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    #25722310 - 01/04/19 07:11 AM (5 years, 24 days ago)

https://www.wsj.com/articles/marijua...nk-11546527075


Marijuana Is More Dangerous Than You Think

As legalization spreads, more Americans are becoming heavy users of cannabis, despite its links to violence and mental illness

Over the past 30 years, a shrewd and expensive lobbying campaign has made Americans more tolerant of marijuana. In November 2018, Michigan became the 10th state to legalize recreational cannabis use; New Jersey and others may soon follow. Already, more than 200 million Americans live in states that have legalized marijuana for medical or recreational use. Yet even as marijuana use has become more socially acceptable, psychiatrists and epidemiologists have reached a consensus that it presents more serious risks than most people realize.

Contrary to the predictions of both advocates and opponents, legalization hasn’t led to a huge increase in people using the drug casually. About 15% of Americans used cannabis at least once in 2017, up from 10% in 2006, according to the federal government’s National Survey on Drug Use and Health. By contrast, almost 70% of Americans had an alcoholic drink in the past year.

But the number of Americans who use cannabis heavily is soaring. In 2006, about 3 million Americans reported using the drug at least 300 times a year, the standard for daily use. By 2017, that number had increased to 8 million—approaching the 12 million Americans who drank every day. Put another way, only one in 15 drinkers consumed alcohol daily; about one in five marijuana users used cannabis that often.

And they are consuming cannabis that is far more potent than ever before, as measured by the amount of THC it contains. THC, or delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol, is the chemical responsible for the drug’s psychoactive effects. In the 1970s, most marijuana contained less than 2% THC. Today, marijuana routinely contains 20-25% THC, thanks to sophisticated farming and cloning techniques and to the demand of users to get a stronger high more quickly. In states where cannabis is legal, many users prefer extracts that are nearly pure THC.

Cannabis advocates often argue that the drug can’t be as neurotoxic as studies suggest because otherwise Western countries would have seen population-wide increases in psychosis alongside rising marijuana use. In reality, accurately tracking psychosis cases is impossible in the U.S. The government carefully tracks diseases such as cancer with central registries, but no such system exists for schizophrenia or other severe mental illnesses.

Some population-level data does exist, though. Research from Finland and Denmark, two countries that track mental illness more accurately, shows a significant increase in psychosis since 2000, following an increase in cannabis use. And last September, a large survey found a rise in serious mental illness in the U.S. too. In 2017, 7.5% of young adults met the criteria for serious mental illness, double the rate in 2008.

None of these studies prove that rising cannabis use has caused population-wide increases in psychosis or other mental illness, although they do offer suggestive evidence of a link. What is clear is that, in individual cases, marijuana can cause psychosis, and psychosis is a high risk factor for violence. What’s more, much of that violence occurs when psychotic people are using drugs. As long as people with schizophrenia are avoiding recreational drugs, they are only moderately more likely to become violent than healthy people. But when they use drugs, their risk of violence skyrockets. The drug they are most likely to use is cannabis.

The most obvious way that cannabis fuels violence in psychotic people is through its tendency to cause paranoia. Even marijuana advocates acknowledge that the drug can cause paranoia; the risk is so obvious that users joke about it, and dispensaries advertise certain strains as less likely to do so. But for people with psychotic disorders, paranoia can fuel extreme violence. A 2007 paper in the Medical Journal of Australia looked at 88 defendants who had committed homicide during psychotic episodes. It found that most of the killers believed they were in danger from the victim, and almost two-thirds reported misusing cannabis—more than alcohol and amphetamines combined.

The link between marijuana and violence doesn’t appear limited to people with pre-existing psychosis. Researchers have studied alcohol and violence for generations, proving that alcohol is a risk factor for domestic abuse, assault and even murder. Far less work has been done on marijuana, in part because advocates have stigmatized anyone who raises the issue. Still, there are studies showing that marijuana use is a significant risk factor for violence.

A 2012 paper in the Journal of Interpersonal Violence, examining a federal survey of more than 9,000 adolescents, found that marijuana use was associated with a doubling of domestic violence in the U.S. A 2017 paper in the journal Social Psychiatry and Psychiatric Epidemiology, examining drivers of violence among 6,000 British and Chinese men, found that drug use was linked to a fivefold increase in violence, and the drug used was nearly always cannabis.

Before states legalized recreational cannabis, advocates predicted that legalization would let police focus on hardened criminals rather than on marijuana smokers and thus reduce violent crime. Some advocates even claim that legalization has reduced violent crime: In a 2017 speech calling for federal legalization, Sen. Cory Booker (D., N.J.) said that “these states are seeing decreases in violent crime.”

But Mr. Booker is wrong. The first four states to legalize marijuana for recreational use were Colorado and Washington in 2014 and Alaska and Oregon in 2015. Combined, those four states had about 450 murders and 30,300 aggravated assaults in 2013. In 2017, they had almost 620 murders and 38,000 aggravated assaults—an increase far greater than the national average.

Knowing exactly how much of that increase is related to cannabis is impossible without researching every crime. But for centuries, people all over the world have understood that cannabis causes mental illness and violence—just as they’ve known that opiates cause addiction and overdose. Hard data on the relationship between marijuana and madness dates back 150 years, to British asylum registers in India.

Yet 20 years ago, the U.S. moved to encourage wider use of cannabis and opiates. In both cases, we decided we could outsmart these drugs—enjoying their benefits without their costs. And in both cases, we were wrong. Opiates are riskier than cannabis, and the overdose deaths they cause are a more imminent crisis, so public and government attention have focused on them. Soon, the mental illness and violence that follow cannabis use also may be too widespread to ignore.

—Mr. Berenson is a former New York Times reporter and the author of 12 novels. This essay is adapted from his new book, “Tell Your Children: The Truth About Marijuana, Mental Illness and Violence,” which will be published by Simon & Schuster on Jan. 8.


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Re: Marijuana is more dangerous than you think. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #25722312 - 01/04/19 07:12 AM (5 years, 24 days ago)

Do they over use correlation?  Yep, they forget to add that big pharma pay's doctors to push anti-psychotics and other more dangerous drugs.


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Re: Marijuana is more dangerous than you think. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #25722325 - 01/04/19 07:24 AM (5 years, 24 days ago)

This seems BS. The increase in crime could be linked to the opiate crisis alone.

It looks at the numbers of crimes after cannabis was legalized in some states but doesn't bother showing the rate it was increasing before hand.

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But Mr. Booker is wrong. The first four states to legalize marijuana for recreational use were Colorado and Washington in 2014 and Alaska and Oregon in 2015. Combined, those four states had about 450 murders and 30,300 aggravated assaults in 2013. In 2017, they had almost 620 murders and 38,000 aggravated assaults—an increase far greater than the national average.





It also doesn't bother stating how much "far greater"  it is compared to the national average which seems important. Is 5% "far greater? 10%?

Also that link doesn't seem to work.

Anyways if we are worried about violence and mental health it may be good to look at things like alcohol first which have a long history of being linked with domestic violence and mental health issues.


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Re: Marijuana is more dangerous than you think. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #25722330 - 01/04/19 07:30 AM (5 years, 24 days ago)

The plant may be a catalyst for mental illness to produce itself, but rarely is it the cause if ever. This piece seems like an effort to curb legalization by saying "think about the children" etc...:thumbdown:


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Re: Marijuana is more dangerous than you think. [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 1
    #25722346 - 01/04/19 07:44 AM (5 years, 24 days ago)

Good ol Wall Street Journal. The thing is, marijuana probably is more dangerous than people think, but so is alcohol and tobacco (far worse) and vape juice aint good either. I think the main problem with MJ comes with its anxiety-provoking effects which are worse for some people than others ("im fucking paranoid").

That said, its still the safest recreational drug i can think of, and that includes caffeine and all that

"Mr. booker" (Cory Booker) is one of the best politicans we have on roster, IMO, btw. Rand Paul has his moments but usually caves to the GOP/whoever is in majority like when he tried to stop the 2cx ban. Until someones face got eaten (unrelated but tabloids made it relate) and then for no reason that whole class of psychedelics was schedule 1. (The face eater hadnt tried any of the rc's as far as anyone knows, and certainly not during the attack)

Heres the thing tho, "marijuana and violence" is bullshit and everyone who has been angry and then had a nice puff on some couchlock indica knows this. People with true mental disorders need to not use any hallucinogenic substances. Maybe especially weed. In fact, i dont see a problem with mental illness warnings. At least family members would see the product is not meant for use by the mentally ill

Def an anti-legalization piece

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Re: Marijuana is more dangerous than you think. [Re: Fractal420] * 2
    #25722355 - 01/04/19 07:52 AM (5 years, 24 days ago)

I feel like when people talk about psychosis, they basically take the symptoms of being high on marijuana or psychedelics and instead of calling it being high, they call it psychosis. I don't think I've ever heard of someone getting psychosis out of the context of marijuana and getting high. If marijuana isn't involved, it's called schizophrenia or a schizo episode, a mental break, psychotic break, or something like that.

I'm just saying, when you read the symptoms of psychosis, they read like the symptoms of being high and half of them seem desirable and the other half would be desirable if you worded it differently.

Also anyone notice how the WSJ noted that small but shrewd lobbying firm can be blamed for the legalization movement in america. I assume the mean NORML. Their readers believe that, but they don't believe that a small lobbying/advertising firm could have pushed smoking, sugar, climate change denial, the war on drugs, the war in iraq, etc onto the american public.

Fucking shills.


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Re: Marijuana is more dangerous than you think. [Re: paradoxlost]
    #25722387 - 01/04/19 08:24 AM (5 years, 24 days ago)

I xant believe this junk is gettin published into a book.
What a joke.
Mj eases violent/angry emotions not intensifies them; paranoia aside.
I think this all coulda been summed up far easier. In katt williams words weed makes you say/think "fuck it" barriers and worries constrqining the mind are lessened and set aside.
No shit people that have dormant crazy go full crazy when they toke...
They dont give enuf a fuck to act normal!
Dumb fucking cuck writes full book on the subject...
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Re: Marijuana is more dangerous than you think. [Re: paradoxlost]
    #25722390 - 01/04/19 08:25 AM (5 years, 24 days ago)

Statistical psychology is a stupid psuedo-science.

I agree, these people that do studies never experienced psychosis, being high, or traumatic life events.  They are self consumed self proclaimed know it alls.


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Re: Marijuana is more dangerous than you think. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #25722434 - 01/04/19 08:50 AM (5 years, 24 days ago)

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IIn katt williams words weed makes you say/think "fuck it"





"Theres a chemical in weed thats called Fuck It"

This is related, hilarious.

"Weed is getting stronger every 2 weeks. Its kryptochronicutlight, nigga!"

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Re: Marijuana is more dangerous than you think. [Re: Fractal420]
    #25722466 - 01/04/19 09:06 AM (5 years, 24 days ago)

Lul


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Re: Marijuana is more dangerous than you think. [Re: ashfiken]
    #25722516 - 01/04/19 09:40 AM (5 years, 24 days ago)

THIS IS NOT NEWS!
it's statistical cancer.


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    #25722559 - 01/04/19 10:04 AM (5 years, 24 days ago)

Just to be clear, OPs article is from 'the wall street journal', at the same time of legalization in NewYork.


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New York Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo on Monday announced his full support of statewide legalization of recreational marijuana, making it an administration priority for early 2019.

“Let’s legalize the adult use of recreational marijuana once and for all,” Cuomo (D) said during a speech in New York City to various constituency advocates outlining his agenda for the first 100 days of his new term.

The governor also vocalized the need to mitigate racial disparities in the criminal justice system.

“We have had two criminal justice systems: one for the wealthy and the well-off and one for everyone else. And that’s going to end,” he said, noting that African American and other minority communities have historically been unfairly targeted. “We must also end the needless and unjust criminal convictions and the debilitating criminal stigma.”

Cuomo’s Monday message was his strongest public endorsement of recreational marijuana to date. It marks a substantial shift from his prior opposition, as recently as last year when he called it a “gateway drug.”





https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/12/17/legalizing-marijuana-is-now-one-cuomos-priorities-hes-been-resisting-it-years/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.64e2acc36bae

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/17/nyregion/marijuana-legalization-cuomo.html

https://www.amny.com/news/marijuana-legalization-new-york-1.23933469

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/marijuana-legalization-new-york-can-t-just-be-about-making-ncna950096

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tomangell/2018/12/26/these-states-are-most-likely-to-legalize-marijuana-in-2019/#64e6a1aa5add


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Re: Marijuana is more dangerous than you think. [Re: ellomello]
    #25722811 - 01/04/19 12:24 PM (5 years, 24 days ago)

Posted to counter article counter propaganda purposes.


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Re: Marijuana is more dangerous than you think. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #25722813 - 01/04/19 12:25 PM (5 years, 24 days ago)

I am going to reply the exact opposite, and claim that Cannabis is a lot safer than any of us think.The amount of unsafe substances that we consume every day that is fully sanctioned by the state.Aspirin kills thousands every year, not to mention hundreds of thousands killed by disgusting fast food every year.Those of us that were clever enough to consume Cannabis our entire lives like myself aren't suffering from the problems many others in my age bracket suffer from.The CBD rich, low grade, ditch weed ,that I consumed by the bag full, since my teens, has prevented health problems, at this late stage of my life.I have 20-20 vision,  never get sick, and don't have dementia.Canada has legalized this amazing drug and this is the reason why.Overwhelming medical evidence is pointing to Cannabis as a wonder drug, and as time goes on, will prove this posting as total rubbish.


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Re: Marijuana is more dangerous than you think. [Re: gandalfe]
    #25722823 - 01/04/19 12:30 PM (5 years, 24 days ago)

Obesity is #1 killer in fat ol usa.


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Re: Marijuana is more dangerous than you think. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #25722844 - 01/04/19 12:42 PM (5 years, 24 days ago)

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Morel Guy said:
—Mr. Berenson is a former New York Times reporter and the author of 12 novels. This essay is adapted from his new book, “Tell Your Children: The Truth About Marijuana, Mental Illness and Violence,” which will be published by Simon & Schuster on Jan. 8.




I guess his book is not selling very well so he did this essay. :rolleyes:

Back to the early reefer madness that if you smoke it you will become addicted kill someone then have to be institutionalized for the rest of your life.

I love how all his books are about fear mongering and conspiracies.


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Re: Marijuana is more dangerous than you think. [Re: rider420]
    #25722856 - 01/04/19 12:52 PM (5 years, 24 days ago)

His book is more dangerous than you think! (or his face,lol)


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Re: Marijuana is more dangerous than you think. [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #25722969 - 01/04/19 01:41 PM (5 years, 24 days ago)

Don't blame weed herb on violence.

Blame Dr. Dre and California on violence.

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Re: Marijuana is more dangerous than you think. [Re: Happinessfeeling]
    #25722991 - 01/04/19 01:55 PM (5 years, 24 days ago)

weed gives me the opposite of anxiety i litterally tune off all the horrible negative thought loops when ever I smoke weed, even 3 months of sobriety cant cure this


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Re: Marijuana is more dangerous than you think. [Re: Happinessfeeling]
    #25723159 - 01/04/19 03:14 PM (5 years, 24 days ago)

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Blame Dr. Dre and California on violence.




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