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Offlinefaelr
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human beings. the perfect machine.
    #2566837 - 04/16/04 07:09 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

complex system working for each other if one system fails the machine as a whole is weakend, and in the worst case crashes. the best thing about this machine is it can make itself stronger and more mobile and has the ability to find it's own energy sources. if it cannot, it uses the stored energy for use. this machine is self aware and before it's body is no longer in use it sends all the data it's kept to the next living line of termianls.
i've always thought the mind could survive without the body and it's the body that can't survive without the mind.


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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: faelr]
    #2566883 - 04/16/04 07:32 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

i've always thought the mind could survive without the body and it's the body that can't survive without the mind.

Without it's partner, the either are fairly useless, until the technology is formed to create cyborg/brain relations.

The mind needs the body to supply blood and oxygen to the brain.

The body needs the mind to operate and control the body.

So it is essentially a sine qua non relationship between the two entities.

Perhaps you uncalculatedly meant our ghost/spirit/soul/ethereal-entity?



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Offlinefaelr
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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #2570213 - 04/17/04 02:13 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

no no. clearly you meant the brain. your brain isn't you. you are how you think. stay out of the dick-tionary. it's worthless.


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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: faelr]
    #2570486 - 04/17/04 08:21 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

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faelr said:
no no. clearly you meant the brain. your brain isn't you. you are how you think. stay out of the dick-tionary. it's worthless.




a) your brain isn't you. you are how you think.
b) stay out of the dick-tionary. it's worthless.

Support your both parts of your statement with evidence.

Who says I am what I think? I am what others think I should think and what others think I shouldn't think. My brain creates these thought processes which were innate, and our environment creates language, our cognition towards society, and ultimately our perception. The brain itself is extremely adaptive and absorbent, but we are born with an unused chalkboard. Life writes on us; we are our experiences, nothing more.

If you want proof look up a girl who was locked up in an attic until she was seven years of age with no humanly contact. She was animalistic. (I forget her name, but it is a popular study in developmental psychology).


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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: faelr]
    #2570499 - 04/17/04 08:37 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

By the way, human beings are far from the perfect machine. I haven't slept all night and I am very fatigued so I will list my reasons at a later time if requested.


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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: daba]
    #2570513 - 04/17/04 08:48 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

"Life writes on us; we are our experiences, nothing more."

look a little deeper.  what is your true essence?  essence means that which doesn't change, or your true nature.  if you want evidence, think about this...can your memories be wiped away?? how about your personality? I know I've had mine do that when I experienced ego-loss.

this means what YOU are isn't even your experiences because they CAN be changed.  so can your personality.  this happens even naturally over long periods of time.

so if you are not that, what is your essence?  notice that even when your personality goes, and your memories are gone, YOU can sti;ll percive the world around you.  TO me our essential nature is awareness.  this is what doesn't change, even under the influence of drugs (until you die that is :smile:)

to get a better understanding.. I posted something on this on trendals thread...that is if your interested and want to have a kick ass conversation :grin:  it's not that long either..

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you said we are the mind, but really the mind is a tool that we use to percieve reality.  remember it is called "your personality"  "your mind" "your memories", doesn't mean that memories, personality, nor your mind is YOU. YOU percieve, that is your awareness gathers in information, and it is the mind/personality that determines how you experience this.


Think of it as your mind as a computer.  you are the operator, how you feel are programs, while your memories are stored in the disk space.  You are the one looking at the screen...you're not the screen itself.


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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: faelr]
    #2572786 - 04/18/04 01:09 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

faelr

Congratulations you've created western medicine! Or at least you're an example of the mentality it was born from. Neat eh?

I'm afraid the mind cannot be separated from the body. Thus have I spake, so it is.

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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2573232 - 04/18/04 05:26 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

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Mixomatosis said:
faelr

Congratulations you've created western medicine! Or at least you're an example of the mentality it was born from. Neat eh?

I'm afraid the mind cannot be separated from the body. Thus have I spake, so it is.



you'e afraid. thats why your mind can't leave it's shell. thats what i know.


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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: daba]
    #2573234 - 04/18/04 05:30 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

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daba said:
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faelr said:
no no. clearly you meant the brain. your brain isn't you. you are how you think. stay out of the dick-tionary. it's worthless.




a) your brain isn't you. you are how you think.
b) stay out of the dick-tionary. it's worthless.

Support your both parts of your statement with evidence.

where there is doubt, you can find success....under it's feet.

Who says I am what I think? I am what others think I should think and what others think I shouldn't think. My brain creates these thought processes which were innate, and our environment creates language, our cognition towards society, and ultimately our perception. The brain itself is extremely adaptive and absorbent, but we are born with an unused chalkboard. Life writes on us; we are our experiences, nothing more.

If you want proof look up a girl who was locked up in an attic until she was seven years of age with no humanly contact. She was animalistic. (I forget her name, but it is a popular study in developmental psychology).




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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: faelr]
    #2573313 - 04/18/04 07:15 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

I'm waiting for some support to your claims, faelr.


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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: daba]
    #2573341 - 04/18/04 08:09 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

The natural order of all things in the Universe supports this. All energy systems are recycled within a closed system (the Universe). This includes energy, atoms, everything. Well it is my opinion that consciousness is a form of energy that is recycled within the Universe.

And yes I think that during this life time, this mechanism of awareness (my body) was designated for me so that I may continue to walk the path of evolution and creation. Soon, I will shed myself from this shell and move on to another.


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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: daba]
    #2581344 - 04/20/04 02:13 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

you obviously haven't experienced extreme ego loss. you aren't your experiences if you we're your experience then you'd be in total control of them...well guess what shit happens! you are the dreamer and in this dream we share, called reality, you get to see a life time of experiences and none of them are you. they may have shaped the way YOU think but thats all. can i ask, whose in control of your fate, you or everyone else?
good conversation by the way!
and yes....where there is doubt you'll find success right under it feet!


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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: faelr]
    #2581526 - 04/20/04 05:28 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

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faelr said:
you obviously haven't experienced extreme ego loss.




faelr: You don't know anything about me so please do not assume anything.

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faelr said:
no no. clearly you meant the brain. your brain isn't you. you are how you think. stay out of the dick-tionary. it's worthless.





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faelr said:
you'e afraid. thats why your mind can't leave it's shell. thats what i know.




You seem to know a lot about people (who you perhaps have spoken to for the first time on this thread) who you hardly know, including myself. You also seem to know whats right and whats wrong for others.

How do you know these things? What makes your experience valid for anyone else? Who are you to tell me what I feel, or what I think?

You still have not given me any proof of your statements, just generalized quotes. Here's a new one for you: "Sincerely, the most deluded always travel the best path in their own brains." I'll let you think about that; that is, if you can break out of YOUR shell.

To answer your question: I personally believe that no one is in control of anything. Everything happened this way and could not have happened any other way. Everything is predetermined, and to think one has control of anythng is quite fallacious.

Also, the dictionary is a very useful tool. Maybe we are living in reality, and you dwell by yourself in your ignis fatuus. Nevertheless, everything is in the eye of the beholder. :3rd_eye:

P.S., if you had eaten a large amount of psychadellics and now claim that you have seen the light, cache the thought that light may be merely an overanalyzation of your own livelihood. Do not speak for others!


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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: daba]
    #2585269 - 04/20/04 11:39 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

you think everything is predetermined and i think otherwise.
i cannot explain anything i said to you. the words i speak are for those of a like mind. me trying to explain my words to you is useless, we are 2 people on 2 different paths and my words would fall on deaf ears.
you use facts backed up by what you've read and heard. i don't bother with facts because somewhere on the timeline they quickly become fiction. so believe what you want about me or don't believe anything at all, it's all your choice....but according to you that would be predetermined as well.

you can say what you want, in the end no one is listening.


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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: daba]
    #2585363 - 04/20/04 11:53 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

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daba said:
P.S., if you had eaten a large amount of psychadellics and now claim that you have seen the light, cache the thought that light may be merely an overanalyzation of your own livelihood. Do not speak for others!



for someone you doesn't like assuming you do a good job of it. i said these are the things that i know. not the things i know of you. but i can understand how things can be quickly misconstrued on a message bored. if you don't agree with what i say then don't. it's no sweat off my sack!

i hate dictionaries because,to me, they try and describe the meaning of a word with more words. that is like, to me, try to put together a puzzle by adding more pieces. did you notice that dictionaries keep getting bigger, yeah words are made up and used in different ways all the time. hence my belief for them being useless. ain't ain't a word 'cause it ain't in the dictionary, i remember spatting out those words in grade school....well ain't is a word 'cause it's now in the dictionary. no book is going to tell me how to speak and that is the end of it! hahha

just because i did a large amount of shrooms and experienced something great doesn't for one second mean that that is how i induce them.
i am native american (look up nipmuck) and astral travel is apart of our heritage. so don't assume that i've become the way i am overnight. i am that i am.
anyway this makes for good argument so keep it going :smile:


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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: faelr]
    #2585883 - 04/21/04 02:31 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Agreed. Time does consume all.

Nonetheless, you claim that you do not use "facts" because they will dissipate in time. But this comes down to the dilemma analgous to the scenario "if a tree falls in the woods and no one is around..." with regards noise.

Of course that is up for debate, but my perspective is if something is there and has always been there (unless you believe in solipsism [sp?]) it doesn't matter if you are aware of its precense or not. Then again, I have already stated a counter-argument.

It is hard to understand your typed words because of grammatical errors, but I have an idea of what you are trying to say. My response: although we disagree, live and let live.

By the way, the "official" way to make a word is to make it satisfy two conditions: 1. The word must be pronouncable. 2. You must attach some sort of meaning to it. That is why the dictionary keeps getting larger. To elucidate, "eegl-glorp" means "to dance angrily" in my jargon. Since I have satisfied the two conditions, then "eegl-glorp" is a word. This is hypothetical of course, but lo and behold I am a creator of words!


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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: daba]
    #2585912 - 04/21/04 02:44 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

gramatical errors...what do you mean!
hahaha i type to fast for my own good.
in my perspective, the tree in the forrest doesn't make a sound. the forest doesn't exist. until i see the forest and the fallen tree i'm not going to believe it ever existed in the first place.....we don't think that differently, we just apply our opinion to different context. :smile:


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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: daba]
    #2585919 - 04/21/04 02:48 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

daba said:
lo and behold I am a creator of words!



damn i gotta try that! hahhahha


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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: faelr]
    #2586654 - 04/21/04 11:29 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

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faelr said:
in my perspective, the tree in the forrest doesn't make a sound. the forest doesn't exist. until i see the forest and the fallen tree i'm not going to believe it ever existed in the first place.....we don't think that differently, we just apply our opinion to different context. :smile:




That is sort of effectively ignorant, don't you think? I haven't experienced being in what is known as the city of Tokyo, but I have experienced evidence to suggest that it is there. Unless it has been a very intricate and elaborate hoax....  :smirk:

We have our consciousness and everything else might be observed by it, but that doesn't mean that there isn't anything outside of our consciousness that is to be experienced.

It is important to come to understand what consciousness is and how it perceives reality, but that doesn't mean that there isn't a reality existing beyond it. Our every idea of what reality actually is we only know because of our state of awareness, our consciousness, but it is still out there, existing without any inherent meaning. :grin:

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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2586657 - 04/21/04 11:32 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Unless it has been a very intricate and elaborate hoax....

Dang! How did you find out?


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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: Swami]
    #2586668 - 04/21/04 11:37 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

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Swami said:
Dang! How did you find out?






My spirit guide told me. :wink:

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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2586674 - 04/21/04 11:40 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

*Ahem* Hate to break it to you, but your spirit guide was in on the hoax. Now he is using disinformation to confuse you further.


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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: Swami]
    #2586785 - 04/21/04 12:12 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Well, at least I'm not as confused as those millions of poor souls who think they are living in Tokyo... :lol:

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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: faelr]
    #2586932 - 04/21/04 12:59 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

human beings the perfect machine??

Disgusting. How much more alienated from ones body and from life can we get, if we truly believe our species is the perfect machine? Living beings are not machines, nor do we resemble them in any way. Perhaps out alienated, oppressive civilization is a machine which forces us all to be cogs but we are, essentially, nothing of the sort.

Humanity is beautiful, imperfect, chaotic life beyond any structure, system or mechanical existance.

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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #2587509 - 04/21/04 03:56 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

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Disgusting. How much more alienated from ones body and from life can we get, if we truly believe our species is the perfect machine? Living beings are not machines, nor do we resemble them in any way.




Sure we resemble machines. The entire nature of our ability to move is machinery at its finest. I don't even know if we have made robots that can move as fluidly as we do...

And then there is carrying out a specific action... when I wash dishes, I am a machine carrying out a task. I was programmed to do that task, I learned the automations. We're some of the most advanced and multi-purpose machines around. :grin:

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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #2587842 - 04/21/04 06:08 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

how is that we can't be compared to machines? that's just being blind isn't it? saying that there is NO WAY to compare ourselves with machines. what about the computer, that can be modled after the mind quite well.

we have memory (disk space) but we also have RAM that we use in the course of our day. we need to s"shut ourselves off" go to sleep even, in order for us to function at our prime levels during the day. same with the comp, you leave it on for too long, it gets bogged down by all the programs

can't humans be programmed? aren't shows on TV called programs? I say the computer can really be compared well with the mind. I don't have any proof to support this, but would it be possible that the comp was modeled after ourselves. the way I see it at least, a lot of what mankind does with machines has already been done by nature. we like to duplicate it

secondly, why are you going to assign the value judgement to disgusting? how is it disgusting to you?


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2587844 - 04/21/04 06:08 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

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fireworks_god said:
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NiamhNyx said:
Disgusting. How much more alienated from ones body and from life can we get, if we truly believe our species is the perfect machine? Living beings are not machines, nor do we resemble them in any way.




Sure we resemble machines. The entire nature of our ability to move is machinery at its finest. I don't even know if we have made robots that can move as fluidly as we do...

And then there is carrying out a specific action... when I wash dishes, I am a machine carrying out a task. I was programmed to do that task, I learned the automations. We're some of the most advanced and multi-purpose machines around. :grin:

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Peace. :mushroom2:


damn right!


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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2587852 - 04/21/04 06:12 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

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faelr said:
in my perspective, the tree in the forrest doesn't make a sound. the forest doesn't exist. until i see the forest and the fallen tree i'm not going to believe it ever existed in the first place.....we don't think that differently, we just apply our opinion to different context. :smile:




That is sort of effectively ignorant, don't you think? I haven't experienced being in what is known as the city of Tokyo, but I have experienced evidence to suggest that it is there. Unless it has been a very intricate and elaborate hoax....  :smirk:

We have our consciousness and everything else might be observed by it, but that doesn't mean that there isn't anything outside of our consciousness that is to be experienced.

It is important to come to understand what consciousness is and how it perceives reality, but that doesn't mean that there isn't a reality existing beyond it. Our every idea of what reality actually is we only know because of our state of awareness, our consciousness, but it is still out there, existing without any inherent meaning. :grin:

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have you ever seen tokyo? it's only as real as you believe. that like saying gremlins are real, have you seen a gremlin? a zombie? the tooth fairy!?!
please sense the sarcasim! the analytical mind is the only beast we have yet to tame.


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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: faelr]
    #2588538 - 04/21/04 08:35 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Why do we have to tame the analytical mind? Serious debate mixed with sarcasm is a bad brew.


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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: faelr]
    #2591604 - 04/22/04 03:21 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

analysis is great but, just like everything else, it should be used with some sort of restaint and control.


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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: faelr]
    #2591649 - 04/22/04 03:34 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

restraint....control?? what do you mean???

am I not to use what little talents that have been given to me???

am i to suppress what I can use?

or are you saying to take everything with a grain of salt so to speak? :wink:


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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: kaiowas]
    #2591739 - 04/22/04 03:57 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

first off i'm not telling you what to do. it's just advice.
use your talents with respect for yourself and compassion for others.
the more control you obtain over your talents the more influencial and powerful they become.


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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: faelr]
    #2596146 - 04/23/04 08:10 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

words to define words makes sense to me.. the only way to define one word is to put it up against all other words. Humans are defined by all the things around them inculding machines. We choose different and always incomplete paradigms through which to understand the world around us. We say the human is a machine, and when we treat it as such we can perform certain, say, medical procedures. According to western medicine and, I suspect, the western world in general the human body is a machine. We remove parts, weld other parts together, clean the pistons, and so on. The Chinese medical paradigm accomplishes a whole other host of procedures based on viewing the body as a whole where balance is key to health and due to the holographic nature of our organism, all parts affect the whole. To gain skill as a martial artist, which is my life's work, I see my body in another paradigm. A musician may see the body as an intermediary between the listener's ears and some kind, of, I don't know, divine truth (or whatever). All these points of view can accomplish certain tasks within different disciplines.

To exist in a reality where the body is a machine can help all kinds of people, I'm sure. The modern economy demands mindlessness and repetitive work. To succeed in making profit the employee must act with the non-thinking efficiency of a robot, completing task after pointless task, and if this is your lot, then by all means feel free to think of the human organism as a machine. We all know they want you to.

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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: faelr]
    #2596166 - 04/23/04 08:21 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

"first off i'm not telling you what to do. it's just advice."

hehe firstly I know it's just advice, I know you aren't "telling" me.  I jsut like to see where you are coming from that's all.  the more ideas and the more in depth the ideas are explained the better, IMHO anyways.  :laugh:

"the more control you obtain over your talents the more influencial and powerful they become."

I guess what I should have asked is, what type of control are you referring to.  :smile:


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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2602895 - 04/25/04 10:35 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Sure, human beings, animals and ecosystems can be compared to machines, as long as we're using a reductionist lens for viewing these things. My problem is that when we become accustomed to viewing our bodies and the earth as machines we lose sight of any anyalysis suggestive of something beyond simple machinery.

A major problem with modernity is its reduction of life to a mechanistic paradigm in which we are all just "survival machines" biologically programmed to complete the requisite motions for self-perpetuation. Regardless of whether it's a consistant description, on some base level, it's so reductionistic that it serves no purpose beyond the perpetuation of our own modern pathology of comtempt for life.

As my fingers type these messages they may be demonstrating a fine example of mechanical precision, but I would like to think that more can be said about this moment than that.

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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: faelr]
    #2603569 - 04/26/04 02:25 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

I don't think we're a perfect machine. I feel that if we were the ultimate technology, we wouldn't have had to invent "the tool" and get ourselves into the amazing mess we find ourselves in at this moment.

edit: but of course, perhaps it is the "perfect biological machine" that INVENTS "the tool" in order to speed up the planet's evolution and possibly assist in some "cosmic cause" that requires said tools.

In my opinion, though, we're spending too much of our resources on making tools that are not going to assist mankind in any way whatsoever.


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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: daba]
    #2603581 - 04/26/04 02:30 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

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If you want proof look up a girl who was locked up in an attic until she was seven years of age with no humanly contact. She was animalistic. (I forget her name, but it is a popular study in developmental psychology).




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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: daba]
    #2603600 - 04/26/04 02:43 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

"b) stay out of the dick-tionary. it's worthless."

come on now that is absurd...... what the hell do I do when I come across a word I am unfamiliar with, then? Just sit there and try to wild-guess it? go to the shroomery and ask YOU? no, I head to www.dictionary.com (no I don't work for them..).

sorry for getting off-topic, but I just thought it was very funny that you said the dictionary is worthless


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