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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #25982944 - 05/09/19 11:05 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

:awesomenod:


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #25988281 - 05/12/19 03:20 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

hey koods, do you think sanctions are a good idea considering they will result in the death of civilians?


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #25988289 - 05/12/19 03:23 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Seriously - what the fuck?  Rachael used to be great, until she became a Russiagate conspiracy theorist, followed by a leading war monger.




I can't fucking stand Rachel Maddow. All of the supposed left wing new casters/late night shows have become corporatist pieces of shit. Tucker Carlson can get away with giving someone like Tulsi Gabbard a few softballs, because he isn't on a channel where it will have any impact. Fox News voters are going to vote Republican. They aren't going to vote for Gabbard. Morning Joe even gave Bernie a bit of positive coverage, when it was evident that he was going to lose. It's good for their brand.

Bill Maher is a piece of shit too. I wish John Stewart would reclaim the daily show. He was great! Colbert was much better in character too. Now he's a fucking hack.




strongly agree. Fuck rachel, fuck bill maher.

I do like trevor noah's standup better than his role on the daily show (and his book is a good read), I feel like he just falls for establishment talking points. I watched a painful interview with "mayor pete". bleh


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25989002 - 05/13/19 12:03 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

My question is:  IF Juan Guaido was elected legally, there can be no coup.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25993363 - 05/14/19 09:49 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

What is this business about 'invoked the Constitution to assume the presidency' junk I keep reading?  Anyone?

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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Tipote]
    #25993382 - 05/14/19 09:58 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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hey koods, do you think sanctions are a good idea considering they will result in the death of civilians?




No the sanctions aren’t a good idea. But they aren’t responsible for the current situation.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: relic]
    #25993473 - 05/14/19 11:15 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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What is this business about 'invoked the Constitution to assume the presidency' junk I keep reading?  Anyone?




honestly, the whole deal is pretty convoluted.  I'm tired right now, but if Fal or koods don't elaborate, I'll try a write-up tomorrow night


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: relic]
    #25993683 - 05/15/19 01:50 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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What is this business about 'invoked the Constitution to assume the presidency' junk I keep reading?  Anyone?



Watch this video from 26:42 - 34:00.  Not only will this tell you what happened in Venezuela, but at the same time you'll also see what a liar John Oliver is (for anyone following the RT vs. Last Week Tonight thread).



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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25993697 - 05/15/19 02:08 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Nice propaganda piece


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #25993865 - 05/15/19 06:31 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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honestly, the whole deal is pretty convoluted.  I'm tired right now, but if Fal or koods don't elaborate, I'll try a write-up tomorrow night




Been a while.  Hope you're doing well, man.


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What is this business about 'invoked the Constitution to assume the presidency' junk I keep reading?  Anyone?



Watch this video from 26:42 - 34:00.  Not only will this tell you what happened in Venezuela, but at the same time you'll also see what a liar John Oliver is (for anyone following the RT vs. Last Week Tonight thread).






Much appreciated, friend.  Playing catch up lately.

I see this business about their constitution referenced frequently but never with explanation.

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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods] * 1
    #25994140 - 05/15/19 10:31 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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hey koods, do you think sanctions are a good idea considering they will result in the death of civilians?




No the sanctions aren’t a good idea. But they aren’t responsible for the current situation.




This is empirically false.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25994328 - 05/15/19 01:02 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Watch this video from 26:42 - 34:00.  Not only will this tell you what happened in Venezuela, but at the same time you'll also see what a liar John Oliver is (for anyone following the RT vs. Last Week Tonight thread).





Nice propaganda piece



Can you actually make a reasoned argument like the video does, or is "DURRR, that's propaganda" all you got?

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the sanctions aren’t responsible for the current situation.



This is empirically false.



The Ecstatic is correct.  We now know the sanctions were directly responsible for the deaths of at least 40,000 people.

Economic Sanctions as Collective Punishment: The Case of Venezuela
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Executive Summary

This paper looks at some of the most important impacts of the economic sanctions imposed on Venezuela by the US government since August of 2017. It finds that most of the impact of these sanctions has not been on the government but on the civilian population.

The sanctions reduced the public’s caloric intake, increased disease and mortality (for both adults and infants), and displaced millions of Venezuelans who fled the country as a result of the worsening economic depression and hyperinflation. They exacerbated Venezuela’s economic crisis and made it nearly impossible to stabilize the economy, contributing further to excess deaths. All of these impacts disproportionately harmed the poorest and most vulnerable Venezuelans.

We find that the sanctions have inflicted, and increasingly inflict, very serious harm to human life and health, including an estimated more than 40,000 deaths from 2017–2018; and that these sanctions would fit the definition of collective punishment of the civilian population as described in both the Geneva and Hague international conventions, to which the US is a signatory. They are also illegal under international law and treaties which the US has signed, and would appear to violate US law as well.




Koods, can you actually make a reasoned argument like the research paper, or is "DURRR, nuh uh" all you got?


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #25994750 - 05/15/19 05:45 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)



Not to mention lifting the ban on oil exports in 2014-

I wanna hear what koods thinks about Chavez giving over 100,000 American homes free hesting oil


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Yesum]
    #25994836 - 05/15/19 06:35 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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I wanna hear what koods thinks about Chavez giving over 100,000 American homes free hesting oil



He probably thinks it's propaganda.  :lol:


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Yesum]
    #26120310 - 07/20/19 05:29 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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Not to mention lifting the ban on oil exports in 2014-




Interesting link thanks for posting  :thumbup:


So I've been trying to work out why U.S. oil production has gone through the roof in the last decade while demand worldwide has been dropping and landed back in this thread.
I then wondered, if it's the worlds largest producer why it also needs to be the second largest importer?
Then I was wondering, if Russia and Iran agreed to limit their production to stabilise prices roughly 2 years ago, this makes the increased U.S. production look even ummmm greedier more senseless.
Then I looked at where China's oil comes from and thought about Trump's sanctions against them.
Which then had me thinking of Venezuala's oil/stability problem...

:stanhopefacepalm:

Now I have to go for a long walk and try think about something else

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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Stable Genius]
    #26121137 - 07/21/19 06:29 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

True. I'm with ya.


I like how the Florida Marquis calls him "random guy named Juan"  :lol:


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Yesum]
    #26156128 - 08/27/19 08:35 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

https://orinocotribune.com/military-deserters-protest-again-in-cucuta-guaido-is-not-paying-his-dues

Juan Guaido’s military coup unit is on strike because he isn’t paying them :lmafo:


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26156143 - 08/27/19 08:42 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I'll bet if they get their money it comes from the US taxpayer.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26156586 - 08/28/19 06:50 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Or from the black budget the CIA has from front companies and selling drugs, but yeah definitely.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #26156588 - 08/28/19 06:53 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

There aren't any sanctions on revolutionary forces. We reserve sanctions for elected governments.


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