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XUL
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Does too much forced diversity lead to anomie?
#25661007 - 12/06/18 06:18 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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At what point does the lack of similar values break the culture or country?
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Re: Does too much forced diversity lead to anomie? [Re: XUL] 2
#25661029 - 12/06/18 06:34 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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the common values we share are always made up things. like money. real estate. work. laws.
the right to have less common made up values in a regional or cultural group is a made up value as well, and it is a good one, and it is worth fighting to keep this value.
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Re: Does too much forced diversity lead to anomie? [Re: XUL]
#25661030 - 12/06/18 06:35 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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why dont you really say whats on your mind? your asking the unknowable. society with are communication abilities is more passive agressive bipolar than ever
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Re: Does too much forced diversity lead to anomie? [Re: the_way] 1
#25661036 - 12/06/18 06:40 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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check out his signature, racism is the reason his crew will slap him fine, and that's the big win - white boys who make white boys feel better.
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Re: Does too much forced diversity lead to anomie? [Re: the_way]
#25661043 - 12/06/18 06:46 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am wondering if diversity scores on wiki correlate with violence scores. And do the different methods of defining diversity and violence change the correlation?
I want to dump the scores into my computer, but I only have a phone connected to the internet. I may just do it manually today.
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Re: Does too much forced diversity lead to anomie? [Re: XUL]
#25661141 - 12/06/18 08:07 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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It seems like the push for world wide diversity will eventually lead to the exact opposite. One day every place and every community will lose what made that place unique and special. For instance, it would be a shame if all of the ancient buildings in Greece were destroyed because they offended a certain group, and they were replaced with Wal Marts, Pizza Huts, and WalGreens. There will be no need to travel when there is nothing new to see beyond 2 miles of your house. One day kids all over the world will eat Frosted Flakes and pop tarts and take Ritalin. Adults word wide will eat nothing but fast foods and take Lipitor and diabetes meds. It will be great for big businesses like General Mills and big Pharma. We will all be the same, it will be a boring world.
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Re: Does too much forced diversity lead to anomie? [Re: XUL] 1
#25661167 - 12/06/18 08:29 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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XUL said: I am wondering if diversity scores on wiki correlate with violence scores. And do the different methods of defining diversity and violence change the correlation?
I want to dump the scores into my computer, but I only have a phone connected to the internet. I may just do it manually today.
why not tether your computer to your phone, android and iPhone both support tethering or hotspot creation for your computer to connect to internet via wifi.
but I think you are mainly just another wrong headed guy looking for ways to confuse the issues, for instance, facts currently indicate that increased gun violence is directly related to increase gun sales, and widespread concealed carry, the numbers related to bumpstocks should be apparent in an instant.
Even the police are killing innocents because they expect everyone to carry a gun. Gun laws are making you stupid.
I think you want to create a diversion from the real causes for these problems and blame immigrants and non-white citizens. try to focus on reality. it is not white power.
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Re: Does too much forced diversity lead to anomie? [Re: redgreenvines]
#25661186 - 12/06/18 08:43 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Diversity exists outside of race.
Some scores include language and so forth.
Race is merely one factor, as guns are in the gun debate.
My phone doesn't tether.
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Re: Does too much forced diversity lead to anomie? [Re: JizzMasterZero]
#25661189 - 12/06/18 08:45 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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JizzMasterZero said: It seems like the push for world wide diversity will eventually lead to the exact opposite. One day every place and every community will lose what made that place unique and special. For instance, it would be a shame if all of the ancient buildings in Greece were destroyed because they offended a certain group, and they were replaced with Wal Marts, Pizza Huts, and WalGreens. There will be no need to travel when there is nothing new to see beyond 2 miles of your house. One day kids all over the world will eat Frosted Flakes and pop tarts and take Ritalin. Adults word wide will eat nothing but fast foods and take Lipitor and diabetes meds. It will be great for big businesses like General Mills and big Pharma. We will all be the same, it will be a boring world.
I tend to agree.
Forced diversity with migrant quotas seems to be extremely Chaotic for Europe.
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Re: Does too much forced diversity lead to anomie? [Re: redgreenvines]
#25661216 - 12/06/18 08:59 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said:
the right to have less common made up values in a regional or cultural group is a made up value as well, and it is a good one, and it is worth fighting to keep this value.
That your diary space is free from derision suggests to me that enclaves free of resistance exist. But here in our shared space the results of our efforts at conformity can manifest concurrently with other, perhaps lesser or more aggressive, tactical values.
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Re: Does too much forced diversity lead to anomie? [Re: Buster_Brown]
#25662067 - 12/06/18 04:08 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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so you are thinking of war (tactical values) as opposed to society (social values - like for getting along with eachother)
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Re: Does too much forced diversity lead to anomie? [Re: XUL]
#25662881 - 12/06/18 10:50 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Does too much forced diversity lead to anomie? [Re: redgreenvines] 1
#25662985 - 12/07/18 01:23 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Racists are morally and spiritually retarded, period. Something has either been learned, or the racist has been traumatized and then generalized his trauma from an individual instance to an entire group of humanity. Human beings are not born racist. Skin color, eye color, hair color are so incidental as to not even be worth mentioning unless one is making a police report. How disenfranchised must one be to value a lack of skin melanin a thing to base one's identity on? It is not even genetically favored. Wrinkling skin (vs. "Black don't crack") and skin cancers are the two most obvious downsides to being White. The mind boggles at fear-born hate.
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Re: Does too much forced diversity lead to anomie? [Re: redgreenvines]
#25663057 - 12/07/18 03:08 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: so you are thinking of war (tactical values) as opposed to society (social values - like for getting along with eachother)
Supporting an individual's preference of a resistance-free environment, be it in the home, community or government, seems to me to be the best tactic for personal gain in those departments.
Satyagraha is not a popular expedient in the war on terror, and with the proof being in the pudding, so to speak, we might see a connection here with the reception of fruitcake.
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Re: Does too much forced diversity lead to anomie? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#25663147 - 12/07/18 05:18 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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MarkostheGnostic said: How disenfranchised must one be to value a lack of skin melanin a thing to base one's identity on?
Diversity is not synonymous with race. Especially considering the operational definition of the factors at play. It would do you good to acknowledge that fact instead of obsessing over race the entire thread. Here, let me help:
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Faeron's method of measuring diversity:
In the Fearon list, cultural fractionalization is approximated by a measure of similarity between languages, varying from 1 = the population speaks two or more unrelated languages to 0 = the entire population speaks the same language.
Alesina et al's method;
This list is based on the analysis of Alesina and others,[4] they develop fractionalization scores based on ethnicity, religious and linguistic data directly from the Encyclopædia Britannica lists. This list is biased by how the Britannica chooses to list ethnic groups, but it does not make a judgement call on which identities are more salient than others.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level
As we can see diversity manifests itself through language, religion, -- and apart from these measures, perhaps things like income.
Race is a factor, but obsessing over it alone does not seem smart, dunc. When considering diversity v. Violence, I would focus on how the specific researchers chose to define each factor.
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Re: Does too much forced diversity lead to anomie? [Re: XUL] 1
#25663706 - 12/07/18 12:38 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Culture isn't static. Unified cultures divide themselves. Divided cultures unify. Statistics are useless here. Anyone can take a snapshot of someone making an ugly face.
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Re: Does too much forced diversity lead to anomie? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#25663742 - 12/07/18 01:00 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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MarkostheGnostic said: Racists are morally and spiritually retarded, period. Something has either been learned, or the racist has been traumatized and then generalized his trauma from an individual instance to an entire group of humanity. Human beings are not born racist. Skin color, eye color, hair color are so incidental as to not even be worth mentioning unless one is making a police report. How disenfranchised must one be to value a lack of skin melanin a thing to base one's identity on? It is not even genetically favored. Wrinkling skin (vs. "Black don't crack") and skin cancers are the two most obvious downsides to being White. The mind boggles at fear-born hate.
"Human beings are not born racist"
Yet, as children get older they tend to segregate themselves into groups based on race.
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Re: Does too much forced diversity lead to anomie? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#25663772 - 12/07/18 01:19 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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what does racism have to do with wanting to preserve a culture?
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Re: Does too much forced diversity lead to anomie? [Re: qman]
#25664083 - 12/07/18 04:17 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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"Yet, as children get older"
You realize your statement doesn't contradict his, right? No one is saying people don't get racist as they get older.
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Re: Does too much forced diversity lead to anomie? [Re: xFrockx]
#25664113 - 12/07/18 04:30 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: "Yet, as children get older"
You realize your statement doesn't contradict his, right? No one is saying people don't get racist as they get older.
Yeah I understand that fact, 5-6 year olds don't care about the race of their friends.
For some reason, when the children get to junior high school (ages 11-12) they start to segregate themselves based on race. Did the whites and black children all of sudden become racists? No, so what's your explanation.
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