qman said:

bodhisatta said:

Oh no people would congregate around prosperity. The horror. Geography controlled by government puts people under undue economic freedom and stress.

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How many poor people could migrate into the US without affecting a first world standard of living for US citizens?

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life is good said:

pure fear,
pure hate
and pure insanity.
is not talking.

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life is good said:

Stop thinking about it in terms of those labels.

Hate is hate.
Fear is fear.
Insanity is insanity.

Stop spreading those.

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life is good said:

Fear and madness and hatred are intricately close to one another.

When you spread hatred, which is what you are doing, you are also spreading fear, and you are also spreading insanity. 

It is not possible to reason with someone who is full of any of these -- and you are spreading all three.

You are speaking words -- those words matter.

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life is good said:

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Be clear -- everything done out of fear, will create more hatred and fear.



You are safe in your home but you are also safe outside of your home.



if you become afraid of going outside, of going anywhere, you are in a wrong view of reality.

The three are in a cycle, and support and re-inforce each other.

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life is good said:

Hatred is a worse crime than any other.

Do you not think hatred, hate speech, and hate crimes have gone up dramatically since the latest president?

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life is good said:

Don't fucking call what is literally  pure hate, pure fear, and pure insanity American.

Get the FUCK out of here with that chicken shit.

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life is good said:

You spread hatred to enough places,

It will all be gone. All of it.

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life is good said:

Hatred is insanity, and pure fear. It erodes at the health, and happiness of every person and thing it affects.

Stop spreading it.

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life is good said:

'I wonder'

if you can stop spreading hatred, fear and insanity.

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life is good said:

No outrage.

Your gig.

Stop. Spreading, hate, fear and insanity.

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life is good said:

You are spreading insanity and fear and hatred.


If you do so calmly, this doesn't make it better.


Do you deny that you are spreading hatred and fear?

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life is good said:

You are posting a picture of someone who said,

It is okay to grab women by their pussy.

And you are supporting it.

Relentlessly.

Fuck.

Off.

Stop.

Spreading Hate.

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life is good said:

You are a walking billboard for hate.

you are spreading fear and hate.

Yes, get the fuck out of America.

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bodhisatta said:

qman said:

bodhisatta said:

Oh no people would congregate around prosperity. The horror. Geography controlled by government puts people under undue economic freedom and stress.

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How many poor people could migrate into the US without affecting a first world standard of living for US citizens?

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Probably a fuckload. But if they're poor how would they live here or get here anyway. If poor people could just go move where it was prosperous we wouldn't have ghettos and hoods.

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Well, I have news for you, when a first world nations brings in poor people, it lowers the standard of living for the native citizens.

Yeah, if everyone moved to "prosperous" areas, world poverty would be solved.   It appears you have solved human suffering.

bodhisatta said:

maybe some peoples quality of life should go down and some people's should go up. I make 40-45K a year on paper, pretty meager. But I'm happy I can afford pretty much anything I want. I make plenty of money on the side too. Some months I make just as much as I do at work for myself. I feel like I have plenty of room to be charitable, and in fact give or do work for those less fortunate. Our society is far too greedy and far too lazy to be charitable though so maybe you have a point we would let the poor drag us down for sure.

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koods said:

You’re free to move elsewhere

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Was not sure what thread this should go in, as it did not seem to be about the Left or the Right explicitly
then found this thread

1 in 5 Canadian youths not sure what happened in the Holocaust, survey suggests

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One in five young people in Canada either hasn't heard of the Holocaust or isn't sure what it is.

That's the conclusion from a new survey released ahead of International Holocaust Remembrance Day on Sunday.

Historians believe the new data should be a wake-up call on how the systematic murder of six million Jews in Europe is taught in Canadian schools — and remembered more broadly.

"One of the surprising things was the awareness gap between millennials and older respondents …it's shocking," said historian Naomi Azrieli, CEO of the Azrieli Foundation, the charity behind the survey.

"I think older Canadians are more likely to have known a survivor or been around in World War Two," she told CBC News. "With each generation, it becomes less living history and more remote."

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In Britain, a new survey by the Holocaust Memorial Day Trust found that one in 20 adults in Britain do not believe the Holocaust took place.

The survey of more than 2,000 people released Sunday also found that nearly two-thirds of respondents either did not know how many Jews had been murdered or greatly underestimated the number killed during the Holocaust.

Chief executive Olivia Marks-Woldman described the results as "widespread ignorance and even denial."

While there are debates among historians about exactly when the Holocaust began, the mass killing of Jews in the Second World War started in 1941 with the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union, according to Yad Vashem, the World Holocaust Remembrance Center, and continued until the Nazis were defeated in 1945.

Held on Jan. 27 annually following a United Nations resolution, International Holocaust Remembrance Day coincides with the day Auschwitz-Birkenau, the largest complex of Nazi death camps, was liberated by Soviet forces in 1945.

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Among other points, the Canadian survey found:

• Nearly six in 10 Canadians (57 per cent) said fewer people seem to care about the Holocaust than they used to.

• 15 per cent of Canadian adults and more than one fifth of Canadians under age 34 (22 per cent) haven't heard about or are not sure if they have heard about the Holocaust.
• Nearly half of Canadian respondents (49 per cent) couldn't name a single concentration camp. That's roughly equal to the U.S., where 45 per cent couldn't name one in a similar survey last year. There were over 40,000 concentration camps and ghettos in Europe during the Holocaust.
• Nearly one quarter of all Canadians (23 per cent) believe substantially fewer than six million Jews were killed (two million or fewer) during the Holocaust, while another 24 per cent were unsure of how many were killed.

• Few Canadians believe there are many neo-Nazis in Canada today, while nearly half think there are many in the U.S. In fact, on a per capita basis, the two countries have roughly the same number of neo-Nazis, Azrieli said.

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With offices in Toronto, Montreal and Israel, the Azrieli Foundation commissioned Schoen Consulting to carry out the survey based on 1,100 interviews with Canadians over age 18 in September 2018. The margin of error was plus or minus three per cent.

While Azrieli was disappointed by the lack of knowledge about the Holocaust, especially among younger Canadians, she said the survey also offered plenty reasons for optimism.

More than 80 per cent of respondents believe all students should learn about the Holocaust in school and 85 per cent said it's crucial to keep teaching about the Holocaust so it doesn't happen again.

Azrieli wants to see a more comprehensive approach to how the Holocaust is taught in schools, potentially involving special professional development days for teachers to become more acquainted with its history.
With only around 5,000 Holocaust survivors alive in Canada today to tell their own stories about the mass killings, she said it's more crucial than ever that schools and other institutions develop strong programs to teach the subject.

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False beliefs

The need for better Holocaust education is especially intense due to rising anti-Semitic sentiment in much of the world, said Azrieli, whose family survived the Holocaust.

Since last year's Holocaust Remembrance Day, an 85-year-old French Holocaust survivor, Mireille Knoll, was fatally stabbed in Paris and 11 Jews were gunned down in a Pittsburgh synagogue during Shabbat services, the deadliest attack on Jews in U.S. history.

Human Rights First, a U.S. organization, recalled those killings and warned that "today's threats do not come solely from the fringe."

"In places such as Hungary and Poland, once proudly democratic nations, government leaders are travelling the road to authoritarianism," said Ira Forman, the group's senior adviser for combating anti-Semitism. "As they do so, they are distorting history to spin a fable about their nations and the Holocaust."

In Canada, hate crimes rose to an all-time high in 2017, according to a Statistics Canada report released in November. For hate crimes based on religion, Jews were the most targeted group in Canada, with more than 300 incidents reported to police. 

Nearly one-third of survey respondents believed Canada had an open immigration policy for Jewish refugees fleeing Europe.

In fact, Canada had "one of the worst immigration records in the world" related to Jewish people, "worse than the U.S. or U.K.," Azrieli said.

Canada allowed only 5,000 Jewish refugees into the country while allowing nearly 2,000 Nazi war criminals to immigrate to Canada after the Second World War, the Azrieli Foundation reported.

In the 1930s and 1940s, Canadian border guards had a saying about Jewish refugees, she said: "None is too many."

Survey respondents thought Canada had been more welcoming toward Jewish refugees fleeing the Nazis, as they considered Canada to be generally more open toward immigrants than other nations, given the country's current policies.

"That was a very interesting finding of this survey," said Azrieli, "And an important indication that our own history is not well known to most Canadians."

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In the 1930s and 1940s, Canadian border guards had a saying about Jewish refugees, she said: "None is too many."

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ballsalsa said:

I've been hearing variations on this theme recently, and it's a strange thing to me.
Maybe it's because I grew up in neighborhood with a high percentage jewish population, but when I was in school, we had to read a book about the holocaust pretty much every year, starting in the 3rd or 4th grade.  It was so pervasive that I actually used to think it was desensitizing.

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We did a yearly Remembrance Day contest for art class
think the Legion or something put it on?
but basically it was an opportunity for the art teacher to give everyone a piece of paper and the contest rules
then sit at their desk and do other thangs while the kids squirreled away
in my adolescent resentment, by the 9th grade it reached a point of me not drawing anything on my paper
and only telling my closest friend my plans, which he mirrored by putting a single dot on his paper
we then presented ours to the class together as the 1st second and 2nd second of the Hiroshima bombing, a cataclysmic loss of life in a blinding flash of light
teacher only gave me 50% on my project that year, bitch.


we learned -about- the holocaust killing millions of Jews at a time when we were too naive to fully fathom millions as a number of people
that may have been due to growing up in sparsely populated prairies tho
we also had an exclusively Jewish cemetery outside one of the communities, which was really far more neat and generational than captured my attention at the time

had bad stretches tho--having German in my heritage had me make friends with an Irish/German kid
and when we got our hands on a German to English dictionary we tried to figure out how to say "goddamn jews"
because kids would already treat us like shit for being German like Hitler
tho Hitler was Austrian (?)
and it built up misguided bullying-resentments

kids will target kids for anything

Watched Schindler's List for 10th grade English
while simultaneously trying to read Mein Kampf (of my own volition) for 10th grade history
wanted to do a presentation on how fucked up Hitler was, but the book was a fucking mess to try and glean anything meaningful from
which, suppose, reinforces the crazy aspect
started taking Drama in grade 10 and never had to draw a poster again

as an aside, also dressed up as Jesus for Halloween in the tenth grade
then never really dressed up again for the holiday since then

shitty small town kid rebellions at their best