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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #25795845 - 02/06/19 08:58 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

All seems solved.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #25795959 - 02/06/19 09:54 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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United States is well known for using drone strikes to accomplish such things.



The drones that are used by the military and not the kind that were used in Venezuela. The Venezuela drones were drones you can buy at Walmart.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods] * 1
    #25796020 - 02/06/19 10:15 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Ya, because if we wanted to assassinate Maduro, we'd fly in a drone that had a clear American signature, maybe even with the US flag and military markings on it.  :facepalm:

This thread was over at [/thread].


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: christopera]
    #25796220 - 02/06/19 11:57 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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You know, the irony of this thread is that for a short while koods gave Trump credit for caring about the Venezuelan people, even though he knows Trump couldn't care less about his own people.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25796254 - 02/07/19 12:11 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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You know, the irony of this thread is that for a short while koods gave Trump credit for caring about the Venezuelan people, even though he knows Trump couldn't care less about his own people.




How did he give Trump credit for caring about Venezuelans?

Why would that racist dirtbag piece of shit give a fuck about Venezuelan people? Maybe it's their women. I love South American women... Definitely over Russian chicks.

I'm kinda drunk, but that comment felt appropriate.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #25796294 - 02/07/19 12:47 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Ya, because if we wanted to assassinate Maduro, we'd fly in a drone that had a clear American signature, maybe even with the US flag and military markings on it.  :facepalm:

This thread was over at [/thread].




The only similarity between the drones used by the military to remotely attack targets and the drone used in the assasination attempt is the word “drone.” The cia/military drones are multi million dollar remote controlled aircraft only slightly smaller than manned aircraft that fire gps guided missiles. The the drone used in carcas was a $1000 quadcopter with some explosives taped to it. The carcass attack was pure amateur hour. It’s seems like the type of scheme hatched in someone’s basement. You can’t on one hand say that the use of drones points to the US, when the us drone program bears absolutely no resemblance to the clearly amateur attempt on maduro’s life with a quadcopter fitted with what is essentially a suicide vest.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #25796299 - 02/07/19 12:52 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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How did he give Trump credit for caring about Venezuelans?



I guess you're right.  He's been denying US interference.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods]
    #25796303 - 02/07/19 12:56 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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The only similarity between the drones used by the military to remotely attack targets and the drone used in the assasination attempt is the word “drone.” The cia/military drones are multi million dollar remote controlled aircraft only slightly smaller than manned aircraft that fire gps guided missiles. The the drone used in carcas was a $1000 quadcopter with some explosives taped to it.



Again, the US wouldn't announce an illegal assassinad to the world.  Of course we'd make it look like it wasn't us.

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You can’t on one hand say that the use of drones points to the US, when the us drone program bears absolutely no resemblance to the clearly amateur attempt on maduro’s life with a quadcopter fitted with what is essentially a suicide vest.



You can if you have evidence that the US sponsored the attack.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #25796334 - 02/07/19 01:26 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Ya, because if we wanted to assassinate Maduro, we'd fly in a drone that had a clear American signature, maybe even with the US flag and military markings on it.  :facepalm:

This thread was over at [/thread].




The only similarity between the drones used by the military to remotely attack targets and the drone used in the assasination attempt is the word “drone.” The cia/military drones are multi million dollar remote controlled aircraft only slightly smaller than manned aircraft that fire gps guided missiles. The the drone used in carcas was a $1000 quadcopter with some explosives taped to it. The carcass attack was pure amateur hour. It’s seems like the type of scheme hatched in someone’s basement. You can’t on one hand say that the use of drones points to the US, when the us drone program bears absolutely no resemblance to the clearly amateur attempt on maduro’s life with a quadcopter fitted with what is essentially a suicide vest.




Great post...


Ok ok, I got one for you bro...

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Evidence?




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The military arrested two of the drone pilots minutes after the attack as well as four other conspirators in the days following the attempt on Maduro’s life. Two names of terrorists involved with the plot have been released so far, they are Rayder Russo, a resident of Colombia, and Osman Delgado, a resident of the United States.

Earlier today, Venezuelan Attorney General, Tarek William Saab, said this list of suspectshas also grown since the attack to include another 19 individuals. According to the AG, many of these newly identified plotters are not actually in Venezuela so “The Public Ministry will send requests to the United States and Colombia for their cooperation to extradite those involved in this act.”




I suppose a lot of this comes down to who you believe, but there is loads of circumstantial evidence implicating the United States. We can go over it, if you would like, but you don't seem terribly interested in getting to the truth of the matter.

Here are some points to consider.

- I don't think it's terribly controversial to suggest that the United States wants Maduro killed.
- The United States is well known for using drone strikes to accomplish such things.
- The United States is well known for overthrowing governments in South America.
- The United States is well known for equipping local populations to do it's dirty work (ie Syria and Afghanistan).
- Columbia recently became a 'global partner' member of NATO, and is likely to be cooperating with the US.
- Venezuela has the largest oil reserves in the world, and won't allow American oil companies to profit from it.
- Venezuela doesn't trade oil in petrodollars.
- The United States is backing an illegitimate challenger to Maduro's leadership.
- Venezuela has identified both Columbian, and United States citizens as the perpetrators of the attack.
- Bolton's clipboard - indicating recent American military involvement in Columbia, or intended military involvement.



In light of all of this, you think the United States is inclined to take a 'hands off' approach to Venezuela? That's never been the US style, and it certainly isn't now. Trump has already talked about sending troops to Venezuela.





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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods]
    #25796336 - 02/07/19 01:28 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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i don't think it's terribly controversial to suggest that the United States wants Maduro killed.



I don’t think it’s terribly likely the US would believe killing maduro would change anything. Chavez died and nothing changed. Actually things got worse.

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The United States is well known for equipping local populations to do it's dirty work (ie Syria and Afghanistan).



Even in Venezuela, getting your hands on a quadcopter and a stick of dynamite diesnt require American assistance.

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Venezuela has the largest oil reserves in the world, and won't allow American oil companies to profit from it.




Countries around the world have nationalized their oil industries. Saudi Arabia did exactly the same thing Venezuela did, divesting their American partners from their oil industry. Saudi Aramco is the sole operator in Saudi Arabia. The Venezuelan oil company actually owns one of the largest petroleum refiners in the US, Citgo. Norway and the UK also have sole domain over their oil reserves. Iran. Russia. Yet, somehow Venezuela is just a bridge too far. Nope.

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Venezuela doesn't trade oil in petrodollars.



So what?

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- Venezuela has identified both Columbian, and United States citizens as the perpetrators of the attack.



Nope. They identified Venezuelans, some of whom are living in exile. There are a lot of Venezuelans who oppose maduro who have had to leave the country for their own safety. Almost 15% of the Venezuelan population has left the county in the past 15 years, the largest emigration of refugees in the Americas in history. 30% of the Venezuelan population say they would leave the country if they could.

There is nothing historically unusual for plots to overthrow a government to be hatched by the opposition in exile.


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    #25796337 - 02/07/19 01:28 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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The only similarity between the drones used by the military to remotely attack targets and the drone used in the assasination attempt is the word “drone.” The cia/military drones are multi million dollar remote controlled aircraft only slightly smaller than manned aircraft that fire gps guided missiles. The the drone used in carcas was a $1000 quadcopter with some explosives taped to it.



Again, the US wouldn't announce an illegal assassinad to the world.  Of course we'd make it look like it wasn't us.

Quote:

koods said:
You can’t on one hand say that the use of drones points to the US, when the us drone program bears absolutely no resemblance to the clearly amateur attempt on maduro’s life with a quadcopter fitted with what is essentially a suicide vest.



You can if you have evidence that the US sponsored the attack.




If I had multimillion dollar drones that would provide clear evidence that I was behind the attack, I'd probably use cheaper drones. Just sayin. I think Koods thinks the CIA is fucking retarded. It's not. Intelligence is in the fucking name bro!


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 2
    #25796339 - 02/07/19 01:28 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

John Bolton is now tweeting bribes to senior Venezuelan military officers.  :wtf:

https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1093239408520761345


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods] * 2
    #25796344 - 02/07/19 01:36 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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i don't think it's terribly controversial to suggest that the United States wants Maduro killed.



I don’t think it’s terribly likely the US would believe killing maduro would change anything. Chavez died and nothing changed. Actually things got worse.




The United States has already designated his unelected successor, with some level of success! The last thing standing in Gaido's way is Maduro.

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Quote:

The United States is well known for equipping local populations to do it's dirty work (ie Syria and Afghanistan).



Even in Venezuela, getting your hands on a quadcopter and a stick of dynamite diesnt require American assistance.

Quote:

Venezuela has the largest oil reserves in the world, and won't allow American oil companies to profit from it.




Countries around the world have nationalized their oil industries. Saudi Arabia did exactly the same thing Venezuela did, divesting their American partners from their oil industry. Saudi Aramco is the sole operator in Saudi Arabia. The Venezuelan oil company actually owns one of the largest petroleum refiners in the US, Citgo. Norway and the UK also have sole domain over their oil reserves. Iran. Russia. Yet, somehow Venezuela is just a bridge too far. Nope.




Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Saudi Arabia only trades oil for petrodollars (US dollars). I should also throw out the fact that Saudi Arabia buys an absolute fuckton of arms from the United States, and there's money to be made in that way. Aside from that, it's always good to have allies in the middle east, like Saudi Arabia. Not the same situation.

Saudi Arabia would be more difficult to marginalize than Venezuela. They also don't have as much oil. Venezuela is an easy target.

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Venezuela doesn't trade oil in petrodollars.



So what?







I don't know if you realize this, but the petrodollar is a very serious component of United States' power over the rest of the world. I suppose we can argue about that point, if you would like, but you will surely lose that argument also.

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- Venezuela has identified both Columbian, and United States citizens as the perpetrators of the attack.



Nope. They identified Venezuelans, some of whom are living in exile.




Evidence, please. Everything I've read suggests otherwise, but I'd be curious to see what CNN has to say on the matter.

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There are a lot of Venezuelans who oppose maduro who have had to leave the country for their own safety. Almost 15% of the Venezuelan population has left the county in the past 15 years, the largest emigration of refugees in the Americas in history. 30% of the Venezuelan population say they would leave the country if they could.




Do you have any evidence that they are leaving because Maduro might have them killed? Last I checked, they were leaving because there wasn't adequate resources (due to the sanctions that the United States has placed on Venezuela, and some other factors).


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #25796347 - 02/07/19 01:40 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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koods said:
The only similarity between the drones used by the military to remotely attack targets and the drone used in the assasination attempt is the word “drone.” The cia/military drones are multi million dollar remote controlled aircraft only slightly smaller than manned aircraft that fire gps guided missiles. The the drone used in carcas was a $1000 quadcopter with some explosives taped to it.



Again, the US wouldn't announce an illegal assassinad to the world.  Of course we'd make it look like it wasn't us.

Quote:

koods said:
You can’t on one hand say that the use of drones points to the US, when the us drone program bears absolutely no resemblance to the clearly amateur attempt on maduro’s life with a quadcopter fitted with what is essentially a suicide vest.



You can if you have evidence that the US sponsored the attack.




If I had multimillion dollar drones that would provide clear evidence that I was behind the attack, I'd probably use cheaper drones. Just sayin. I think Koods thinks the CIA is fucking retarded. It's not. Intelligence is in the fucking name bro!




Again, the arrogance to think that Venezuelans couldn’t come up with the idea to strap some dynamite to a Walmar drone themselves. That’s obviously the ingenuity only an American is capable of.


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    #25796348 - 02/07/19 01:41 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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don't know if you realize this, but the petrodollar is a very serious component of United States' power over the rest of the world. I suppose we can argue about that point, if you would like, but you will surely lose that argument also.




I’m very aware people believe that. It is a rather silly thing to believe.


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    #25796350 - 02/07/19 01:42 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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There is nothing historically unusual for plots to overthrow a government to be hatched by the opposition in exile.




Missed this little tidbit. Now that's a good point.


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don't know if you realize this, but the petrodollar is a very serious component of United States' power over the rest of the world. I suppose we can argue about that point, if you would like, but you will surely lose that argument also.




I’m very aware people believe that. It is a rather silly thing to believe.




Why is that?


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 2
    #25796362 - 02/07/19 01:50 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I recommend you follow the link, and read the full page. It provides an excellent education on why the petrodollar is important.

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The petrodollar system elevated the U.S. dollar to the world's reserve currency and, through this status, the United States enjoys persistent trade deficits and is a global economic hegemony. The petrodollar system also provides the United States’ financial markets with a source of liquidity and foreign capital inflows through petrodollar "recycling." However, an explanation of the effects of petrodollars on the U.S. dollar requires a brief synopsis of the history of the petrodollar. (For more, see: Global Trade And The Currency Market and US-Saudi Relations: A Complex Scenario.)

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Since the most sought-after commodity in the world - oil - is priced in U.S. dollars, the petrodollar helped elevated the greenback as the world's dominant currency. In fact, according to the Bank for International Settlements (BIS) triennial survey, 88% of all foreign exchanges deals initiated in April 2016, involved the USD on one side [1]. With this status, the U.S. dollar enjoys what some have asserted to be an "exorbitant privilege" of perpetually financing its current account deficit by issuing dollar denominated assets at very low rates of interest as well as becoming a global economic hegemony.





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    #25796367 - 02/07/19 01:52 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Indeed.  You're killing it wooof!

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    #25796376 - 02/07/19 01:56 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Indeed.  You're killing it wooof!

:freewilly:




Came here to school, graduated to the high life
Trump players, Koods stars, addicted to the limelight
Hurricane High gravity got me feelin' like a champion
The shroomery never sleeps, better slip me an Ambien

:rockon:




*Pats himself on the back some more and acts like a douche*


Edited by Bigbadwooof (02/07/19 01:57 AM)


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