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US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" * 1
    #25766571 - 01/24/19 11:28 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I'm surprised no one started a thread about a potential coup happening in Venezuela, but Donald Trump has already made it clear he supports a self appointed president over the elected president.

President Trump: "Today (23 Jan), I am officially recognizing the President of the Venezuelan National Assembly, Juan Guaido, as the Interim President of Venezuela."

Mark Sleboda:  "The US seems set on sparking a civil war in Venezuela. Declaring their own Venezuelan President. Totally not meddling."


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #25767264 - 01/25/19 09:53 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I guess the US forcing its way on other countries has now become such standard a practice that it doesn't even warrant a discussion anymore, but Russia placing some political click bait ads on Facebook that may or may not have influenced anyone is worthy of a cold war?

Wow, we've sunk pretty low as a country.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #25767378 - 01/25/19 10:33 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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I guess the US forcing its way on other countries has now become such standard a practice that it doesn't even warrant a discussion anymore, but Russia placing some political click bait ads on Facebook that may or may not have influenced anyone is worthy of a cold war?

Wow, we've sunk pretty low as a country.




:lolsy:

How Bout the 22 million illegal immigrants without documents?

We are being invaded and you are on about Facebook ads.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: XUL]
    #25767415 - 01/25/19 10:49 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Would you please stop using that debunked number?

And what do immigrants have to do with how great our country is?


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25767418 - 01/25/19 10:50 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Let's let 22 million Russians into the country.

Immigration diversity!


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: XUL]
    #25767433 - 01/25/19 10:53 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

:dudewtf:


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25767441 - 01/25/19 10:56 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Facebook ads v. 22 million immigrants from the 3rd world.

Priorities


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: XUL]
    #25767466 - 01/25/19 11:06 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I'm the one who's been saying Facebook ads aren't important.  :facepalm:

But supporting foreign coups is.  And I think it's bad policy.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25767517 - 01/25/19 11:25 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

How about a foreign invasion?

I'm more worried about that.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: XUL]
    #25767539 - 01/25/19 11:37 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I think I've read that illegal crossings into the U.S. are at something like a 10 year low?

Edit: An over twenty year low. NPR has reported that border arrests are currently at a 46 year low.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25767650 - 01/25/19 12:41 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

The real problem is that there is no legitimately elected president of Venezuela.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: XUL]
    #25767744 - 01/25/19 01:18 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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How about a foreign invasion?

I'm more worried about that.



So am I.  Trump also said a foreign invasion is a possibility:

Is Trump really leaving military option open for Venezuela?
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On Wednesday, the president said "all options are on the table, every one."

"Strong ones and the less-than-strong ones,” Trump told reporters before a meeting with Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu. "And you know what I mean by strong."




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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Baby_Hitler] * 1
    #25767747 - 01/25/19 01:18 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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The real problem is that there is no legitimately elected president of Venezuela.



By that standard, there is no legitimately elected President of the United States either.  :shrug:


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25768527 - 01/25/19 07:00 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Lol, based on the electoral college?

The last election is widely considered a sham.

Apparently Russia is backing Maduro and allegedly providing him with security. Smells like world powers jockeying for control of Venezuelas oil reserves to me.

Don't know that I would expect a wildly different policy from any of our recent presidents.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4993900


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Thundermuscle75]
    #25768617 - 01/25/19 08:01 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I would totally support them using 5 billion to destroy all the tunnels that are under the current border fences...walls...whatever he chooses to call it...


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Thundermuscle75]
    #25769077 - 01/26/19 12:18 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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The real problem is that there is no legitimately elected president of Venezuela.



By that standard, there is no legitimately elected President of the United States either.  :shrug:



Lol, based on the electoral college?



Based on the DNC cheating.  Based on Trump getting fewer popular votes.  Based on foreign political click bait ads (according to some).

How do you think the Venezuelan elections were less legitimate?


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25769214 - 01/26/19 01:43 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Lack of a free press, for starters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Venezuela


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #25769243 - 01/26/19 02:08 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Lack of a free press, for starters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Venezuela



That's according to Reporters Without Borders, which is an organization funded by the CIA.
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Officially devoted to "freedom of the press", RWB is best known for its smear campaigns against Washington’s political foes like Cuba and Venezuela. RWB has recently added five new names to its "evil guys list", who also happen to fit in with Washington’s destabilization agenda.




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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25769345 - 01/26/19 04:18 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

At least Trump supports the legitimately elected leader in Saudi Arabia right?

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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: vinsue] * 3
    #25769470 - 01/26/19 06:34 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I understand the need to act in Venezuela. The country has seen weeks of violent protests, the embattled president only has 17% approval rating, and government forces have been gassing and maiming civilians in the streets.

Oh wait, sorry, that's France.

In related news, Elliott Abrams, the man who supported deathsquads in Latin America during the Reagan presidency, has been selected to oversee "democracy" efforts in Venezuela.


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