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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: Firstttimer]
    #25685066 - 12/17/18 11:08 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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What's benefits of casing layer when bulk growing? {cakes, all kind of spawns etc}




Moisture retention primarily, and some feel it protects exposed grains during colonization

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Have readed some but not many many like most of suggest but don't remember all shit and iam new to this hobby so one more dumb question, whats the point of dubtubing when you can leave lid ajar in bigger container, better fae?



Shoeboxes allow you to separate spawn into 1-2 qts per substrate, rather than losing 5+ qts to one bad qt... dubtub also allows FAE closer to the base of the fruit, rather than above it


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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: Caps McGee] * 1
    #25685075 - 12/17/18 11:11 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Spawned 2.5 Qt 1:2 in this (my first) mini mono

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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #25685203 - 12/17/18 11:46 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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IMO casing cubes is not productive if not counterproductive in some cases.



As much as i hate that this thread is becoming a discussion thread. I highly disagree. Casing can help a lot in dry environments.


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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #25685231 - 12/17/18 12:01 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Comes down to environment: I wouldn't advise casing for someone with a local RH in the 70%'s, but you'd likely be hard pressed to grow without one and maintain sufficient FAE in a dessert environment... some clusters?



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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: Caps McGee] * 1
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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #25685251 - 12/17/18 12:09 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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IMO casing cubes is not productive if not counterproductive in some cases.



As much as i hate that this thread is becoming a discussion thread. I highly disagree. Casing can help a lot in dry environments.



Your right, it can.
but ;for mono tubs at least) once you get you sub hydration down pat, casing even misting are not needed. I’ll give the sub a good hit with the humidifier after the 2nd flush if it looks dry (usually only needed for straw subs coir I can usually get all 3 untouched). I’ve ran a few cube trays in Martha and they did ok I mostly use Martha for species that do require casing tho so difficult to say. I can see it being beneficial on cakes and I e never ran a sgfc but I’m about to however it too will be a pan which requires casing.


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    #25685264 - 12/17/18 12:14 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)


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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: Failboat]
    #25685270 - 12/17/18 12:18 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #25685281 - 12/17/18 12:21 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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Jakeoncid419 said:
IMO casing cubes is not productive if not counterproductive in some cases.



As much as i hate that this thread is becoming a discussion thread. I highly disagree. Casing can help a lot in dry environments.



Your right, it can.
but ;for mono tubs at least) once you get you sub hydration down pat, casing even misting are not needed.



You don't live where I live. I need casing. I'm not in a dessert, but its winter time and 30RH.

10 were cased 3 were not cased. Surface moisture was held as best possible. The 10 cased were picture perfect. The 3 uncased had horrible results. This has held true for about 40 shoeboxes for me so far. Contamination in 2 one of them because 1 of my spawn jars was funky.


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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: Failboat] * 1
    #25685286 - 12/17/18 12:22 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Was Moses in that tub?



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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: CzM8]
    #25685293 - 12/17/18 12:25 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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Jakeoncid419 said:
IMO casing cubes is not productive if not counterproductive in some cases.



As much as i hate that this thread is becoming a discussion thread. I highly disagree. Casing can help a lot in dry environments.



Your right, it can.
but ;for mono tubs at least) once you get you sub hydration down pat, casing even misting are not needed.



You don't live where I live. I need casing. I'm not in a dessert, but its winter time and 30RH.

10 were cased 3 were not cased. Surface moisture was held as best possible. The 10 cased were picture perfect. The 3 uncased had horrible results. This has held true for about 40 shoeboxes for me so far. Contamination in 2 one of them because 1 of my spawn jars was funky.





Hmm it’s pretty dry here too (northern east coast USA) what are you using for sub?


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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #25685300 - 12/17/18 12:30 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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IMO casing cubes is not productive if not counterproductive in some cases.



As much as i hate that this thread is becoming a discussion thread. I highly disagree. Casing can help a lot in dry environments.



:whathesaid:

i live in a very dry environment and i have to case all my grows if i want a good yield. and PE won't even grow normal looking fruits unless i give it a casing layer.


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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: FriedEgg]
    #25685322 - 12/17/18 12:44 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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IMO casing cubes is not productive if not counterproductive in some cases.



As much as i hate that this thread is becoming a discussion thread. I highly disagree. Casing can help a lot in dry environments.



:whathesaid:

i live in a very dry environment and i have to case all my grows if i want a good yield. and PE won't even grow normal looking fruits unless i give it a casing layer.



Interesting I can’t imagine it gets much drier than it is here right now my lips are chapped as fuck maybe just different substrate hydration or make up I also have a slightly different tub design then most,  but I just ran dancing tiger B+ , maz  Without casing got full tubs  for most part. Got hultula pinning now (no casing)   I suppose I can go get an exact humidity reading for the room.  And I have nothing against using it I’ve just never found it necessary aside from penis envy. but I’ve also seen penis envy grown very successfully with no casing on straw. I suppose I could case this tub of APE I’m about to make up and see if I notice any difference it’s been a while since I’ve tried to Case cube


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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #25685332 - 12/17/18 12:48 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Jake, maybe ur tubs are just dialed in better. U seem to be on point with that polyfill. If a tub is dialed in right it shouldn't matter much on the environment. The tub should hold it's own microclimate.

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    #25685345 - 12/17/18 01:01 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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Jake, maybe ur tubs are just dialed in better. U seem to be on point with that polyfill. If a tub is dialed in right it shouldn't matter much on the environment. The tub should hold it's own microclimate.



That’s kinda what I’m getting. at not saying there is anything wrong with casing but IMO A mono tub done correctly can kick out three flushes without assistance. Just saves time and material to get field capacity down near perfect


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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: CzM8]
    #25685382 - 12/17/18 01:20 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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Your right, it can.
but ;for mono tubs at least) once you get you sub hydration down pat, casing even misting are not needed.



You don't live where I live. I need casing. I'm not in a dessert, but its winter time and 30RH.

10 were cased 3 were not cased. Surface moisture was held as best possible. The 10 cased were picture perfect. The 3 uncased had horrible results. This has held true for about 40 shoeboxes for me so far. Contamination in 2 one of them because 1 of my spawn jars was funky.





A shoebox gets more fresh air than a 6 hole mono :shrug: an unmodified mono gets more fae than a 6 hole mono.monos have more total water in the substrate than individual shoeboxes. Hes right a mono is set and forget and shoeboxes may or may not be set and forget.


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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: nube424]
    #25685401 - 12/17/18 01:33 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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Jake, maybe ur tubs are just dialed in better. U seem to be on point with that polyfill. If a tub is dialed in right it shouldn't matter much on the environment. The tub should hold it's own microclimate.



:noway2: a tub will dry out way faster in the sahara desert vs florida. in the desert, you have bone dry air constantly coming in your mono. of course it'll dry out faster and be harder to give max FAE while keeping the RH up. monotubs are definitely not set it and forget it in all environments. i even have to mist mine every day or two when i crank up the FAE.

my hygrometer says 18% RH right now in my room. that's pretty fuckin low and it's really not that dry outside today. of course i can grow standard cubes without a casing layer but i don't get insane pinsets like when i use one.

if it takes me a little extra time to throw a casing layer on there, why not do it? it gives me a better pinset, greater yield, and most importantly it makes the fruiting process easier and less maintenance.

i've grown hundreds of tubs (maybe > 1000 ) with different levels of substrate hydration, polyfill arrangements, etc. and that's the conclusion i've come to. :shrug:


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