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Flame sterilizing - sterilization of JARS themselves - ignite jar (or microwave sterilise?)
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Hello, fellow humans.
My first post.
I promise I am a human , just like you, and definitely not an alien impersonating a human for interplanetary gain. Nothing suspicious here.

I am new to growing, and just currently researching.

I have a question :
Has anybody tried flame sterilizing JARS themselves ?
(preferably with success).

I have just tried igniting a glass jar to flame sterilize it.
I poured some methylated spirits in it, set it on fire, and used a small electric fan to convect air into the mouth of the jar to keep the flame going.

The result was a raging hot jar.
(couldn't find my thermometer, but touched jar for a split second, and it instantly carbonized a callous on my finger).

Only a tiny bit of spirits (a few mL) was required for a long lasting blue flame.

I am curious about flame sterilizing jars because I am both a bit lazy, impatient,
(both qualities frowned upon in these forums, I realize) -- and I like efficiency,
and this seems more efficient in time and energy resources than pressure cookers or steaming jars for a couple of hours etc.

I have searched these forums and not found an answer.
When I search variations of "flame sterilize jars" , I get approx 7600 results, of which I have viewed the headings of 1000 and skim-read through about 15.
Search result headings got increasingly less relevant after page one.

As an afterthought :
I suspect microwaves might be another possibility for sterilization, for energy efficiency?
Anybody had success with that?
Of course, microwaves , being a kitchen appliance, would themselves be filled with contaminants, and therefore probably be a bad idea, but maybe someone has a workaround, or some kind of imaginative setup (I have not researched this here).

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Re: Flame sterilizing - sterilization of JARS themselves - ignite jar (or microwave sterilise?) [Re: spazzz]
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Welcome but that sounds dangerous!

Also you can't sterilize any grain inside it with flames so what's the point?


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Re: Flame sterilizing - sterilization of JARS themselves - ignite jar (or microwave sterilise?) [Re: Mike O.Rrhizal]
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I was being rude to a new guy, I apologize. We all have to start somewhere.:thumbup: read your ass off and a pressure cooker is your best friend. Really can’t do shit without it.  This may be a dumb question but are you familiar with the “search out forum”  at the top of the screen? Use that instead of the other one, it has lots more info. I ask because when I started I didn’t know.

Edited by Thesunbeam (12/29/18 09:08 PM)

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Re: Flame sterilizing - sterilization of JARS themselves - ignite jar (or microwave sterilise?) [Re: Mike O.Rrhizal]
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started a wood fire in a pint jar once and it promptly cracked. Not to mention the fact that this has no practical application I can think of.

gonna load up some grain/brf jars and start a fire under them? i can't even


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Re: Flame sterilizing - sterilization of JARS themselves - ignite jar (or microwave sterilise?) [Re: Psilosopherr]
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Please read up more avoid your thoughts. Pressure cook to do your work.


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Re: Flame sterilizing - sterilization of JARS themselves - ignite jar (or microwave sterilise?) [Re: Fungeyes]
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So what people sterilize are our spawn, grains mostly. Now if you try to sterilize with dry heat, like a fire, you'll just end up burning everything before it becomes sterile. Rendering it useless to grow mushrooms. This is why we pressure sterilize with steam iirc.

Microwave won't sterilize anything either.

Just get a pressure cooker.


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Re: Flame sterilizing - sterilization of JARS themselves - ignite jar (or microwave sterilise?) [Re: Fungeyes]
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You can not sterilize without pressure. The water in the substrate will never exceed 100°C unless you pressure it. You can do the PF Tek which doesn't require a pressure cooker. A microwave, as a lot of people say, has no room in this hobby.
Seems like you are not familiar with the basic principles. Read read read...


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Re: Flame sterilizing - sterilization of JARS themselves - ignite jar (or microwave sterilise?) [Re: Lyh]
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might be a good way to clean out the ol' SAB though :strokebeard:


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Re: Flame sterilizing - sterilization of JARS themselves - ignite jar (or microwave sterilise?) [Re: Thesunbeam]
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Thesunbeam said:
I was being rude to a new guy, I apologize. We all have to start somewhere.:thumbup: read your ass off and a pressure cooker is your best friend. Really can’t do shit without it.  This may be a dumb question but are you familiar with the “search out forum”  at the top of the screen? Use that instead of the other one, it has lots more info. I ask because when I started I didn’t know.


Fixed my attitude, I was hangry earlier:crazy:

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Re: Flame sterilizing - sterilization of JARS themselves - ignite jar (or microwave sterilise?) [Re: Thesunbeam]
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23 Quart Presto's are on sale for $67.  https://www.amazon.com/Presto-01781-23-Quart-Pressure-Canner/dp/B0000BYCFU/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1546176931&sr=8-3&keywords=presto+23+quart+pressure+cooker

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Re: Flame sterilizing - sterilization of JARS themselves - ignite jar (or microwave sterilise?) [Re: 6was9]
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Could try a flame thrower? Maybe a stick of dynamite? Or just do what all us boring cultivators do and pressure cook your jars.

It's boring and awfully obvious and simple, but hey, it gets the job done.

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Re: Flame sterilizing - sterilization of JARS themselves - ignite jar (or microwave sterilise?) [Re: spazzz] * 3
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Do enough research until you think this idea sounds stupid then start growing mushrooms.


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Re: Flame sterilizing - sterilization of JARS themselves - ignite jar (or microwave sterilise?) [Re: bodhisatta]
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''I poured some methylated spirits in it, set it on fire, and used a small electric fan to convect air into the mouth of the jar to keep the flame going.''
I might use this idea next time my dog needs a bath.:trippy: :stopflaming:


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Re: Flame sterilizing - sterilization of JARS themselves - ignite jar (or microwave sterilise?) [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhisatta said:
Do enough research until you think this idea sounds stupid then start growing mushrooms.


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There are reasons things are done the way they are... sure, innovation stems from outside of the box, but dry heat and microwaves aren't exactly "new" ideas... I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish, just not buying a PC? You do realize that the jar is sterilized with the grain right? Scratching my head,  help me understand the train here plz'r


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Re: Flame sterilizing - sterilization of JARS themselves - ignite jar (or microwave sterilise?) [Re: Caps McGee]
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As others have pointed out you need to sterilize your grain. So while your method of "sterilizing" your jars may indeed get them clean, it won't help you at all unless your grain is sterile. And your technique won't do anything for your grain except burn it. Again as others have stated, dry heat won't help here. You actually need the heat and pressure of the steam in order to successfully sterilize.

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Re: Flame sterilizing - sterilization of JARS themselves - ignite jar (or microwave sterilise?) [Re: Pyrotek]
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Facepalm.

So lets take this step by step. IN an open air unsanitary environment you want to light a jar on fire and blow no sterile air into it? How might you sterilize your grains?

Probably come off them mushies first because your going to have to get a pressure cooker.

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Re: Flame sterilizing - sterilization of JARS themselves - ignite jar (or microwave sterilise?) [Re: grimshadow99]
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Hi all !
Thanks for all the various responses.
Thank you also for indulging my definite complete and massive ignorance.
-- and I deserve the flack and sarcasm I get for inflicting my ignorance on the forum --
but it was a good excuse to get started here , and dip my feet in.

Okay, I will get a pressure cooker !
No big deal, I was just hoping to save energy (and also misread some short reading I did).

Having read through all the comments, and having watched a few videos featuring the wonderful Tom and Wendy Wiandt,
such as this


....as well as reading all your posts :
I now understand a little bit more about what you are all saying, the (now obvious) necessity of sterilising grain / substrate, and about the process.
(be assured that I am face-palming myself for not being able to see the screamingly obvious before asking).

I was previously reading the brown rice method of growing by (the well known?) Steven Pollock,
and I don't think he mentioned about sterilising grain, and that was much the extent of my reading.
I also read a couple of guides which seemed to focus on sterilising the containers (obviously didn't read far enough).

Maybe if anybody can recommend their personal favourite book / books about applied mycology / mushie growing,
then I'll get started reading something a bit more comprehensive and in-depth at some point (possibly written by some kind of "authority?"),
to avoid more goofy questions from me in future.

More in-depth sciency recommendations also appreciated, but don't know when I'll have the time for something highly academic on this topic (as much as I'd like to) .... but nice to know what people think.

Is Stamets "Mushroom Cultivator" etc. a good place to start?
While I would love to get a bit further into the science sometime,
I'm really just looking to produce a small crop for very moderate and occasional personal use, as in, enough for myself and maybe a couple of buddies, to have a supply to use possibly once a month at most, probably once every 2 or 3 months.

Even just as an alternative to the alcohol-centric society and cultures that I live within,
among various other reasons I have for wanting a small crop on hand.

Cheers !
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at TheSunBeam :
Yes, I definitely did search the forums using "search our forum" (I can't even find any other kind of search box):
...I was hoping to find the answer to my question, which was clearly inquiring in the wrong direction with the wrong logic and lack of research to begin with 0_0
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Everybody else :
Your pure information and pure info + sarcasm + time is all much appreciated (:
I got something out of all of it.
Ta.

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Re: Flame sterilizing - sterilization of JARS themselves - ignite jar (or microwave sterilise?) [Re: spazzz]
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If you're just looking to produce a small crop the brf cakes would probably suite you perfectly. If you're looking for a little more than try a bulk method. I'd consider myself very new at this and was able to follow all the teks I chose just fine. It helps to have the correct equipment. As far as further reading goes, if you aren't looking into the scientific aspect of mycology then just read these forums. I tried bulk my first time around so I recommend bodhisatta's teks. To me, they are the simplest teks to follow.

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Re: Flame sterilizing - sterilization of JARS themselves - ignite jar (or microwave sterilise?) [Re: Pyrotek]
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A bit late to the party but...

What you were initially suggesting is along the lines of dry heat sterilization. It's not as commonly used as wet heat but has its place, eg for water-sensitive instruments, glassware, powders... obviously as pointed out not for media! 170 degC, 1 hour, no alcohol needed (or wanted!). So for example, if for some reason you wanted to sterilise vermiculite or perlite while keeping it dry, dry heat would be a suitable method.

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Re: Flame sterilizing - sterilization of JARS themselves - ignite jar (or microwave sterilise?) [Re: Doodlin]
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Everything you need to know


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Re: Flame sterilizing - sterilization of JARS themselves - ignite jar (or microwave sterilise?) [Re: spazzz]
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spazzz said:
Is Stamets "Mushroom Cultivator" etc. a good place to start?



Inb4 Bod. No! That book is outdated misinformation.
You dont need to "buy" books. All the info you need is right here for free:shrug:


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Re: Flame sterilizing - sterilization of JARS themselves - ignite jar (or microwave sterilise?) [Re: Bumholio]
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LOL. Yea. :whathesaid:


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Re: Flame sterilizing - sterilization of JARS themselves - ignite jar (or microwave sterilise?) [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhisatta said:
Do enough research until you think this idea sounds stupid then start growing mushrooms.


Another fucking awesome quote. This guy has the best one liners since Clint Eastwood. I think I'll start referring to bod as blondie...lmfao

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Re: Flame sterilizing - sterilization of JARS themselves - ignite jar (or microwave sterilise?) [Re: Subfinder]
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Rofl

After you've grown a bunch and have knowledge, then read TMC. There's a few gold nuggets there. Especially the contamination section. The growing sections are all utter garbage though.


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Re: Flame sterilizing - sterilization of JARS themselves - ignite jar (or microwave sterilise?) [Re: Pyrotek]
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Pyrotek : Thank you for your recommendations ! Yes, broad simple procedures would be good to start. Maybe I could work towards more complex things later -- but would be nice to just be able to have a small crop to start.  I will check out Bodhisatta' s teks. Cheers for the good steer !

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Re: Flame sterilizing - sterilization of JARS themselves - ignite jar (or microwave sterilise?) [Re: Doodlin]
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Doodlin : Thank you ! I'm glad to see my stupid question has some actual other application (:
I will certainly bear that in mind about dry heat for vermiculite or perlite if I need to do some non-standard sterilisation at some other point for some reason.
It did occur to me that this "flame jar" would work for sticking a variety of instruments in the jar , and to sterilise the jar itself. (:
A bunch of birds with one stone.
I was not aware that there may be water-sensitive instruments which would be better to sterilise with dry heat, but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it... and now I know. Cheers !

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Re: Flame sterilizing - sterilization of JARS themselves - ignite jar (or microwave sterilise?) [Re: Johnny Dont]
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Johnny Dont : WHOA ! THANK YOU !!!!    and I must say thank you to bodhisatta.
If nobody says anything else, those links will give me plenty of reading for a long time !!!

It's been a loo-ong time since I've been part of any kind of educational forum or otherwise, and I forgot to check the stickies (on reading that , I just remembered "oh yeah, stickies, of course !!!"  --- Dumb, I know).

I'll make a point of going through stickies, and that should keep me plenty-busy.
It's at least the second time that somebody in this thread has made referenced bodhisatta's teks, so obviously they are held in regard, so I know where to go (:
Cheers for saving me some searching-time + trial + error!

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Re: Flame sterilizing - sterilization of JARS themselves - ignite jar (or microwave sterilise?) [Re: Bumholio]
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Bumholio : Cheers dude !
Ok , that can go on the back-burner for a good-while, then.
"Free" is also a very nice price for information !!!
I'm buried in books as it is  /:          .....need less, not more.
.... Stamet's "Cultivator" can be found as a PDF tho ----- but good to know there are better and more recent methods which can be found in the stickies here  (:

.... and that I can save money and space for a while longer :P

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Re: Flame sterilizing - sterilization of JARS themselves - ignite jar (or microwave sterilise?) [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhisatta :
People are recommending your stuff, and having seen the contents of some of your stickies and dipped in :
I just want to thank you so much for all your friggin awesome efforts in assembling all that,
and for indulging this absolute stinking rank-beginner with your time and input, and ignoring my forgetfulness of forum etiquette, and of me forgetting to look at stickies (ffs !  )    I haven't been a big forum user in a few years  --

Cheers dooood !
Your info that "johnny dont" linked me to should keep me busy for quite some time.  :eek:

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Re: Flame sterilizing - sterilization of JARS themselves - ignite jar (or microwave sterilise?) [Re: Mad Season]
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Mad Season : Thanks for sorting the wheat from the chaff there for me (:
There had to be a few good points about TMC given how much coverage Mr. Stamets has on the webs -- I'll give that contamination section a go , and avoid the growing bits.

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Re: Flame sterilizing - sterilization of JARS themselves - ignite jar (or microwave sterilise?) [Re: spazzz]
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Cheers everybody for the great guidance and advice.

Unless anybody has any other recommendations (always appreciated),
....  I think I've got HEEEAAPS to go on with now,
which should keep me plenty busy --
( and my dumb self forgot all about stickies !!!  So there's going to be a ton of those I should get thru. )

Thanks all for taking the time to share your thoughts and opinions , in spite of my dumb initial question --- but I'm still glad I asked.

It also saved me wasting time on reading materials which would not have been useful  --
and given me a sense of I should be placing time for the small first steps I want to take , and so I can actually generate a little bit of output (which would be nice), rather than floundering for ages with outdated info -- which I might otherwise have done.

.... and just dipping my toes in here and getting some direction has been great in letting me know what I should be pressing on with, and where to put my energy !!!
Cheers lads ! (and ladies ? )

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or leaving open forever is also cool      (:

Otherwise, I will be lurking in the stickies for some time :tongue2:

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Re: Flame sterilizing - sterilization of JARS themselves - ignite jar (or microwave sterilise?) [Re: spazzz]
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ANFO might be a good sterilizer. It is certainly a good cleaning agent, as the Mythbuster famously used it to clean the cement off of a cement truck.

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Re: Flame sterilizing - sterilization of JARS themselves - ignite jar (or microwave sterilise?) [Re: teladi]
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teladi said:
ANFO might be a good sterilizer. It is certainly a good cleaning agent, as the Mythbuster famously used it to clean the cement off of a cement truck.


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