Duncan Rowhl said:

At risk of being entirely obvious, look at what the emergence and popularity of virtual reality devices are suggesting.

Everything is pointing towards the understanding and involvement in the fabrication of worlds.

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Benevolent force, power of love, expression of god, what you call it, AI god, we've built quantum computers and are in a quantum computer now.

Some people use social media, some people don't use it, this conditions us from when we are born, our circumstances condition us. This isn't evil, but we should be aware of the system to have something solid to focus on to discover our true nature. This system shows us what we are not which is a gift to explore what we are and are not.

There's a strong pull away from our feelings of anxiety. Yeah.

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akira_akuma said:

the brain is already a quantum computer.

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redgreenvines said:

brain does not compute - this is a basic fact: brain associates sensory input with memory expanding the memory - some association includes mental activity and behavior such as recollection, ideation, communication and action.


even when we review computations and equations, we do it by experiencing associations of examples, and making syntheses that are consistent with existing related associations. 

there is no math processor as such, however, we do have a sense of timing (cerebellum), and musical skills (temporal lobe) which can occasionally do numerical math instantly as in the case of savants.  Needless to say it is rare that brain biology lines up that way.

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A quantum computer is an object or noun, ie. the hardware is static.

The brain is not static, nerve cells live and die and are replaced and connections are constantly being rewired, and it is also linked to the body, not just thru nerve impulses, but through hormones, blood sugar levels, other mineral levels and as we have recently learned by the microbiome in the gut.

When it come to "the mind" again language has turned a verb into a noun, as 'mind' is almost or all, pure process, or processes, or processes processing.

So it seems to me the current popular metaphor of mind / brain as computer or 'quantum computer', may generate more confusion than clarification. But regardless of my view many seem to enjoy the rough metaphor.

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Orch OR was harshly criticized from its inception, as the brain was considered too "warm, wet, and noisy" for seemingly delicate quantum processes.. However, evidence has now shown warm quantum coherence in plant photosynthesis, bird brain navigation, our sense of smell, and brain microtubules. The recent discovery of warm temperature quantum vibrations in microtubules inside brain neurons by the research group led by Anirban Bandyopadhyay, PhD, at the National Institute of Material Sciences in Tsukuba, Japan (and now at MIT), corroborates the pair's theory and suggests that EEG rhythms also derive from deeper level microtubule vibrations. In addition, work from the laboratory of Roderick G. Eckenhoff, MD, at the University of Pennsylvania, suggests that anesthesia, which selectively erases consciousness while sparing non-conscious brain activities, acts via microtubules in brain neurons.

"The origin of consciousness reflects our place in the universe, the nature of our existence. Did consciousness evolve from complex computations among brain neurons, as most scientists assert? Or has consciousness, in some sense, been here all along, as spiritual approaches maintain?" ask Hameroff and Penrose in the current review. "This opens a potential Pandora's Box, but our theory accommodates both these views, suggesting consciousness derives from quantum vibrations in microtubules, protein polymers inside brain neurons, which both govern neuronal and synaptic function, and connect brain processes to self-organizing processes in the fine scale, 'proto-conscious' quantum structure of reality."

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/01/140116085105.htm

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Rahz said:

redgreenvines said:

brain does not compute - this is a basic fact: brain associates sensory input with memory expanding the memory - some association includes mental activity and behavior such as recollection, ideation, communication and action.


even when we review computations and equations, we do it by experiencing associations of examples, and making syntheses that are consistent with existing related associations. 

there is no math processor as such, however, we do have a sense of timing (cerebellum), and musical skills (temporal lobe) which can occasionally do numerical math instantly as in the case of savants.  Needless to say it is rare that brain biology lines up that way.

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Compute - to determine, especially by mathematics.

Your reply seems almost as stunningly presumptuous as your ideas on the subconscious.

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