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SHROOMSISAY01 55 GALLON STEAMER TEK. * 6
    #25700858 - 12/24/18 07:38 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

This is my tek on how to build a 55-gallon steamer for your substrate and spawn. This is going to be a long one guys and gals. But I will make this as easy as I possibly can. I hope this helps you all. This steamer has the following features...

1. Timer
2. Automatic water fill
3. Auto shut off if water gets too low. Just in case the auto water fill stops working. Or you forget to turn the water back on. (oops been there done that)
4. PID controlled

!! WARNING DO NOT ATTEMPT THIS IF YOU ARE NOT COMFORTABLE WORKING WITH ELECTRICITY !!


1st Things 1st

We need to find out what size heating element you can safely use on the circuit you will be using the steamer on. This is done by figuring out how many amps can be used on the circuit safely. The corresponding circuits are color coded to make it easier for you. The lower the gauge wire the more amps it can carry. In other words, a 10 gauge wire can carry more amps than a 12 gauge wire. There are basically 3 different situations that must be considered.

Color code

(120v 15 amps) You can safely run up to a 1650-watt heating element. 14 gauge or lower wire. This element took me 6 hours to heat up to 200F. I am currently building one with 5500-watts
(120v or 240 20 amps) On 120v you can safely run up to a 2250-watt heating element. On 240v you can safely run up to a 4500-watt heating element. Both will use 12 gauge or lower wire.
(240v 30 amps) you can safely run up to a 6500-watt heating element. 10 gauge or lower wire.

To figure out how many amps a different element is using use this formula
watts / voltage (example 1500 watts divided by 120v = 12.5 amps.) (example 5500 watts divided by 240v = 22.91 amps.)

The above gauge wire is what you will need to use inside the box or if you need to run a length of wire to put in an outlet that does not exist. Do not use Romex wire for connections inside the box. Only use Romex coming into the box. Romex is a solid wire and stiff. It is easier to use stranded flexable wire in the box. Althogh romex will work.

So how do you figure out what color code to use (above)? 120v is easy. Plug a radio into the outlet you want to use for your steamer and start turning off the breakers in your breaker box one at a time. When the radio stops playing this is the circuit the steamer will be on. Take note of the number on the breaker in most cases it will be(15 or 20). This number tells you the max amps your circuit can handle. If the number is 15 use the blue code. If the number is 20 use the green code.

To figure out 240 you will need to buy this or something similar...

Electric Non-Contact AC Voltage Detector
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Commercial-Electric-Non-Contact-AC-Voltage-Detector-MS8907H/206029125



Stick the probe of the detector into one of the slots of the 240v outlet it will beep and flash red. You will also receive a large shock (only kidding the probe is insulated and safe. Sorry I couldn't resist) Start turning off the breakers in the breaker box until the detector stops beeping and flashing red. Take note of the number on the breaker (20-50). This is the max amps the circuit can handle. Something to note here. In most cases, this will be a double pole breaker it will have a bar connecting two switches. Each switch will have a number on it. You do not add these numbers together for example if one side of the breaker says 30, it is a 30 amp breaker, not a 60 amp breaker. If the number is 15 use the blue code. If the number is 20 use green code. If the number is 30 use the red code. I did not put anything in for over 30 amps. Because no one will be using anything over 30 amps even on a much bigger steamer. 30 amps will actually run up to a 7200 watts heating element which should be enough for the biggest drum you can get. If the amps are higher than 30 on your breaker just use the red code. You can have a higher amp breaker but not a lower one.

Example of double pole breaker...

The above breaker is 30 Amps NOT 60 Amps

Wright down what color code you need. Now you don't need to search this post if you have a question. Just check the color code at the top.


The Parts


Water

Water Metal Y Connector $9.98 (This is not needed but it does allow to still get water from the water bib without disconnecting the hose.)
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Melnor-2-76-in-Metal-Y-Connector-9000/100178887

Water pressure regulator $34.95 (Set this to 10 PSI)
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N7JZTYX/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Hot water hose (pick the length you need)  $35.70 for 50 ft
https://www.amazon.com/Gilmour-Commercial-Hose-inch-840501-1001/dp/B000J426K4/ref=sr_1_7?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1542743467&sr=1-7&keywords=hot+water+garden+hose

Hose adapter $6.59
https://www.amazon.com/Brass-Garden-Fitting-Swivel-Fittings/dp/B014OO6QM8/ref=sr_1_3?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1542747555&sr=1-3&keywords=1%2F2+fnpt+to+fht

Float valve (you can get a cheaper one but if you don’t want a flood I would suggest quality.) I also heated the rod and straightened it then I bent it closer to the swivel so I could place it lower in the drum. $28.97

https://www.ebay.com/itm/STAINLESS-STEEL-FLOAT-LEVEL-CONTROL-VALVE-1-2-NPT-SHUT-OFF-ASSEMBLY/181863881344?hash=item2a57ee9a80:g:WCcAAOSw2DBaqs97:rk:2:pf:0

Low water shut off $2.75
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Stainless-Steel-Float-Switch-Liquid-Switch-Water-Level-Silver-Sensor-Control/142129445540?hash=item2117933aa4:g:37oAAOSwoR9aBRFR:rk:14:pf:0
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Electrical


Buy the color you need. If it is green and blue, it is interchangeable for either color. If it is white you need it.


120v GFCI $14.49
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Eaton-GFCI-Self-Test-20A-125V-Duplex-Receptacle-with-Standard-Size-Wallplate-White-SGF20W/206682898


34 Yellow In-Sure 4-Port Connector $2.50
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Ideal-34-Yellow-In-Sure-4-Port-Connector-10-Pack-30-1334S/202911031

Cord for Element 120v (Cut off end)
https://www.amazon.com/Quality-Heavy-Extension-Conditioner-Appliance/dp/B013Q5DOZ8/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1545756560&sr=8-8&keywords=12%2F3%2B%2Bextension%2Bcord&th=1

Heat sink and ssr for PID    $9.49
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SSR-40-40A-DA-Output-AC-24V-380V-Solid-State-Relay-Module-Heat-Sink/232407064701?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

240v outlet $9.47
Leviton 2620 30 Amp
https://www.amazon.com/Leviton-2620-Receptacle-Industrial-Grounding/dp/B00002NAT9/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1545692144&sr=1-1&keywords=Leviton+2620+30+Amp

Heat sink and ssr 40A-DA for PID   $9.49 each

https://www.ebay.com/itm/SSR-40-40A-DA-Output-AC-24V-380V-Solid-State-Relay-Module-Heat-Sink/232407064701?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

Heat sink and ssr 40A-AA $13.18

https://www.amazon.com/Ogrmar-Module-SSR-40AA-80-250V-24-380V/dp/B075R3PL28/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=ssr40aa&qid=1555051449&s=gateway&sr=8-1

Cord for element 240v (Cut off end) $12.95
30 Amp L6-30 extension cord 3 Prong
https://www.ebay.com/itm/30-Amp-L6-30-extension-cord-3-Prong-10-Gauge-Generator-Power-Cord-10ft/323029924872?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649


6-Circuit Terminal Block
$6.48
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Gardner-Bender-22-10-AWG-6-Circuit-Terminal-Block-1-Pack-GTB-406/202522482

NEWLY ADDED ITEM Indicator Pilot Dash Light (03/20/2019) I added this light because I had both of my solid state relays stick shut. This light will give you a visual indication of the relay being stuck shut.


Indicator light
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01F1SDDZO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Element you will have to pick the one you want depending on the 1st things 1st step.
https://www.brewhardware.com/category_s/1902.htm

HOT POD KETTLE ELEMENT ENCLOSURE $26
https://www.brewhardware.com/product_p/hotpod-ewl3.htm

Inkbird PID    $39.99
https://www.amazon.com/Inkbird-Temperature-Controllers-Thermostat-ITC-106VH/dp/B01MZ7A21Y/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=Mypin+PID+Temperature-Controller-SSR-Control-Output-TA4-SNR&qid=1587139368&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFESUlHUUZBUjVTMVYmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTAxMjAyODkxTllXRkpCRERYRzlPJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTAxMjU0MDYxN1RIOEhDUTE2Nlk0JndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==

Silver Thermal Grease CPU Heatsink Compound Paste Syringe (5-pack) for above relay $4.95
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00M5G6AHY/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 
K Type 50x5mm 800C Probe Thermocouple $7.99
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B071KNKY3X/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Sylvania SA160 20 Amp 12.99
https://www.amazon.com/Sylvania-SA160-24-Hour-Minute-Digital/dp/B000F5KYAQ/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1545249326&sr=8-
3&keywords=sylvania+20+amp+timer

Quad 4-LED Light Neon Quite Clear 80mm PC CPU $4.98
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Quad-4-LED-Light-Neon-Quite-Clear-80mm-PC-CPU-Computer-Case-Cooling-Fan-Mod/351684299150?hash=item51e204898e:g:3CEAAOSwAvJW8gOu:rk:9:pf:0&var=620654279970

Power Supply for fan $4.18
https://www.ebay.com/itm/AC100-240V-To-DC-12V-1-2-3-5-6-8A-US-Power-Supply-Adapter-Transformer-LED-Strip/202127822979?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=502120219928&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

You will also need a box and the correct gauge wire. What? You didn't think I was going to do all the work did you? LOL

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Miscellaneous Parts


WELDLESS PROBE COMPRESSION FITTING FOR POTS/KEGS PCOMP4 $15
https://www.brewhardware.com/product_p/pcomp4.htm

Protective Grille Decorative Circle $4.40 (These are not needed but they make the box look nice.)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2pcs-3-Inch-Matt-Type-Circle-Speaker-With-Protective-Grille-Decorative-Circle-US/123490521114?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

Just in case you drill the hole for your heating element in the wrong spot. I used one of these to repair the whole (super easy).

Rubber Expansion Plug 1 In (make sure you get the right size)
https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/dorman-help-rubber-expansion-plug-1-in-size-range-1-in-1-1-8-in-02600/5701252-P

They also make smaller ones They are called pool plugs (note part of the pool plug is plastic but it holds up to the heat.)
http://www.inyopools.com/parts_rubber_expansion_plugs.aspx


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Digrams





120v or 240v under 20 amp. For 120 volt only use the black wire going to the timer ...





240v




This is how I did my terminal block with 10 gauge Romex stiff wire. I cut out the plastic seperators with a multi tool. This is a different configuration than the way you will need to do yours. I have two outlets so mine is more complicated. but this will give you an idea on how I did mine.





And last but not least here is the PID controler I built. The left side runs my home made hot plate I made from a free stove from craigslist. It is 2500 watts and has a stand to keep the weight off of the burner. The Right side runs my 5500 watt steamer. I have a KWH meater on order so I will know how much it costs me to run.







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Edited by SHROOMSISAY01 (04/17/20 11:33 AM)


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Re: SHROOMSISAY01 55 GALLON STEAMER TEK. [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #25700956 - 12/24/18 08:34 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Wow! The best guide I've seen. :thumbup:

If anyone else wants one of these, I'll know where to send them! I've also just found your DIY high pressure mister, depending on the price of high pressure systems, I may be be trying to build that one, too. :grin:

The start up costs of a small farm are a bit higher than I first thought, although compared to other enterprises it's relatively small.

How long in total does one of your runs take? 6 hours to temp and then another ~12 for sterilizing?


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Re: SHROOMSISAY01 55 GALLON STEAMER TEK. [Re: Sceptre] * 1
    #25700978 - 12/24/18 08:50 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Sceptre said:
Wow! The best guide I've seen. :thumbup:

If anyone else wants one of these, I'll know where to send them! I've also just found your DIY high pressure mister, depending on the price of high pressure systems, I may be be trying to build that one, too. :grin:

The start up costs of a small farm are a bit higher than I first thought, although compared to other enterprises it's relatively small.

How long in total does one of your runs take? 6 hours to temp and then another ~12 for sterilizing?




Thank you for your kind words. I am only doing 15 to 20 bags and yes it takes me 6 hours to get temp and another 12 after that so a total of 18 hours with a 1650 watts element but it may be a 1500 watts I can't remember.

A high-pressure misting system will cost you at least $1000 off the shelf. That is why I build the one I did and it is still running beautifully.


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Re: SHROOMSISAY01 55 GALLON STEAMER TEK. [Re: Sceptre]
    #25701009 - 12/24/18 09:10 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I found a trough that I'll insulate for the sterilizer, and a 5500W element in a keg boiler should supply enough steam to do around 100 bags a run I hope.

I'll follow your guide here for 90% of the build, I'll just modify it for the float switch portion you also helped me with (and obviously some things I'll change since mine will be a keg).

When I get closer to actually building it I'll bump this thread/PM you in case I get stuck (99% sure that will happen) on adding a float switch and solenoid circuit to your design.

I saw some concern regarding the pressure washer holding up, but if it's still kicking then that is a crazy DIY build from a price perspective! Even if it is just to serve the job until enough money starts coming in to justify upgrading to a off-the-shelf system. Unless there's some catch I can't see, I don't know why that build hasn't taken off around here..


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Re: SHROOMSISAY01 55 GALLON STEAMER TEK. [Re: Sceptre] * 1
    #25701043 - 12/24/18 09:27 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Oh ok I didn't realize you were the one I helped with the keg. Yea you are the one that asked me to write the tek. LOL, I feel like an idiot not knowing you asked for the tek. Oh well, no one said I was smart.

Well, good luck. Feel free to PM me if you need help. If you don't mind shoot me a rating.


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Re: SHROOMSISAY01 55 GALLON STEAMER TEK. [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #25701087 - 12/24/18 09:58 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I wanted to since you helped me in my thread, but you need at least 50 posts to rate someone..

Lol, np. I just thought I'd jump in here to push your thread/thank you, don't forget to PM the other guy who asked you to write this up.

Thanks again for all the effort, got to go out now, merry xmas! :thumbup:

Edit: Well, it's Christmas in my timezone at least..


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Re: SHROOMSISAY01 55 GALLON STEAMER TEK. [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #25703223 - 12/26/18 07:20 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Wow man! Thanks for the write up! I’m not an electrician, but I’ve built stuff before. When I used to brew beer I built an all electric HLT and boiling vessel about 10 years ago. You’re diagram looks great!!! but I may need to study for a bit before I start wiring it up. I like how you have the safety features to prevent electrocution or damage of your equipment. Great addition! Thanks!!!
I’ll definitely give you a great rating, but forgive me for asking, what does the rating mean? Incentive?

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Re: SHROOMSISAY01 55 GALLON STEAMER TEK. [Re: jdfromjax]
    #25703561 - 12/26/18 11:37 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Thanks, JD

I am no electrician either. Believe me, it took me a long time to write this up. The rating means absolutely nothing. But it lets me know someone is paying attention. I try to make my teks as easy as possible for people. Even someone that has never done any work like this before. If no one is paying attention or no one cares. I will not bother with writing teks up like this. The rating just lets me know I am helping the community. A little tip here. I would check the last time I edited the tek before I did anything. I edit my teks about a thousand times. I am getting ready to edit it right now once again.


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Re: SHROOMSISAY01 55 GALLON STEAMER TEK. [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #25703647 - 12/26/18 12:26 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I want to do this at some point in the next couple years. Still recovering from my flowhood expense :lol:

Thanks for writing this up!!, it will surely be useful for me and many others :sun::gd_icon:


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Re: SHROOMSISAY01 55 GALLON STEAMER TEK. [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #25703865 - 12/26/18 02:23 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

What did it cost you to build the flow hood? I can buy premade flow hoods for $48.99 plus shipping but they will get cheaper thy measure 2' x 4' here is a picture of them they have 3 all the same size they cost over $1000 new...









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    #25704011 - 12/26/18 03:33 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Around $600 all said and done. I'm in Canada the filter alone was over $300. Unfortunately to get a cheaper filter would have been extremely expensive.

I wonder how much it would cost to ship one of those things here. I've been seeing those premade ones more and more


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Re: SHROOMSISAY01 55 GALLON STEAMER TEK. [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #25704092 - 12/26/18 04:17 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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What did it cost you to build the flow hood? I can buy premade flow hoods for $48.99 plus shipping but they will get cheaper thy measure 2' x 4' here is a picture of them they have 3 all the same size they cost over $1000 new...











Quote:

SHROOMSISAY01 said:
What did it cost you to build the flow hood? I can buy premade flow hoods for $48.99 plus shipping but they will get cheaper thy measure 2' x 4' here is a picture of them they have 3 all the same size they cost over $1000 new...











Quote:

SHROOMSISAY01 said:
What did it cost you to build the flow hood? I can buy premade flow hoods for $48.99 plus shipping but they will get cheaper thy measure 2' x 4' here is a picture of them they have 3 all the same size they cost over $1000 new...











Quote:

SHROOMSISAY01 said:
What did it cost you to build the flow hood? I can buy premade flow hoods for $48.99 plus shipping but they will get cheaper thy measure 2' x 4' here is a picture of them they have 3 all the same size they cost over $1000 new...












Damnit man! I just bought one about 2 months ago for $400. Where are you getting them for that price? That’s quite a steal!


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Re: SHROOMSISAY01 55 GALLON STEAMER TEK. [Re: jdfromjax]
    #25704134 - 12/26/18 04:40 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Man you are going to think I'm your nemesis because I'm disagreeing with you in the recent posts :lol:, but I think you're wrong. If it costs less than 50$ I fear that the HEPA you're talking about is not intended for laminar flow. I think the HEPa you're suggesting is for filtering air.


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Re: SHROOMSISAY01 55 GALLON STEAMER TEK. [Re: Inocybe]
    #25704256 - 12/26/18 05:35 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I have to build a flow hood to get up and running too. I've been seeing 100-200 Dollars for the filter alone..

Shipping usually costs me a fortune as I'm not in Europe or the US, but at those prices it would still come in way cheaper than building my own. I wouldn't mind knowing where you get them from. :grin:


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Re: SHROOMSISAY01 55 GALLON STEAMER TEK. [Re: Inocybe]
    #25704301 - 12/26/18 05:50 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I use two of these to make a 8 foot flow hood table. they coast about $1000 to $1200 each if bought new. Don't let the price fool you. Many mushroom growers use these. Gr0wer from Myers mushrooms made a video about them that is where I 1st found out about them. I have been using mine for over a year without a problem. They do have laminar flow. I tested the flow with smoke and a drinking glass. I paid $70 each for two of them and they were still new in the box.

I don't think you are my nemesis. Just skeptical.

Check out this video the one in this video is a much cheaper model than the one I put pictures of.



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    #25704511 - 12/26/18 07:35 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

You were talking about second hand hepas then, I thought that the price you said (49$) was for first hand ones  :facepalm3:

I like the compact they are, saving a lot of space on the table. Unfortunately I couldn't find that kind of hepas here yet, I had to built mine.

The thing about hepas is that no all the hepas are intended for laminar flow, so I think is important to explain it to people who are going to buy one. If they go to the cheaper option, they could make a mistake buying the wrong one (i've seen people buying furnance hepa filters and glueing them to a plastic tote and then a pc fan :lol:)


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    #25714465 - 12/31/18 07:45 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Definitely going to be following this guide to a T. Going to buy all the parts tomorrow considering I found a proper 55 gallon drum for this. Thanks again Shroom!


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    #25714561 - 12/31/18 08:50 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I forgot but I was going to ask how do you drain the barrel with this setup?


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    #25715724 - 01/01/19 10:14 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Awesome Guide. Not at that stage yet but definitely saving this for once I scale!


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    #25716328 - 01/01/19 02:25 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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I forgot but I was going to ask how do you drain the barrel with this setup?




Good Question I will have to add this to the TEK.

On My barrel, I actually have a drain valve. I never use it because it takes forever. I prefer using a pump it takes very little time. I only use about 4 gallons of water in the bottom of my barrel. 1" above and 1" below the element. Actually, I can't remember if it is 1" below the element. You have to keep the element high enough so you can get the nut on. After I pump out the water. I use a shop vacuum to get anything left. If you have more water you can use styrofoam to make it float to keep the head out of the water. Buying the pump is actually cheaper and way better in my opinion.

Here is what I use...

https://www.homedepot.com/p/DIAL-ECON5000-MaxCool-Evaporative-Cooler-Pump-1050/100158379

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    #25982876 - 05/09/19 10:53 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Oh fucken kayyy!!! I need this dumbed down.. I want the 130 gallon barrel ssteam sterilizer.. I dont need it to be electric I can set it on cement blocks with a burner under but if you can make it electric thats fine and I can add water.. My question is can i not use one of my pressure cookers without the weight and have that steam fed into the barrel.. Or what would you suggest.. I need the details and will be hireing someone to build it.. I would prefer to not have to get an engineer so the simpler the better but hey whatever you can help me with here...


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    #25982878 - 05/09/19 10:56 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I know I can buy one for 1800 but why when the parts are $400 and even if I had to hire an engineer that would be probably $500 for him to build it still leaving me at $900 instead of $1800, so help a sista out!!


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    #26024172 - 05/31/19 03:03 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I see a parts list, but not build instructions.  Happen to have a recommended link for instructions and tips on the actual construction and usage?

Also, what size substrate blocks do you use, and how many of them fit comfortably?


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    #26024242 - 05/31/19 04:41 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Deadset man, you have no idea how much  you mean to me ans this forum. Your input is helping so many people

And i so dam gratefull you are willing to help! Im going to be building this 55gal and your misting system. You are amazing

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    #26024480 - 05/31/19 09:34 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Deadset man, you have no idea how much  you mean to me ans this forum. Your input is helping so many people

And i so dam gratefull you are willing to help! Im going to be building this 55gal and your misting system. You are amazing

Well done & thankyou.




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I see a parts list, but not build instructions.  Happen to have a recommended link for instructions and tips on the actual construction and usage?

Also, what size substrate blocks do you use, and how many of them fit comfortably?




I meant to add instruction but I have not had the time to do it. I am getting ready to replace the drum on mine (hint. Don't bang on the bottom of the drum with a 3 lb sledge to get a bigger element in) so I will take pics and maybe make a video. PM me if you need help.


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    #26024521 - 05/31/19 10:01 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Oh fucken kayyy!!! I need this dumbed down.. I want the 130 gallon barrel ssteam sterilizer.. I dont need it to be electric I can set it on cement blocks with a burner under but if you can make it electric thats fine and I can add water.. My question is can i not use one of my pressure cookers without the weight and have that steam fed into the barrel.. Or what would you suggest.. I need the details and will be hireing someone to build it.. I would prefer to not have to get an engineer so the simpler the better but hey whatever you can help me with here...




I will build it for you if you want to pay for shipping and a little for labor $500 is a lot to pay for building this and I would not ask that much.

But if you are willing to fill with water and baby sit it for a long long time. I would just get a 30 or 55-gallon drum and Pipe a 1-inch steel pipe to my 130-gallon steamer. I would put a sight glass on the barrel with the water so you know when it needs water without removing the lid.

The water barrel will probably need to be replaced quite often because of the direct flame on the drum.

I would not use a pressure cooker you will be filling it every hour or close to it. Then you have to do to much work a 30 or 55-gallon drum is a better bet.


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    #26067626 - 06/22/19 02:03 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I have the pics I just have to make an accoubt to put em on then post em.


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    #26067946 - 06/22/19 06:16 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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    #26090956 - 07/05/19 04:22 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

So, stupid question i guess, but wouldn't this be the same concept as using a stock pot a la pf tek? Except bigger of course.

If so, then how can you cook spawn in this?


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    #26091492 - 07/05/19 01:17 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

You can sterilize anything with longer run time. The higher temp of a PC just reduces time.


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    #26091617 - 07/05/19 02:28 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Yeah, I had to look into this whole deal last night after I asked. I think it was 8 hours at pressure? But you're definitely doing more than 5 pc loads worth in it. Pretty sweet. I looked at a few different designs for these on here. I kinda get the idea, but I think I need to see a blueprint to really get the concept.

I mean, i get that there's a steam generator- big pot with a heater, that feeds into the barrel, which should be arranged in a manner that allows condensed water to drip back to the boiler.

You need a safety blow off valve on the sterilizer (which should never actually be activated), along with a pressure regulator( which ideally would only be minimally used). There should be a manometer attached to the barrel which would control the heating element via the pid controller, or would that be operated based on temperature since that would be directly correlated to the pressure? Ive only seen pids with temperature settings.

I feel like I'm missing something, and is definitely not a project I'd wanna forget something on


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    #26091849 - 07/05/19 05:38 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

The way it is set up is the PID controls the temp. I have mine set to 210F. Although the water boils or gets very close to boiling in the bottom of the drum the bags absorb a lot of the heat by the time it reaches the top of the drum and not much steam is released from the top of the drum. The PID's thermocouple is placed at the top of the drum not at the bottom or in the water. One or two 1/4" holes are drilled in the lid of the drum for any steam to escape and no pressure is built up inside the drum. The 1st sterilizer I built had a relief valve on it. No need for it though.


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    #26092429 - 07/06/19 01:11 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

i thought it was supposed to operate with a couple psi? Maybe that was someone else's version. Why did you opt for no pressure? And this one has the boiler unit and sterilization chamber as one piece. Sorry, I read through several different builds trying to wrap my head around this concept. I like the externally generated steam idea better, since it allows the barrel to be placed sideways, for easier loading. Though it would make construction more difficult.

But it seems like I am pretty much getting the idea then?


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    #26092723 - 07/06/19 08:23 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

A couple of PSI will make no difference. So why bother? Placing the drum on its side does not make loading easier. I guess it would help if you are like 2 foot tall and need to climb in the drum to pack the bags in. What it does do however is it makes the build harder and takes up more room. It also will cost more to build and causes you to lose space for filling the drum because you can not pack the bags in. The problems that you think are being solved are actually made harder by being placed on the side. But build the one you want.


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    #26092967 - 07/06/19 11:50 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

It seems to me it would be easier to reach to the back of the barrel sideways than to bend over and reach the bottom. I've never been able to do so easily. Idk I suppose i can't really argue seeing as how i don't have any actual practical knowledge here.

A lot of it is I'm going of RRs notes. A few people stated elsewhere that 220 is the magic number and it is much more prone to failure otherwise, hence low pressure to get to that. Also RR said he only required something like 6 or 8 quarts of water to run a cycle with his closed system build as opposed to you saying above that a 30 gallon drum would be needed.

I'm really just trying to get a good understanding of the whole concept right now since i just learnedthis is even an option


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Re: SHROOMSISAY01 55 GALLON STEAMER TEK. [Re: Soccrates]
    #26093159 - 07/06/19 02:10 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I don't know where I said 30 gallons is necessary. I think you read that wrong. I would like to read RR's notes because 8 quarts seems a little low to me although it might be possible. I use about 16 quarts of water give or take. 1 inch above the element and 1 inch below the element. If he is using an electric element I don't see how he is doing it without damaging the element. The reason an electric element is superior in my opinion is I do not have to babysit my steamer. I press a button and walk away and come back when it is cooled down. I then unload and spawn. I do not have to fill with water or babysit the steamer at all. 220F is about 2.5 PSI I run my steamer at 210F 10F difference is not going to make a big difference in run time. I run my steamer for 12 hours from the time I hit the button until the time it automatically shuts itself off. This time will vary according to the size heating element you decide to use. If you are looking to build a steamer. I don't mind helping you once you decide on how you want to build it.


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    #26093308 - 07/06/19 03:37 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Oh fucken kayyy!!! I need this dumbed down.. I want the 130 gallon barrel ssteam sterilizer.. I dont need it to be electric I can set it on cement blocks with a burner under but if you can make it electric thats fine and I can add water.. My question is can i not use one of my pressure cookers without the weight and have that steam fed into the barrel.. Or what would you suggest.. I need the details and will be hireing someone to build it.. I would prefer to not have to get an engineer so the simpler the better but hey whatever you can help me with here...




I will build it for you if you want to pay for shipping and a little for labor $500 is a lot to pay for building this and I would not ask that much.

But if you are willing to fill with water and baby sit it for a long long time. I would just get a 30 or 55-gallon drum and Pipe a 1-inch steel pipe to my 130-gallon steamer. I would put a sight glass on the barrel with the water so you know when it needs water without removing the lid.

The water barrel will probably need to be replaced quite often because of the direct flame on the drum.

I would not use a pressure cooker you will be filling it every hour or close to it. Then you have to do to much work a 30 or 55-gallon drum is a better bet.




Apparently i read it wrong. That was alsoin reference to a bigger unit.

I thought 8 quarts seemed pretty low too. But I tend to trust RR knows what he's talking about.

And your write up here basically just addresses the electrical components, so I went looking elsewhere to fill in the gaps. Granted, most of what I found was 10 years old or so.

I actually didn't even know some of these things you told me

So, let's see

You have the entire thing in 1. 55-gallon  drum

It operates at 210

Vents freely to the surrounding atmosphere with 2 1/4" holes

You seem to have it set up to maintain a set water level

Thermocouple at the top, substrate in the middle, water/heating coil/ fill setup at the bottom.

I'm assuming you have some kind of rack to keep the substrate out of the water. How high is that from the ground/water level


All of these are true? I think I'm getting a better idea here. How much substrate can you run at a time? RR said he could fit 100 lbs per run with the sideways unit

And it seems like you could alsopasteurize with this by adjusting the temp settings. And maybe moving the thermocouple.


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    #26093547 - 07/06/19 07:05 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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All of these are true? I think I'm getting a better idea here. How much substrate can you run at a time? RR said he could fit 100 lbs per run with the sideways unit

And it seems like you could also pasteurize with this by adjusting the temp settings. And maybe moving the thermocouple.




All is true. I am sure you get the idea now.

I am not sure how much sub I can fit in the drum. I only do 20 bags right now at a time. I could fit another 20 in there if I remember correctly. I will update this later if that is not correct I have to spawn today so I will be unpacking the steamer when I get done writing this. My bags weigh 6 1/4 lbs by my math I come up with 250 lbs but don't quote me on that. but even with just the 20 that I do now. I have 125 lbs. Either RR did not have his steamer to capacity or you did not read it right. He would only be able to fit 16 of the same size bags that I do in his steamer. But if I remember correctly he had racks in his steamer. Here would be a good place to mention that RR's style of build you will either need to have a welder of you will have to buy expensive bulkheads to connect the drums. I also do believe you lose some space in RR's. Simply because placing the bags in tight would be difficult.  Granted you lose some space in the one I built also because you have to have a float valve in the bottom of the drum. I have the rack that holds the sub about 6 to 8 inches off the bottom so the float can work easily and not get stuck. This space can be reduced by placing a smaller ball on the float. Or by using a water solenoid instead of a float. I just prefer the mechanical mechanism over the electronic one.

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    #26166003 - 09/02/19 10:20 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I like your work.


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    #26166014 - 09/02/19 10:35 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Thank you I tried to make it as simple as possible. I am going to revise this and make it easier by allowing people to buy what they need from kit.com that way you decide what you want to build and just click on it to buy everything needed. If I ever get the time to do it.


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    #26812192 - 07/09/20 07:22 AM (4 months, 23 days ago)

Sorry to revive an old thread but I'm in the middle or collecting parts to build a barrel.  The only barrels I can find locally have a "poly ceramic direct food contact inner lining".  Do you think they will work?  Not sure if that would be safe for my application, would hate for that lining to leech stuff into my bags.


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    #26812776 - 07/09/20 01:09 PM (4 months, 23 days ago)

A little tip here put a location under your name it will help us help you.

I would be a little afraid of those drums (drums are metal barrels are wood although a lot of people use the terms interchangeably) Search for Drum you may have better luck. From what I have read you may have a problem with the ceramic chipping when you drill it. Then cracking when you heat it. If it chips when you drill it for your element it will leak on your wiring. I personally would be afraid to use that drum.


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    #26812784 - 07/09/20 01:11 PM (4 months, 23 days ago)

I would contact the person that has the metal drums and ask them if they can find a drum without the ceramic coating.


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    #26812824 - 07/09/20 01:28 PM (4 months, 23 days ago)

Last case scenario I might try something like this...



If you end up trying something like this and it works make a post to help people in the future.

If you can't find another drum without the ceramic coating. I would just drill the drum [larger] FROM THE INSIDE and try using the drum first and see if you have a problem. If you do have a problem then I would try the video.


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    #26813754 - 07/09/20 09:37 PM (4 months, 22 days ago)

Looked around a bit today but didn't come across much.  Found some stainless steel ones a few hours away for around $400.  I'm located in CT. 

I definitely don't want to take the chances of something leeching into my bags or compromising the heating element.


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Re: SHROOMSISAY01 55 GALLON STEAMER TEK. [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #27050346 - 11/21/20 12:36 PM (12 days, 1 hour ago)

Nice TC tag


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