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Re: Liberal Democrats continually poison the black community [Re: XUL] * 5
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XUL said:
shivas.wisdom said:
You do realize this quote applies to you and your actions in creating this very thread?



I am not a liberal, which is who he is talking about.

I am a conservative.


Malcolm X was talking about how the white man uses the black community as a political tool, but doesn't actually care about solving their problems. The reason white liberals have done more damage than white conservatives, is because they have been much more successful in convincing the black community that the white man has their best interests at heart.

What you are doing right now, feigning concern for the black community as a political tool to attack white liberals, is the exact behaviour that Malcolm X is talking about in the quote you supplied. You don't actually care about helping the black community; this is wildly apparent to everyone here who has seen your incredibly shallow analysis that doesn't make it past the policies you already oppose, and parading around the handful of black pundits that say the same conservative talking points. White liberals might be better at this, but liberal/conservative ideology is irrelevant to the practice.


Here, have another Malcolm X quote, on me:

Quote:
The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way: the liberal is more deceitful than the conservative. The liberal is more hypocritical than the conservative. Both want power, but the white liberal is the one who has perfected the art of posing as the Negro's friend and benefactor; and by winning the friendship, allegiance, and support of the Negro, the white liberal is able to use the Negro as a pawn or tool in this political "football game" that is constantly raging between the white liberals and white conservatives.



How about another one that touches on what he thinks about the likes of Kanye West and Jess Lee Peterson:

Quote:
Politically the American Negro is nothing but a football and the white liberals control this mentally dead ball through tricks of tokenism: false promises of integration and civil rights. In this profitable game of deceiving and exploiting the political politician of the American Negro, those white liberals have the willing cooperation of the Negro civil rights leaders. These "leaders" sell out our people for just a few crumbs of token recognition and token gains. These "leaders" are satisfied with token victories and token progress because they themselves are nothing but token leaders.





In fact, here's the whole speech. Educate yourself.


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Re: Liberal Democrats continually poison the black community [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
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I think some black culture doesn't want to be integrated.  They seem just fine doing their own thing. 

What does OP suggest as an alternative?  No welfare?  I think the GOP just tries to save money by cutting social programs.  When in reality they could do a lot to curb spending elsewhere.  Corporate welfare, sending money to negatively behaving nations, welfare to weapons dealers, all the shit that GOP gets a big old hard one for.


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Re: Liberal Democrats continually poison the black community [Re: Morel Guy]
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Of course the one's I have known or lived next to...work!

The one dude he just did kitchen work and had to use HUD services.  Kitchen work doesn't pay enough.  The lady I knew, she worked a factory job and that paid better.

The dude that did kitchen work was a big stoner.  So go figure he wasn't into factory work.  He was also in the Navy.

I think Republicans have this slanted idea and point of view of what your average black citizen is.  That all black people are ghetto or abnormal.  That it's an epidemic of welfare.  It's not.  Welfare only tries to make it possible to survive in the bottom of the economy.  It doesn't raise up anymore than around poverty.

At the same time GOP does things to cut spending on public education.  THIS is the biggest issue!  A public that is uneducated is unable to raise above and compete.  Which is odd too, cause GOP tends to be less educated. 

I have known GOP elites that favor private educations.  Just because it's trendy to have exclusive social groups.  The education is perceived as favorable.


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Re: Liberal Democrats continually poison the black community [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
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Who the hell would want to live in or next to a minority community that gets cut off from welfare, food stamps, SS disability and other social programs?  Talk about a danger zone.

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Re: Liberal Democrats continually poison the black community [Re: qman]
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It would require some very serious efforts from private donors. 

I think OP just likes to follow GOP trends, without question.


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Re: Liberal Democrats continually poison the black community [Re: Morel Guy]
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More of xuls extreme identity politics


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Re: Liberal Democrats continually poison the black community [Re: XUL] * 2
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XUL said:
Welfare needs reformed and the family needs to be emphasized.


Red states are the welfare queens.

That's right, conservative voters use a disproportionate amount of federal welfare funding than their liberal counterparts, by a LOT! In fact, California tax payers are keeping Kansas alive.

What do you have to say for cornbread eating, apple pie making, welfare using, Conservative America?

As I've said before, you really need to look at corporate welfare, if you're going to bitch about welfare. There may be problems with other welfare programs, but by and large, corporate America is raiding America's coffers.

This is from that article:

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Well, all of this tough budget talk from Republicans got me thinking about the central: who really benefits from government spending? If you listen to Rush Limbaugh, you might think it was those blue states, packed with damn hippie socialist liberals, sipping their lattes and providing free abortions for bored, horny teenagers.

The truth? Not so fast, Michele Bachmann.

As it turns out, it is red states that are overwhelmingly the Welfare Queen States. Yes, that's right. Red States — the ones governed by folks who think government is too big and spending needs to be cut — are a net drain on the economy, taking in more federal spending than they pay out in federal taxes. They talk a good game, but stick Blue States with the bill.



The article also shows, dollar for dollar, how much federal spending each state receives, and how much they pay in federal tax money.


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Re: Liberal Democrats continually poison the black community [Re: XUL] * 1
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XUL said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
First of all (as has been explained to you countless times) Democrats were conservatives until the early 1900's.

Second, "white privilege" is just a term describing the fact that whites on average get treated better than blacks.  We've proven this to you countless times (here's one famous example):



If we stop calling this special treatment "white privilege", how does that change anything?


I never conceded to any of your points. In fact, I could say I have proven things to you a thousand times, but I am smart enough to know when a person actually concedes.


Are you joking?  An argument isn't won when the other side concedes.  :facepalm:  It's won when one side presentes evidence supporting their point, while the other side is unable to refute that evidence.

If you've presented evidence to me that I haven't refuted with evidence, then I lose, whether I concede or not.

That's how it works my friend.  Sorry to burst your bubble, but you've lost an AWFUL lot of arguments here.  :shrug:


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: Liberal Democrats continually poison the black community [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
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shivas.wisdom said:
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The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way: the liberal is more deceitful than the conservative. The liberal is more hypocritical than the conservative. Both want power, but the white liberal is the one who has perfected the art of posing as the Negro's friend and benefactor; and by winning the friendship, allegiance, and support of the Negro, the white liberal is able to use the Negro as a pawn or tool in this political "football game" that is constantly raging between the white liberals and white conservatives.



What an excellent quote. In this quote, I see another message, that is applicable today:

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The liberal politician differs from the conservative politician only in one way: the liberal is more deceitful than the conservative. The liberal is more hypocritical than the conservative. Both want power, but the liberal politician is the one who has perfected the art of posing as the poor/working man's friend and benefactor; and by winning the friendship, allegiance, and support of the poor/working man, the liberal politician is able to use the poor/working man as a pawn or tool in this political "football game" that is constantly raging between the liberals politicians and  conservative politicians.


This is how I see American politics today. That is not to take away from Malcolm X's message, which is also still very true. Most Democratic politicians are lying, power hungry, garbage. I would say they lie far more than Republican politicians, and if they didn't, this country would be much greater than it is. This is why I didn't vote for Clinton.

I just underlined my edits.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


Edited by Bigbadwooof (01/09/19 10:09 PM)

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Re: Liberal Democrats continually poison the black community [Re: XUL]
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Muhammad Ali



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Re: Liberal Democrats continually poison the black community [Re: Great Scott] * 1
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Muhammed Ali seems to think he's 100% African black man lol!

I'm kinda stunned that nobody called him on the glaring problem with his example (pigeons stay with pigeons, giraffes stay be giraffes, lions with lions, etc). If we were to go on from his example, then 'people stick with people'. He's talking about different species.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


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Re: Liberal Democrats continually poison the black community [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Here is an article from 1997 I remember reading.....it makes some good points regarding welfare:


https://www.brookings.edu/articles/poverty-101-what-liberals-and-conservatives-can-learn-from-each-other/

as already begun with a radical new welfare system that fundamentally changes how America cares for her poor, dependent, jobless, and abused. The 1996 welfare reform law was the result of a decade of often dramatic and contentious debate about the proper nature of reform. On the one side were conservative reformers who demanded work requirements, illegitimacy prevention, and general de-entitlement. On the other were liberal reformers who also had an interest in work requirements and better job placement but wanted to see the essential characteristics of the social safety net remain intact.

The heat of the last debate was often painfully intense, but perhaps the lull before the next welfare debate begins will afford both camps of reformers the opportunity to learn from each other—especially when it comes to the hard work of recreating civil society and a private sector approach to caring for those individuals in need.

Liberals first. Faith matters. Ironically for a liberal welfare tradition that had its roots in religious revival, many of today’s liberals acknowledge that religious faith is certainly a matter of importance, while ignoring—or being actively hostile to—its policy potential as a catalyst for radical change in people’s lives.

During the last welfare debate, for instance, Senator John Ashcroft’s “charitable choice” provision to allow states to contract with private and religious charitable organizations using federal funds was broadly attacked by many on the left. Yet its basic purpose was simply to level the playing field for faith-based not-for-profits.

Overwhelming evidence coming from groups as diverse as the Heritage Foundation and Public/Private Ventures suggests that faith is not only important, it may be the factor in determining whether an at-risk child, a welfare mother, or a convicted criminal is able to turn his or her life around. It is vital that political liberals embrace this idea. The next year will give them opportunities to do so: new efforts to encourage this kind of religious element in welfare include the charity tax credit and further implementation of charitable choice—type measures.

Conservatives next. Governmental programs can do—and have done—good. In just the past few —decades, hunger and malnutrition have become far less serious social problems thanks to food stamps. Where once one out of every three elderly Americans was in poverty, today that number has dropped to about one in ten, thanks to the indexing of Social Security benefits and Medicare. These are social policy successes virtually without parallel.

Despite its well-documented failures, particularly vis-á-vis the family, the War on Poverty changed the face of poverty. The lesson for conservatives is that keeping intact a safety net of noncash services for the poor—and especially for the children—is crucial to preventing future welfare dependency. In a recent book, What Money Can’t Buy, University of Chicago professor Susan Mayer pointed out that the two most important things determining a child’s future are, first, that his or her basic needs be met, and, second, that he or she be the child of parents with character. Legislatively, little can be done to ensure the second. Realistically, improving the delivery mechanisms for programs like Medicaid so that those who use the services will have better care and better access should be at the forefront of the conservative agenda.

Liberals need to place more trust in the private sector. Long skeptical of some conservative claims that the private sector could replace decades-old government programs overnight, some liberals appear to believe that the private sector can actually do very little—while clinging to the belief that true compassion is directly related to federal spending on welfare. In fact, free market charity and social entrepreneurism operating without the debilitating effects of government are the real hopes for making a transformational difference.


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: Liberal Democrats continually poison the black community [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
Muhammed Ali seems to think he's 100% African black man lol!

I'm kinda stunned that nobody called him on the glaring problem with his example (pigeons stay with pigeons, giraffes stay be giraffes, lions with lions, etc). If we were to go on from his example, then 'people stick with people'. He's talking about different species.


Butterflies stick with floating and bees stick with stinging


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Re: Liberal Democrats continually poison the black community [Re: JizzMasterZero]
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JizzMasterZero said:
^^^So you’re saying it wasn’t a great standard of living and was maybe embarrassing so I’m guessing that you stepped up and did something to make things better for you and your family? If so, that’s the whole idea of government assistance, help someone while they are down and allow them to get back on their feet. It’s not supposed to support you indefinitely while you don’t give a shit about your yourself or even try.


This.


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Re: Liberal Democrats continually poison the black community [Re: XUL]
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Xul reads the gop newsletter.  I read a bit and damn, they go on and on with conspiracy theory of hollywood and liberal elite.

Safe to say the gop has rotten brains from too much stupid religion. They blame everyone but themselves. They need to face the facts that society evolves.  They're the amish of politics.


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