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Seeking atonement for a year+ of misinfo. * 3
    #25726774 - 01/06/19 11:32 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

All I gots is my experiences ya’ll but it turns out the joke’s on me.  I am suffering from crippling kratom withdrawl.  I always voted kratom had no real withdrawls but it turns out my cattle like attitude allowed me to slip into ‘technical’ daily use for 8 or so months.  I was going to just stop anyways so didn’t order anymore and about day two got nailed, restless body syndrome, can’t sleep, sweats, chills.

It’s embarassing to admit but I think I actually always was getting withdrawls from time to time but I attributed it to hangover symptom due to having a tendency to over sip.  I haven’t drank in 6 or so months so this is the first time wd’ing from kratom with nothing else in my system (except nicotine, caffiene etc) and it is definately far from placebo.  I even paid $35 for 75 1/2 g gas station kratom pills to hold me over.. :cokeitch:    ..which is retarded when you take into account kilos are fiddy buxx...:whattefuck2:

So buyer beware, when I ran out my back started screaming like holy hell so I suspect it’s the classic opiate rebellion that happens when people stop pain pills.  Whatevsss, not major harm but just wanted to clear up that I have a better idea of what you guys were talking about, especially SunnyD (who I made light of because Im a dick).  Careful out there boys and girls...:hi:


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Re: Seeking atonement for a year+ of misinfo. [Re: Amanita86] * 3
    #25726805 - 01/06/19 11:52 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I remember when kratom users said kratom wasn't an opiate. Despite it activating the mu kappa and delta opiod receptors with higher affinity to the mu receptior. Like all opiates


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Re: Seeking atonement for a year+ of misinfo. [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #25726822 - 01/06/19 12:01 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

It’s an ‘opioid’ right, not an ‘opiate’?  As in it isn’t actually an opiate from a chemical standpoint but it hits some of the receptors that an opiate would hit.

It’s really not that bad but the restless body is annoying as fuck, it’s impossible to sit still long enough to fall asleep:crankey:


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Re: Seeking atonement for a year+ of misinfo. [Re: Amanita86]
    #25726827 - 01/06/19 12:03 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Meaningless distinction these days. Opioids were synthetic opiates but now they're just all opiates

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Opiates are drugs derived from opium. At one time "opioids" referred to synthetic opiates only (drugs created to emulate opium, however different chemically). Now the term Opioid is used for the entire family of opiates including natural, synthetic and semi-synthetic






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Re: Seeking atonement for a year+ of misinfo. [Re: Amanita86]
    #25726829 - 01/06/19 12:04 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I think withdrawals vary from person to person.

I used heavily for like 6 months and it felt like about the same intensity as caffeine withdrawals (with more cravings) when i quit.

Then some people get bad withdrawals from it.


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Re: Seeking atonement for a year+ of misinfo. [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #25726830 - 01/06/19 12:05 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Some people get better and worse kratom too.


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Re: Seeking atonement for a year+ of misinfo. [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25726831 - 01/06/19 12:05 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Meaningless distinction these days. Opioids were synthetic opiates but now they're just all opiates

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Opiates are drugs derived from opium. At one time "opioids" referred to synthetic opiates only (drugs created to emulate opium, however different chemically). Now the term Opioid is used for the entire family of opiates including natural, synthetic and semi-synthetic









What? when did they change it?


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Re: Seeking atonement for a year+ of misinfo. [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #25726832 - 01/06/19 12:05 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Idk a decade ago?


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Re: Seeking atonement for a year+ of misinfo. [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25726836 - 01/06/19 12:06 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Damn that was only 2009 what the fuck.

Time needs to chill out

I like the word opiate better so this has sent me into a deep depression. I hope you are happy now


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Re: Seeking atonement for a year+ of misinfo. [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25726844 - 01/06/19 12:08 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Does kratom fall into that category though being it’s a separate plant with separate alkaloids?

I wonder like with the booze if wd symptoms gradually increase over time.


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Re: Seeking atonement for a year+ of misinfo. [Re: Amanita86]
    #25726850 - 01/06/19 12:11 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

The alkaloids in kratom would be the opiates. The poppy plant isn't an opiate. The alkaloids in it are.


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Re: Seeking atonement for a year+ of misinfo. [Re: Amanita86] * 1
    #25726852 - 01/06/19 12:11 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah I think stricter definitions of "opiate" require that a given chemical occurs in opium.



I've never tried kratom and have no interest in trying it, but it seems like it can be a "lesser of two evils" for existing opioid addicts.


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Re: Seeking atonement for a year+ of misinfo. [Re: psi] * 1
    #25726862 - 01/06/19 12:14 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Seeking atonement for a year+ of misinfo. [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25726875 - 01/06/19 12:21 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I thought it fell outside of opiate.  Whatever the case I suppose that’s splitting hairs when you take into account their method of action.  Any well known doper tricks to kill wd using otc item I should know about?

I think I’m just gonna taper and then use it strictly as medicine.


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Re: Seeking atonement for a year+ of misinfo. [Re: Amanita86]
    #25726880 - 01/06/19 12:26 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I think it has to mostly do with Kratom advocates trying to get their story out first so that most people would be misinformed in an attempt to keep it from being scheduled.


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Re: Seeking atonement for a year+ of misinfo. [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #25726884 - 01/06/19 12:30 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Meaningless distinction these days. Opioids were synthetic opiates but now they're just all opiates

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Opiates are drugs derived from opium. At one time "opioids" referred to synthetic opiates only (drugs created to emulate opium, however different chemically). Now the term Opioid is used for the entire family of opiates including natural, synthetic and semi-synthetic








Your quote seems to suggest that "opioid" is the preferred umbrella term for the whole group if anything, rather than "opiate".


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Re: Seeking atonement for a year+ of misinfo. [Re: psi] * 1
    #25726889 - 01/06/19 12:32 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Seeking atonement for a year+ of misinfo. [Re: psi]
    #25726892 - 01/06/19 12:34 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Opioid is the umbrella term yes.

Opiate

Classically, the term opiate refers to natural substances that come from opium. Opium itself can be extracted from the opium poppy and contains chemical compounds, including morphine and codeine. Thus, examples of opiates are morphine and codeine.

Opioids

There are also products that work by binding to the same receptors as opiates, but do not occur naturally, known as semi-synthetic or synthetic opioids. While synthetic opioids are manufactured chemically, semi-synthetic opioids are a hybrid resulting from chemical modifications to natural opiates.

Examples of synthetic opioids include fentanyl and methadone, while oxycodone and hydrocodone are examples of semi-synthetic opioids.

Opioid vs Opiate

Most people have now moved away from differentiating between opiate and opioid and use the term opioid for both natural or synthetic (or semi-synthetic) substances that act at one of the three main opioid receptor systems (mu, kappa, delta). If the term opiate is used it is thought of as the naturally occurring substances within the opioid class.


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Re: Seeking atonement for a year+ of misinfo. [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25726898 - 01/06/19 12:37 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Non-opiate opiate receptor agonist


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Re: Seeking atonement for a year+ of misinfo. [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #25726903 - 01/06/19 12:39 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

That's how kratom advocacy tries to spin it.


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