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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: christopera] * 1
    #25790276 - 02/04/19 01:23 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I never said the us is acting altruistically. That doesn’t change the fact that maduro and Chavez have destroyed their country and the opposition and resistance to him is legimate. Come on dude if any country has a legitimate opposition it’s one where the people are starving and inflation is a million percent.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods] * 2
    #25790302 - 02/04/19 01:31 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

But you've repeatedly ignored the realities of American participation in Argentina. Especially in that the American "intervention" is nothing more than a cash grab, it's not for Argentinians. So that we are there and picking winners and losers is in fact wrong. This isn't WWII where the world is bombed out of fucking existence. Outside of money and oil there's no reason to participate, yet there we are. That's the definition of imperialism.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: christopera]
    #25790325 - 02/04/19 01:39 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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But you've repeatedly ignored the realities of American participation in Argentina.




Don’t forget Chile.

And yes I’m ignoring it. It is clear that Venezuela is in its situation due to a failed ideology and a stunning level of mismanagement


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods] * 1
    #25790335 - 02/04/19 01:40 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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i honestly think koods knows he's wrong,




That’s funny because I know you are wrong.




Really? Prove it. So far, all you've done is a sort of pearl clutching outrage, as you tell me to butt out of non-American politics, and allow my government to overthrow yet another government, in the name of big moneyed interests. Why is the government sending thousands of troops to columbia? Columbia, where an assassination attempt on Maduro was just launched from.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods] * 1
    #25790346 - 02/04/19 01:45 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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That’s such obvious socialist propaganda. Man I just don’t get how people fall for this stuff.




Go on...

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Tipote said:We are presenting an alternative project. The solution that the world proposes to us, is not that. We know how to do it, and Cuba, Venezuela,




We know how to do what? Destroy an economy and starve the population. Venezuela is a disaster. What a bunch of garbage? Take the blinders off dude.




I think what we have here is a chicken and the egg sort of problem. Was Venezuelas economy fucked, before or after the US froze their assets, and imposed sanctions on them.

Hint: it was after.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods] * 2
    #25790363 - 02/04/19 01:49 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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But you've repeatedly ignored the realities of American participation in Argentina.




Don’t forget Chile.

And yes I’m ignoring it. It is clear that Venezuela is in its situation due to a failed ideology and a stunning level of mismanagement




Failed in the eyes of capitalists who want to privatize a potentially huge petroleum profit center.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #25790369 - 02/04/19 01:51 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Hint: you’re wrong.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: christopera] * 2
    #25790372 - 02/04/19 01:52 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Failed in the eyes of capitalists who want to privatize a potentially huge petroleum profit center.




The largest in the world.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: christopera]
    #25790373 - 02/04/19 01:52 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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But you've repeatedly ignored the realities of American participation in Argentina.




Don’t forget Chile.

And yes I’m ignoring it. It is clear that Venezuela is in its situation due to a failed ideology and a stunning level of mismanagement




Failed in the eyes of capitalists who want to privatize a potentially huge petroleum profit center.




Failed in the eyes of anyone who opens them. Venezuela is a failed state like no other in the past half century, aside from Zimbabwe and Somalia.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods] * 1
    #25790376 - 02/04/19 01:52 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Hint: you’re wrong.




Prove it. I've laid out a pretty clear line of reasoning. You've responded with a bunch of shit posts like this one.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 2
    #25790388 - 02/04/19 01:56 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Russia’s billions at risk after US puts sanctions on Venezuela’s state oil company.

Yet another reason the US might be interested in influencing Venezuelan politics.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #25790392 - 02/04/19 01:58 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Hint: you’re wrong.




Prove it. I've laid out a pretty clear line of reasoning. You've responded with a bunch of shit posts like this one.




No his facts are wrong. Venezuela has had a hard time feeding its people since 2010. Five years before any kind of sanctions.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods]
    #25790394 - 02/04/19 01:59 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Having witnessed a change in the parties and persons leading  this and other countries several times by popular election, often in times of prosperity, with people citing 'I felt like it was time for a change' as the reason for their vote...

... I find the likelyhood that the people of Venezuela, through crisis after crisis, in free and fair elections have decided to stay with the same regime for 20 years to be very low.

For me the burden of proof is on those pushing this narrative. It seems much more plausible to me that the Chavez/Maduro regime has clung to power through undemocratic means.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 2
    #25790399 - 02/04/19 02:01 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

The U.S. isn't just interested, it's happening in plain sight. The diversified State mouthpiece isn't even denying it, they are just manufacturing other more reasonable explanations for why we should be doing this.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Thundermuscle75]
    #25790405 - 02/04/19 02:03 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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... I find the likelyhood that the people of Venezuela, through crisis after crisis, in free and fair elections have decided to stay with the same regime for 20 years to be very low.




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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods] * 1
    #25790412 - 02/04/19 02:05 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Except the election has nothing do with the U.S. deciding to back somebody.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods] * 1
    #25790422 - 02/04/19 02:12 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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i honestly think koods knows he's wrong,




That’s funny because I know you are wrong.



I didn't say that, wooofie did. But I hoped he was right.

What specifically am I wrong about?

How do you rate the intercept as a source, koods? I recommend the podcast, some great reporting on Venezuela.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Tipote]
    #25790432 - 02/04/19 02:16 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

It’s that Glenn Greenwald? He’s an activist no longer a journalist.


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    #25790439 - 02/04/19 02:19 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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I never said the us is acting altruistically. That doesn’t change the fact that maduro and Chavez have destroyed their country and the opposition and resistance to him is legimate. Come on dude if any country has a legitimate opposition it’s one where the people are starving and inflation is a million percent.



you keep saying this and we keep saying it doesn't mean we think Maduro is the fucking bomb but you can't just dismiss the economic warfare of the US against Venezuela. Maduro has plenty of flaws and Venezuelas monetary policy among other things was appalling..but you keep clinging to this as though it justifies a US-backed coup and possible invasion. Another liberal beating the drum for war.

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Take the blinders off dude.



I'd say the same to you. You seem to ignore why there is heavy investment in the idea that maduro/socialism is bad/dysfunctional. You seem to ignore decades of the variations of the same story over and over and over again in South America. Look at Brazil, now fascist, opening up the Amazon for destruction - for profit. Look at Venezuelas resources. If you accept its not altruistic, then why are you beating the drums of war? Did you also support the invasion of Iraq?


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    #25790447 - 02/04/19 02:22 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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It’s that Glenn Greenwald? He’s an activist no longer a journalist.




Yes he co founded it with Jeremy Scahill. You seem to think that journalism should be so neutral that it imposes symmetry when there is none.

Its independent media. You dismiss these things before you even listen. Jeremy Scahill's record speaks for itself. What do you favour instead?


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