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Offlinebutterflydawn
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syrian rue dosage
    #2566795 - 04/16/04 08:48 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Can someone tell me how much rue should i use while doing that lemon juice extraction?
how much lemon juice should i use also?
also...how much water?


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Re: syrian rue dosage [Re: butterflydawn]
    #2566800 - 04/16/04 08:52 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

water dosn't matter, depends how much you wanna drink. lemon just
a capful is fine. for dosage you want to get effects from rue alone or
combining with something? 3g is good for mixing w/ shrooms dmt ect.
maybe 2-3x that if just the rue alone i'd probably start with 6g
to get a feel for it though, it's not really enjoyable alone though :stoned:


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Re: syrian rue dosage [Re: John]
    #2566819 - 04/16/04 09:00 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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phenethyl said:
it's not really enjoyable alone though :stoned:




:crazy: i thought that would be fun

i got some crashed seeds not like powder,should i powder it,what you think?

and how much is 6 gram can you tell in a table spoon dosage :grin:


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Re: syrian rue dosage [Re: butterflydawn]
    #2566839 - 04/16/04 09:10 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Are you on a tyramine diet?! You can have fatal results if you are eating certains types of food.

Well maybe you should just smoke some rue ungrinded seeds in a pipe. Just too see what happens...

Smoking rue is very ancient. They called the drug "Soma". It was syrian rue in south Asia.


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Re: syrian rue dosage [Re: Mr_Gubjet]
    #2566843 - 04/16/04 09:11 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

i think i have to smoke a lot to get the effects
and it is harsh


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Re: syrian rue dosage [Re: butterflydawn]
    #2566848 - 04/16/04 09:13 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Well I think you should just try a little too smoke and see.

It will have entheogenic effect.


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Re: syrian rue dosage [Re: Mr_Gubjet]
    #2566929 - 04/16/04 09:47 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Are you on a tyramine diet?! You can have fatal results if you are eating certains types of food.




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This brings me to my second comment on Savinelli and Halpern's article - the MAOI/B-phenethylamine contraindication. While these authors and Callaway are quite right to caution would-be experimenters regarding the dangers of ingesting foods rich in tyramine (4-OH-B-phenethylamine), should they be under medical treatment involving chronic, daily ingestion of MAOI like Marplan, I argued that such strictures do not necessarily apply to users of huascas based on B-carbolines as MAOI.5 There are gross differences in dose regimen, toxicity and pharmacodynamics of B-carbolines, as opposed to medicinal MAOI like Marplan - the latter are potent, generally irreversible inhibitors (that is, they bind irreversibly to MAO molecules, thus destroying them) which are ingested daily over lengthy periods, taking from a few days to a few months to exert their maximum effect, which may persist for a like time even after cessation of daily ingestion. In other words, their use involves a chronic, full-scale alteration of biochemistry, not just of the serotonin system. In the case of the B-carbolines, these are reversible MAOI (that is, they compete with normal substrates for active sites on the enzyme molecules, but do not bind to them permanently) taken in single doses, with a transient effect, estimated by Callaway to last only "for several hours" [MAPS BULLETIN IV(2): 31, 1993]. I have personally tempted fate, and ingested cheese, beer, chocolate, caffeine, nuts, dried fruit, etc. in the afterglows of my pharmahuasca and anahuasca experiences, with no ill effects whatever.(5) While I am in complete agreement with Callaway's warning, that "MAO inhibitors, in general, are not safe drugs to play around with" [MAPS BULLETIN IV (4): 58, 1994], we in fact have no evidence that B-phenethylamines are rendered toxic by combination with single doses of B-carbolines, such as are employed in huascas. Moreover, there is circumstantial evidence for traditional use of ayahuasca containing mescaline and/or other B-phenethylamines in Amazonian Peru. One of the most complete scientific studies of ayahuasca yet conducted reported the use by Peruvian Indians of a cultivated Opuntia species, called tchai in Sharanahua, as an ayahuasca admixture, and said to be "very strong."




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It seems the warnings of incompatibility of B-phenethylamines with B-carbolines are premature if not exaggerated, and we must bear in mind the "boy who cried wolf syndrome," so as not to vitiate the warnings about the so-called "serotonin syndrome" resulting from combining MAOI with serotonin-uptake inhibitors like the popular Prozac, whose use likewise has achieved the status of a fad. Deaths have resulted from this combination, although again, these involved the pharmaceutical MAOI moclobemide, not single doses of B-carbolines; combined with citalopram and clomipramine, not fluoxetine or Prozac. However, given the facts that moclobemide is a reversible MAOI, and that already numerous deaths have been attributed to this "serotonin syndrome," not to forget the overblown popularity of Prozac (today's "miracle drug," tomorrow's drug-abuse scourge), this warning is appropriate.




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Re: syrian rue dosage [Re: Mr_Gubjet]
    #2567051 - 04/16/04 10:41 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I did an extraction like normal one time, then when I was filtering, I took whatever was left over, let it dry and then smoked it. Not the white seed pellets, just the brown seed coatings. It was more potent than I was expecting. I would definately grind the seeds before smoking though.

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Re: syrian rue dosage [Re: John]
    #2567084 - 04/16/04 11:19 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

inmy experiences, rue with mushrooms = total mindfuck.


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Re: syrian rue dosage [Re: butterflydawn]
    #2569898 - 04/17/04 02:02 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

trust me, don't do syrian rue at at high dosages. I wanted to try it alone, and me and a friend each had like 13 g each.
I had the worst time. NAUSEA x 9999 . I spewed up honestly about 40 times.It was really bad.
IF you're really persistent and still want to go through with it, I'd recommend doing that cleaner extraction with vinegar found on erowid.

I'm pretty sure this is the one.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/syrian_rue/syrian_rue_extraction5.shtml#aceticacid1

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Re: syrian rue dosage [Re: Merkin]
    #2569980 - 04/17/04 02:25 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Can smoking passion flower blooms have any bad effects with the deit? How strong are they? I got strange entheogenic effects. From one rolled up.

But yet I do not look at this "psychoactive" part that everyone seeks.

Entheogens are for Nature and you.


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Re: syrian rue dosage [Re: Mr_Gubjet]
    #2569996 - 04/17/04 02:28 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

passion flower is a really weak MAOI not much to worry about with diet, but if you eat alot or do extraction then do the tyramine free diet.. PF does have soem nice effects, plus it tastes very nice.


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Re: syrian rue dosage [Re: the man]
    #2570016 - 04/17/04 02:33 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Ya I think its sacred.


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Re: syrian rue dosage [Re: Mr_Gubjet]
    #2570293 - 04/17/04 06:15 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

sacrament it is


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Re: syrian rue dosage [Re: butterflydawn]
    #2570810 - 04/17/04 01:25 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

thanx for all ideas :thumbup:


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Re: syrian rue dosage [Re: Merkin]
    #2572234 - 04/17/04 10:54 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Recently i found a place that sells the 10x extract of syrian rue. Really looking forward to trying it. Ive also picked up some tabs lately. I heard rue and tryptamines were a good mix so i figured lsd would go nicely with this extract... what do u guys think?


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