 2017 anyway...


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #25797154 - 02/07/19 11:37 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

So did Saudi Arabia. So did most oil producing countries.

The US has been hostile to Venezuela for over a decade before they starting trading with another currency.


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    #25797172 - 02/07/19 11:48 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

And we didn't encourage an illegal coup that goes against all western democratic principles until they did.


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    #25797459 - 02/07/19 02:30 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: christopera] * 1
    #25798379 - 02/07/19 11:31 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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    #25798440 - 02/08/19 12:31 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Finally a good point


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods]
    #25798481 - 02/08/19 12:58 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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/threadx2



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Finally a good point



All of his points have been quite good, especially agreeing with christopera's last post that this thread is done.

I notice you're the only one left here parroting establishment propaganda on Venezuela.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25798494 - 02/08/19 01:18 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

When Wikileaks released that carter era memo about venezuala, did they say it was from 1978 or did they want everyone to assume it was recent and relevant to the current situation? We’re they using it for propaganda or was it you?


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