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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 2
    #25794757 - 02/06/19 12:10 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Exactly. The state sanctioned coup is underway and Trump is complicit.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: christopera] * 1
    #25794764 - 02/06/19 12:13 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Exactly. The state sanctioned coup is underway and Trump is complicit.




I wonder if they will succeed. South America is pretty hip to this shit at this point. I'm glad Bolivia called Trump out, if only for the record.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #25794870 - 02/06/19 01:05 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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I wonder if they will succeed. South America is pretty hip to this shit at this point. I'm glad Bolivia called Trump out, if only for the record.



In this case, I actually kind of doubt it.  Maduro still has more support than Guaidó, plus the support of most of his military.

It would take a bloody coup to force the Venezuelan people to give up the money they get from oil and just give it to multinational corporations.

I suspect the US is working with Guaidó supporters brew up a plan for a takeover, like maybe an assassination or some such tactic.  I guess we'll see if they come up with a successful plan.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25794876 - 02/06/19 01:07 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

What money are they getting? How has the oil revenue prevented them from starving?


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods] * 2
    #25794906 - 02/06/19 01:31 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Many of the food shortages are artificial and caused by the opposition.  I posted articles about this, but you don't seem to care about anything that isn't mainstream news propaganda.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods] * 1
    #25794911 - 02/06/19 01:34 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I think Venezuela’s a pecfect example of the resource curse. Things go well when prices are high but the economy’s left underdeveloped during lows. Not sure how it could have been avoided without long term economic thinking though (which is hard to incentivize a government to do).


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #25794926 - 02/06/19 01:41 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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I suspect the US is working with Guaidó supporters brew up a plan for a takeover, like maybe an assassination or some such tactic.  I guess we'll see if they come up with a successful plan.




The US has already played a role in an assassination attempt, via drone.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #25794934 - 02/06/19 01:44 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Evidence?


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods] * 4
    #25795006 - 02/06/19 02:13 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Evidence?




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The military arrested two of the drone pilots minutes after the attack as well as four other conspirators in the days following the attempt on Maduro’s life. Two names of terrorists involved with the plot have been released so far, they are Rayder Russo, a resident of Colombia, and Osman Delgado, a resident of the United States.

Earlier today, Venezuelan Attorney General, Tarek William Saab, said this list of suspectshas also grown since the attack to include another 19 individuals. According to the AG, many of these newly identified plotters are not actually in Venezuela so “The Public Ministry will send requests to the United States and Colombia for their cooperation to extradite those involved in this act.”




I suppose a lot of this comes down to who you believe, but there is loads of circumstantial evidence implicating the United States. We can go over it, if you would like, but you don't seem terribly interested in getting to the truth of the matter.

Here are some points to consider.

- I don't think it's terribly controversial to suggest that the United States wants Maduro killed.
- The United States is well known for using drone strikes to accomplish such things.
- The United States is well known for overthrowing governments in South America.
- The United States is well known for equipping local populations to do it's dirty work (ie Syria and Afghanistan).
- Columbia recently became a 'global partner' member of NATO, and is likely to be cooperating with the US.
- Venezuela has the largest oil reserves in the world, and won't allow American oil companies to profit from it.
- Venezuela doesn't trade oil in petrodollars.
- The United States is backing an illegitimate challenger to Maduro's leadership.
- Venezuela has identified both Columbian, and United States citizens as the perpetrators of the attack.
- Bolton's clipboard - indicating recent American military involvement in Columbia, or intended military involvement.



In light of all of this, you think the United States is inclined to take a 'hands off' approach to Venezuela? That's never been the US style, and it certainly isn't now. Trump has already talked about sending troops to Venezuela.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 2
    #25795127 - 02/06/19 03:08 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25795296 - 02/06/19 04:21 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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I wonder if they will succeed. South America is pretty hip to this shit at this point. I'm glad Bolivia called Trump out, if only for the record.



In this case, I actually kind of doubt it.  Maduro still has more support than Guaidó, plus the support of most of his military.

It would take a bloody coup to force the Venezuelan people to give up the money they get from oil and just give it to multinational corporations.

I suspect the US is working with Guaidó supporters brew up a plan for a takeover, like maybe an assassination or some such tactic.  I guess we'll see if they come up with a successful plan.



there were recent reports of british military training exercises off the coast of Venezuela. Brazil now has a fascist in charge who wants to fuck up Venezuela. Colombia is game.

But China and Russia got their opinions too. I think Russia sent some warships.

@BBW excellent post :thumbup:


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Tipote] * 1
    #25795307 - 02/06/19 04:28 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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But China and Russia got their opinions too. I think Russia sent some warships.

@BBW excellent post :thumbup:




Ty, buddy! :smile:

Tell me more about these warships.

I hate to say it, but I actually find myself rooting for Russia, and hoping Russia steps in and does the right thing.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #25795398 - 02/06/19 05:14 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

oh i think it was this article i was thinking of. its 2 months old though

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2018-12-06/russian-warplanes-navy-ships-to-visit-venezuela

Trump has got us looking to China and Russia for somekind of direction lol


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #25795462 - 02/06/19 05:39 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

A proxy engagement via USA (plus the Venezuelan oil). Throw in the recent withdrawal from an arms related treaty.

I would be surprised if Russia does anything but diplomatic banter ( mild military movements). Could be more arms races are upon us....the DOD loves it.


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    #25795500 - 02/06/19 06:03 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

A WikiLeaks document from 2017 reveals the people of Venezuela aren't the US's priority after all.


No wonder koods hates WikiLeaks - they keep proving him wrong.


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    #25795565 - 02/06/19 06:33 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Added that to my [/thread] post.

Do I win the internet yet?

I always wanted one.


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    #25795591 - 02/06/19 06:47 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Yes, you win.  :cool:


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    #25795614 - 02/06/19 06:53 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Yes, you win.  :cool:




:trophy:

I'd like to say thank you to Venezuela, for making this possible. Thank you to Koods, for your sharp whit, and clever arguments. Well played, bruh, well played. Props to Falcon, the Original Gangsta. To Putin, for general inspiration in all that I do. A shout out to my mom, and the nanny state that raised me.

Thank you!


Thank you!




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    #25795686 - 02/06/19 07:23 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

:highfive:


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    #25795781 - 02/06/19 08:15 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)



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