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Kratom withdrawal's no joke...
    #25681730 -

Yes, first of all I acknowledge that it's idiots like me that are giving this plant a bad name.

But damn, this is way worse than I expected. I was taking a of about eight grams white maeng da two to three times a day at my peak usage. Of course, that was after a few months of gradually increasing dosage.

Last couple weeks I've been consciously decreasing my dosage and do I feel terrible.
I'm now down to about four grams a day, and I can't ride in a car, walk, or do much of anything without vomiting. I feel like a pregnant woman. I went from shitting once a week max with tremendous difficulty to not being able to stop shitting.

I find the mental symptoms to go away pretty quickly, it's nothing compared to the physical icky feeling. My nerves are constantly overstimulated, my arms and legs feel like they're made of lead, I'm getting brain zaps, and I'm constantly anxious (guess that's a mental effect).

Moral of the story, don't take kratom daily at any dose.

On the bright side, Burroughs makes a lot more sense to me now.

Any tips to get through this? Non-kratom ways to reduce the symptoms?


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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: saythatagain]
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Exercise
Hydration
Magnesium
Gabapentin
Ambien if you have restless leg syndrome from withdrawal
Time


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:kratom:

Edited by pslyke (12/15/18 07:55 PM)

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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: pslyke]
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IME kratom withdrawal is very short lived. I was taking like 40g a day 5x a week a couple of years back and when I stopped I felt like shit for about 60 hours then I was fine. Could be different for others but I would suggest you just take some antihistamines and try to sleep it off

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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: morrowasted]
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I had no psychological issues past about 48 hours. The physical stuff lasted around a week.
It sucks. Quit, suck it up, and do the time.
It's worth it. No doubt, it sucks.
But for me it beats waking up at 4am to put my restless legs to sleep.


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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: saythatagain] * 3
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If you think thats bad just wait until you get on heroin...



P s. Dont get on heroin.


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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: mndfreeze]
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Yeah kratom withdrawal was pretty uncomfortable and long lasting for me. I only use it once a week now and that works much better.

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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: mndfreeze]
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If u think thats bad try roxy/oxy wds, they make the wds long lasting.


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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: thirtygoats]
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I quit for three days and found it a breeze, but I think it was pslyke said that wasnt long enough to feel the worse of it

my contract ends december 31st but they want me to stay on a little longer cause they havnt hired anyone yet, when im done work I may take a longer break to see


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But he's probably just thanking the Lord
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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: gopher]
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I only try on Kratom maybe 8 months. I must consume at least 7 grams three times daily. If not the horrible begin taking it’s effect.

I would more than heart to quitting stopping the Kratom but I feel like I’m past that. I have read about tapering. Has any of you any luck? I do not wish to quit 100 percent because of back pain and I prefer Kratom over pills.


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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: Dirty Dave]
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I've been hitting it hard the last three months. . I've been tossing and washing 6 grams twice a day. Just took six grams of green Vietnam. I plan on tapering down after Christmas.


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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: amungus]
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I get em but they’re easily ignored it’s mostly lethargy I’m sorry to hear your vomiting and stuff have you used harder opiates in the past?  I was addicted in a deadly manner (quite literally OD’d in a Wal-Mart in a shitty city an hour away from home
With no ride.  The feeling of being narcan’d back to life and going into the worst withdrawals imaginable even made the fentanyl kick seem easier.  I guess what I’m
Trying to say is the symptoms of kratom don’t ever make me
Vomit from
Withdrawal so I empathize with you.  Hang in there
I would smoke some weed about it my man


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theRealrollforever said:
That’s not possible; even with computers

Edited by theRealrollforever (12/16/18 11:04 AM)

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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: theRealrollforever]
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I'd I ate a kilo in two months than stopped cold turkey. Didn't feel anything.

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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: paradoxlost]
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Everyone’s chemistry is different. My girlfriend can eat and eat and eat on the cocaine, but pretty much everyone else will not even have the idea of food.

Any suggestions on tapering down? I would like to get down to 3 - 4 grams 3 times a day. I’m already consuming magnesium every night before bed. Anything else that might help?


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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: saythatagain]
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saythatagain said:
Yes, first of all I acknowledge that it's idiots like me that are giving this plant a bad name.

But damn, this is way worse than I expected. I was taking a of about eight grams white maeng da two to three times a day at my peak usage. Of course, that was after a few months of gradually increasing dosage.

Last couple weeks I've been consciously decreasing my dosage and do I feel terrible.
I'm now down to about four grams a day, and I can't ride in a car, walk, or do much of anything without vomiting. I feel like a pregnant woman. I went from shitting once a week max with tremendous difficulty to not being able to stop shitting.

I find the mental symptoms to go away pretty quickly, it's nothing compared to the physical icky feeling. My nerves are constantly overstimulated, my arms and legs feel like they're made of lead, I'm getting brain zaps, and I'm constantly anxious (guess that's a mental effect).

Moral of the story, don't take kratom daily at any dose.

On the bright side, Burroughs makes a lot more sense to me now.

Any tips to get through this? Non-kratom ways to reduce the symptoms?


Damn, that sucks for you.


I used 40 grams at the most daily for about 6 months and barely felt mental withdrawals.

everyone is different

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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: Dirty Dave]
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That's the right approach. People have incredibly different responses to kratom withdrawal-- ranging from nothing to reasonably horrible.

Tapering certainly helps with the severity, although I did not notice that it shortens the duration of WD.

Magnesium is good, gabapentin, if you can get some is even better for the restless legs.

Best thing I have found is exercise-- to the point of exhaustion. I suspecct it is because your body releases endorphins which help stave of symptoms.

Good luck!


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"What appears impenetrable to us does exist, manifesting itself in the deepest wisdom and the most radiant beauty" Einstein

"The conservatives of 70 years ago would be outraged at what has come to pass. It embodies everything they took up arms for to defeat"Asante


:kratom:

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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: Dirty Dave]
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Dirty Dave said:
Everyone’s chemistry is different. My girlfriend can eat and eat and eat on the cocaine, but pretty much everyone else will not even have the idea of food.

Any suggestions on tapering down? I would like to get down to 3 - 4 grams 3 times a day. I’m already consuming magnesium every night before bed. Anything else that might help?


Yeah make capsules.  It’s more work but easier to keep track of dosage and the extra work prevent me from taking it sometimes.  Other than that it’s just willlower you have to want and believe things will get better and actively remind yourself or your suffering will be in vain


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theRealrollforever said:
That’s not possible; even with computers

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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: theRealrollforever] * 1
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2 grams is the sweet spot.  It's the best medicinal dosage.  8 grams is a waste.  40 grams is a huge dissapointment.  Kratom is only so intoxicating.  Dosing more gives more day dreams than buzz load.  Honestly it makes more sense to use opium than over load with kratom.


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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: Morel Guy]
    #25683703 -

That’s just, like, your opinion...man


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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: Morel Guy]
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Quote:
I'm now down to about four grams a day, and I can't ride in a car, walk, or do much of anything without vomiting. I feel like a pregnant woman. I went from shitting once a week max with tremendous difficulty to not being able to stop shitting.


Everyone is different but that does sound a bit weird, are you sure it's not at least partially unrelated? What were you using the kratom for?

I don't think I've ever heard of kratom withdrawal causing people to vomit or shit like that.

Next time try a more steady taper, unless you run out there's not really any reason to just suddenly stop or take way lower doses. I've heard of people cutting their doses in half and getting better effects though, less is more can be true for many people. But it helps to taper down and take a tolerance break.


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You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: musiclover420]
    #25683799 -

Starting tomorrow I will lower my dose by 1 gram... the idea is to lower dose one gram at time every 2 to 3 weeks. I have about 1.5 kilos so there is definitely wiggle room.

I am currently 7gs 3 to 4 times a day.


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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: Dirty Dave]
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Dirty Dave said:
Starting tomorrow I will lower my dose by 1 gram... the idea is to lower dose one gram at time every 2 to 3 weeks. I have about 1.5 kilos so there is definitely wiggle room.

I am currently 7gs 3 to 4 times a day.


Or even try .5g less per dose every couple days. You may end up realizing 3-4g or less does the trick.


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Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky

You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free


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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: musiclover420]
    #25683964 -

Years of almost daily use and when not using....nothing.  No wd’s at all :shrug:

I guess I got really lucky.


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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: saythatagain] * 3
    #25684173 -

Have you tried Heroin AM? I hear its all the rage..



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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: Urb] * 1
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Urb said:
Have you tried Heroin AM? I hear its all the rage..




I prefer heroin PM but to each their own


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theRealrollforever said:
That’s not possible; even with computers

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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: saythatagain]
    #25684242 -

I learned the hard way once that Kratom has bad WD effects. I never again went through it.

At the peak of my ussage I was using 4-8 grams a day.


But only for a few days. Quitting was rough. I felt like I wanted to die. It hurt so bad.

Now a days I use Kratom, but more wise .

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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: theRealrollforever]
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Ha :lol:

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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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I saw no benefit of taking more than two grams.  Perhaps dosed every 3 to 4 hours. 

Kratom is mostly good for coming off of opiates.  That's they only way I see using more than 2 grams at a time.  Taking more than two grams increases side effects and withdrawals.  2 grams isn't all that hard to stop using.


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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: Morel Guy]
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Morel Guy said:
2 grams isn't all that hard to stop using.


I agree, except for me it's 3 grams. and 3 grams REALLY get's me going. Once a day is enough

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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: Fiery]
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Well aren’t you guys the cool guys.


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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: Dirty Dave]
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2 grams is almost too much for me sometimes now that my tolerance is back to baseline. I get bad nausea, dizziness and a headache if i go above 2 grams in a single dose.

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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: Dirty Dave]
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sometimes I take kratom cause it kills my appetite for an hour or it might be just all the water I drink with it


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For most of the normies out there, an operating system is just a bootloader for Google Chrome.

And I don't know what the mantis is praying for
But he's probably just thanking the Lord
That he don't live in a home
And he don't got a phone
And he don't sit around all angry and bored
(He's just a bug)

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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: gopher]
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i take 2 teaspoons a dose so 5 grams I think


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For most of the normies out there, an operating system is just a bootloader for Google Chrome.

And I don't know what the mantis is praying for
But he's probably just thanking the Lord
That he don't live in a home
And he don't got a phone
And he don't sit around all angry and bored
(He's just a bug)

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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: sacramentum] * 1
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sacramentum said:
2 grams is almost too much for me sometimes now that my tolerance is back to baseline. I get bad nausea, dizziness and a headache if i go above 2 grams in a single dose.


Agreed, especially some extra potent/sedating reds.

Even 1.5g can put me on the edge of nausea sometimes.


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Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky

You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free


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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: musiclover420]
    #25685628 -

I started 6 grams today with no issue.


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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: Dirty Dave]
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Dirty Dave said:
I started 6 grams today with no issue.


Have you tried mixing lower doses with things that can potentiate kratom? There are a few things people swear by as making kratom stronger, haven't tried many myself but grapefruit is a good one.

Also heard freezing your dose with lemon juice + water can make it stronger, something about converting alkaloids I think.


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Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky

You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free


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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: musiclover420]
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Doubt more potent as much as bioavailabilty.


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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: Morel Guy]
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its the red dot


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For most of the normies out there, an operating system is just a bootloader for Google Chrome.

And I don't know what the mantis is praying for
But he's probably just thanking the Lord
That he don't live in a home
And he don't got a phone
And he don't sit around all angry and bored
(He's just a bug)

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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: Morel Guy]
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Morel Guy said:
Doubt more potent as much as bioavailabilty.


Semantics. Potency is relative, if it becomes more bioavailable and gives stronger effects it will seem like an increase in potency.

Also with stuff like Bentuangie or freezing kratom it supposedly causes conversion in the alkaloids, which in theory could actually lead to a more potent alkaloid profile.

Bentuangie is supposedly fermented kratom, they sun cure it or something weird which causes alkaloids to convert to 7-hydroxymytragynine or whatever. Which supposedly gives more sedating effects.


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Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky

You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free


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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
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Morel Guy said:
Doubt more potent as much as bioavailabilty.


Potentiation is an increase in bioavailability lolol

:guiltyascharged:

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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: stzacrack]
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Hmmm. I have not read anything about potentially increasing the bioavailability of said Kratom. Interesting though. Very interesting.

:tuffshuff:


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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: Dirty Dave]
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Dirty Dave said:
Hmmm. I have not read anything about potentially increasing the bioavailability of said Kratom. Interesting though. Very interesting.

:tuffshuff:


There's pretty much just anecdotal evidence but I've heard good things about some like the freezing method.

Also there's a lot of tips out there for things that help with specific side effects, like constipation. Or ways to help reduce parts of the withdrawals such as restless legs, I think magnesium helps with both apparently.


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Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky

You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free


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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: saythatagain]
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saythatagain said:
Any tips to get through this? Non-kratom ways to reduce the symptoms?


Well I'm not sure about kratom specifically, but I've been through withdrawals from oxycodone and dilaudid.  Things that helped me were weed, gabapentin, xanax, immodium for the diarrhea (which is a legal OTC drug), and adderall.  Luckily I don't get nausea or vomiting, but I do get the chills, hot/cold sweats, dysphoria, constant yawning, and insomnia.  The weird thing is adderall seemed to help the most and make me feel almost normal again.


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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: AmericanPsycho]
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The immodium is an opiod that can't cross the blood brain barrier. It slows down your bowels in the same way that opiates/opioids do it. People will sometimes take higher than suggested amounts of immodium to help with withdrawals.

Physicians are now starting to see people come in that took 50-100 and they start to develop cardiac issues that can be lethal.


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"What appears impenetrable to us does exist, manifesting itself in the deepest wisdom and the most radiant beauty" Einstein

"The conservatives of 70 years ago would be outraged at what has come to pass. It embodies everything they took up arms for to defeat"Asante


:kratom:

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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: pslyke]
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Brain zaps suuuck


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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: pslyke]
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pslyke said:
People will sometimes take higher than suggested amounts of immodium to help with withdrawals.

Physicians are now starting to see people come in that took 50-100 and they start to develop cardiac issues that can be lethal.


Wow, that's interesting, I haven't heard of that.  I really hope they don't schedule it, that would suck!  I usually just take one and that's enough to stop the diarrhea.


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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: AmericanPsycho] * 1
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I have been waking up around 3am with aching restless muscles. I usually get up and dose. I’m out in about 15 min.


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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: Dirty Dave] * 1
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That's when I knew it was time to quit.


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I am just an atom in an ectoplasmic sea without direction or a reason to exist.
The anechoic nebula rotating in my brain is persuading me, contritely, to persist.

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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: goslugsgo]
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I have no problem tapering down personally it’s a pretty good aid for me.  I do feel chronic use disrupts emotions and stuff similarly but lacks the physical aspect a good fentanyl kick has.  Hope OP and all like him feel better soon.


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theRealrollforever said:
That’s not possible; even with computers

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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: theRealrollforever] * 1
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I’m down 5gs 4x a day. I was 8gs... I would like to drop to 3gs 4-5x day


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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: Dirty Dave]
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I picked up a kilo.  I’m just gonna ignore it and if it gets rough just sip enough to get to baseline.  I really thought I was done withdrawing from shit at this point in my life..:oldman:


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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: Amanita86]
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Good luck. I tried that once but ended up taking more. It’s lijevtrying to save cocaine.


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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: Dirty Dave]
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:lol:  ..I may have scooped a little heavy.:paranoid:


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Re: Kratom withdrawal's no joke... [Re: Amanita86]
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It's hard to save felonies like cocaine.  It's one situation less is more.


Doing drugs alone makes it harder to stop.


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