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budmanman
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Salvia is fucked up,
#25649920 - 12/01/18 05:35 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's been 10 years since I did Salvia and it still fucks with me remembering it to this day, I still don't know if I might all the sudden snap back and it be 2006 and I am going to just be sitting there in my teens and going, wtf that was the trip? its been years how am I here.
How do you know the trip is actually over? You can't. It might still be going on now and you wouldn't know the difference, you might still be sitting there thinking help help and have no idea.
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Straight Mush
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Re: Salvia is fucked up, [Re: budmanman] 1
#25649925 - 12/01/18 05:39 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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budmanman said: It's been 10 years since I did Salvia and it still fucks with me remembering it to this day, I still don't know if I might all the sudden snap back and it be 2006 and I am going to just be sitting there in my teens and going, wtf that was the trip? its been years how am I here.
How do you know the trip is actually over? You can't. It might still be going on now and you wouldn't know the difference, you might still be sitting there thinking help help and have no idea.
I've read a lot of salvia posts and they all have had me conclude that it is not worth using. There are many better substances to use than such a wacky dissasociative
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Edited by Straight Mush (12/01/18 05:39 AM)
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SnowGypsy
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Since it's traditionally not smoked some people say that the salvia spirit is punishing you for smoking it. 'Why are you smoking me?'. lol
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Straight Mush
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Re: Salvia is fucked up, [Re: SnowGypsy]
#25650004 - 12/01/18 06:46 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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SnowGypsy said: Since it's traditionally not smoked some people say that the salvia spirit is punishing you for smoking it. 'Why are you smoking me?'. lol
Lol. How is it traditionally used?
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Straight Mush said:
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SnowGypsy said: Since it's traditionally not smoked some people say that the salvia spirit is punishing you for smoking it. 'Why are you smoking me?'. lol
Lol. How is it traditionally used?
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nube424


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Salvia has its place. Its just not a fun recreational drug. But if ur looking for some wierdness, its probly the safest drug for it. Atleast it only lasts 10 minutes. And salvia can put u in places hallucinogens cant.
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Re: Salvia is fucked up, [Re: nube424]
#25650241 - 12/01/18 09:16 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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you are one of many who report this about salvia. stay away from it mkay if you dont enjoy the pain.
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nube424


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Mushrooms can cause much more panic than salvia. And ive felt plenty pain on acid. They all have their downs. But if u use it in the right way it can be enjoyable once in awhile.
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ReposadoXochipilli
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Re: Salvia is fucked up, [Re: nube424]
#25650410 - 12/01/18 10:56 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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i never fully broke through the two times i smoked extract, the first was like every time i had been high before all combined into one and was very uncomfortable, couch lock and drool. the second time was lighter and much better, was watching trees sway in the breeze and it all felt right.
would be interested in exploring again in the right setting with the right people but odds are against that.
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nube424


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A big hit of 10x or a small to medium hit of 20x is usually a good amount.
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Piaseski
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Re: Salvia is fucked up, [Re: nube424]
#25650565 - 12/01/18 12:14 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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I had a few months, about 12 years ago, where I did salvia every day - upping to 10x, 20x, 40x over that period.
In the end I completely lost it, shadow creatures watching me from the corners of the room and I tried to climb out of a window (luckily had sitters, always).
I witnessed a guy jump in to the middle of a massive fire and stand there laughing until he was kicked out (and subsequently, put out).
It's some serious shit, even with all I have learned since with dmt and mescaline and psilo...I don't think I'll go back to that place.
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Re: Salvia is fucked up, [Re: budmanman] 1
#25650994 - 12/01/18 04:08 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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I did Salvia (5x) after several years of sobriety. It gave me an afterglow where my thought was completely subdued and I could just relax in the present moment.
I did it a few more times after that and it was just weird.
I don't like the gross, sweaty, pins and needles feeling.
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Re: Salvia is fucked up, [Re: SnowGypsy] 1
#25651172 - 12/01/18 06:04 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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SnowGypsy said: Since it's traditionally not smoked some people say that the salvia spirit is punishing you for smoking it. 'Why are you smoking me?'. lol
There may actually be something to the notion that either quids or tinctures provide a proper dose.
Salvia does seem to show that the human perception of "reality" is totally a construct of the brain. Yes there is something 'out there' (& inside), and yes the representation we have works well enough for survival. But our senses are crude, and the brain uses them to create a simulation we take to be accurate; but of course it is not. We don't see atoms or understand the quantum world or the nature of self, etc.
Salvia is able to take the entire 'simulation generator', and do what it wants with it, within seconds.
Ross Heaven's book: "Shamanic Quest for the Spirit of Salvia: The Divinatory, Visionary, and Healing Powers of the Sage of the Seers" may be useful. The Amazon page with this book also has others of possible interest.
Some very nice Salvia art here: http://www.zensages.com/
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SnowGypsy
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Hamilton's Pharmacopeia has an episode on salvia. Here's the ceremony part
Mckenna talked about putting as much leaf into your mouth as you could fit, holding it for 15 or something n spitting it out.
I smoked some a few years back, 10x, and the only proper breakthrough experience required too much to smoke imo. especially since you'd want to hold it in for as long as possible, so if i'd want to get back into it i'd get 20x. I had plenty of times though where when i breathed it out, i'd get get kind of pins and needles simultaneously starting from my mouth spreading to enwrap my whole body. Lines with spaces in between(- - - - -) spreading to cover the body accompanying the feeling. It's like a massive weight pushing down on you, body high is strong. As soon as i remembered to lie down it was always good though one time felt this enormous chasm splitting through me. For me salvia was a purely closed eye thing
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Acuriousmycologist
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Re: Salvia is fucked up, [Re: SnowGypsy]
#25651790 - 12/02/18 03:57 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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OP that's a bit of a mindfuck huh! Others thanks for the vid, interesting, and artwork. Some of its terrifying.
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vandago



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If salvia is smoked in respects to the plant, your settings, your mindset, and your intent, you have beautiful experiences. After all my experience with it, I believe your inner values play a huge role in your salvia "trip". I noticed that people who were known to be on the more negative side of things and darker people had way more uncomfortable experiences....they were also always just trying to get high.
I've smoked salvia amidst high dose mushroom trips and acid trips and it's never ever been a bad time because I prepare for chaos and embrace it. I get what OP is saying though. I remember once I smoked it inside of a small walk in closet and suddenly I got sucked through a void and I turned into a park bench made of the universe. Out of no where two gnomes/elves were sitting on me discussing the universe in another language....I couldn't decipher the language but I knew what they were discussing. It felt like it was eternity. I remember getting to a point of acceptance that I was never going to be anything in life but a park bench....then I snapped back into the brain I forgot about and literally jumped up babbling incoherent madness and ran to fresh air.
I could go on for hours and hours about salvia experiences. but out of the hundreds of times I've smoked it and seen it smoked, I would say more good times than bad....depending on what you define as good and bad.
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Re: Salvia is fucked up, [Re: vandago]
#25652452 - 12/02/18 12:35 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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I quite enjoyed my experiences with a Salvia tincture, I haven't smoked it yet but sublingually it reminded me of dissociative mushrooms.
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sui
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.I remember once I smoked it inside of a small walk in closet and suddenly I got sucked through a void and I turned into a park bench made of the universe. Out of no where two gnomes/elves were sitting on me discussing the universe in another language....I couldn't decipher the language but I knew what they were discussing. It felt like it was eternity. I remember getting to a point of acceptance that I was never going to be anything in life but a park bench....then I snapped back into the brain I forgot about and literally jumped up babbling incoherent madness and ran to fresh air.
Haha what were they saying?
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Acuriousmycologist
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Re: Salvia is fucked up, [Re: sui]
#25653707 - 12/03/18 02:22 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Haha I'd really like to know too.
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Straight Mush said: I've read a lot of salvia posts and they all have had me conclude that it is not worth using. There are many better substances to use than such a wacky dissasociative
It's definitely worth using, but especially via sublingual/quid methods. Much more mellow, and you don't have to worry about being stuck in a years-long trip. It's very useful for personal growth sublingually.
And you don't need to stuff your mouth full of leaves McKenna-style. Just rehydrate a couple 1-gram balls of dried leaf, squeeze the water out, then chew 1 gram at a time. Chew consistently and swish the juice around, but try not to swallow any. The swishing helps the absorption through your gums/cheeks.
If you're familiar with the Salvia space from smoking, you'll know once you're 'there' while chewing. It's more subtle, so it helps to be in darkness or have an eye mask or beanie pulled over your eyes to notice the first effects.
After 10 minutes or so, if you're not 'there' yet, you can spit out the initial stuff that's left and add a second 1-gram ball. One gram is small enough to fit into one cheek, so it's pretty easy to do 2 at a time as well. After a few tries, you'll find the minimum amount you need. I use 0.8g each time, as it consistently gets me 'out of body' so to speak, but some people need several grams. More just extends the trip but doesn't make it much deeper.
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