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 Re: Toxic heavy metals found in kratom  [Re: morrowasted]
#25648809 - 11/30/18 02:56 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well it COULD. If scumbag industry gets their way.
They are going after all the 'drug' herbs as they become culturely significant.
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Re: Toxic heavy metals found in kratom [Re: Morel Guy]
#25648819 - 11/30/18 03:00 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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More likely, the FDA will simply schedule the active compounds in whatever they want to ban. As in, marijuana is not illegal as a plant, but THC is. The same will likely occur with mitragynine and 7-HO-mitragynine
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Re: Toxic heavy metals found in kratom [Re: morrowasted]
#25649241 - 11/30/18 06:43 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Actually, I believe the plant itself is illegal, The compounds and the plant are both included in the DEAs list of controlled substances. Coca leaves are also illegal which is the plant itself.
https://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/schedules/orangebook/c_cs_alpha.pdf
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Re: Toxic heavy metals found in kratom [Re: Morel Guy]
#25649705 - 11/30/18 11:41 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Toxic heavy metals are in ALL SOILS.
So YES your FOOD has heavy metals in it. In fact, the more a field is fertilized, then harvested, then fed to animals, and dumped back in the field after passing thru animals (manure) builds up toxic heavy metals.
So YES this article is a scare tactic like all the bullshit brainwashing Uncle Dick Head Sam does.
If you think that agriculture operates in such a way that manure is returned to the soil all over the country you dont realize that most chicken is produced in AL GA and AR, most pork in IA and SC, most beef in NE and CO. Grains are fertilized with ammonium nitrate produced with natutal gas in the Haber Bosch process.
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Re: Toxic heavy metals found in kratom [Re: drake89]
#25649708 - 11/30/18 11:42 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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All soils do not have heavy metals you got to be kidding me.
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Re: Toxic heavy metals found in kratom [Re: thirtygoats]
#25649827 - 12/01/18 03:13 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cheers!
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Re: Toxic heavy metals found in kratom [Re: MikeTesserect]
#25649998 - 12/01/18 06:43 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pretty sure this is a "real" problem although, of course FDA and pals can manipulate this kind of thing, i dont think the heavy metals is part of it, because its just a reason to add oversight. The part that makes it seem bad is nothing new and applies to cannabis (or at least NIDA "cannabis" blehhh) and that is "no medicinal use". And if you really think about it, they do have much more powerful opioids already so to them this is just a pseudo-opi that people can get and skirt prescriptions and stuff. I think the general attitude is to "get junkies out of society" (sadly) and this is a way to help sufferers stay in society without relying on suboxone and such to function
Same with salmonella. That could well have been true, like cali lettuce now. But again, if they label something to not be a true medicine, thats much more worrying legally
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Re: Toxic heavy metals found in kratom [Re: inevitablemix]
#25652653 - 12/02/18 02:36 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was thinking if kratom had metals in it that it might be tested with a magnet. Sure enough it jumped and attached itself. ...
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Re: Toxic heavy metals found in kratom [Re: drake89]
#25652674 - 12/02/18 02:54 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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All soils do not have heavy metals you got to be kidding me.
Cadmium and arsenic is present in all foods in low levels. Basically everything does in fact have low levels of heavy metals in it. They are in the atmosphere. Water contains methylmercury because of coal
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Re: Toxic heavy metals found in kratom [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#25654036 - 12/03/18 08:30 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shut up, U are just upset that Bush died! Its a legit concern. I got poisoned from phytoextractum twice! I suspected it could have been lead, but the symptoms didn't match. It was horrible. After all, what else is the FDA for. Just fix it and carry on. New research is even showing alcohol is toxic no matter the amount
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Re: Toxic heavy metals found in kratom [Re: MikeTesserect] 1
#25654478 - 12/03/18 12:21 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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What about all the shit in tobacco?
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Re: Toxic heavy metals found in kratom [Re: MikeTesserect]
#25655288 - 12/03/18 06:08 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Umm, I don't even use Kratom, but I've seen it work for some people.
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Re: Toxic heavy metals found in kratom [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#25655996 - 12/04/18 03:20 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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What does it matter whats in tobacco? Tobacco kills.
You dont want shit to compare to that. Kratom should be sold in special dispensaries and tested independently. We dont know if theres lead or what.
Apparently its small enough amounts that occassional users wont notice but it could poison daily users
If its true. I mean pot many times has pesticides. Its very possible. It certainly shouldnt be banned tho and i doubt it would actually be banned
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Re: Toxic heavy metals found in kratom [Re: naum]
#25656539 - 12/04/18 10:44 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Too much shit in tobacco! Nothing about this setup really makes sense. They have a blind spot and this is their achilles heel. U have to hit them where it hurts because they are clueless! The world popped into existence yesterday for they are concerned. Intellectuals are fully aware of this
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Re: Toxic heavy metals found in kratom [Re: Fractal420]
#25662407 - 12/06/18 06:49 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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What does it matter whats in tobacco? Tobacco kills.
My point was the FDA does not prohibit tobacco due to toxic heavy metals and all of the other bad stuff in cigarettes. Kind of strange to single out kratom.
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Re: Toxic heavy metals found in kratom [Re: naum]
#25663343 - 12/07/18 08:35 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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They would now. If someone tried to sell a new cigarette, the amount of heavy metals would be examined and a decision would be made whether to allow it or not.
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Re: Toxic heavy metals found in kratom [Re: badchad]
#25663368 - 12/07/18 08:50 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's not how it works. Cigarettes would not be "grandfathered in." And they don't regulate plant based supplements in terms of heavy metals or purity which has been a major concern for many years.
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Re: Toxic heavy metals found in kratom [Re: naum]
#25663380 - 12/07/18 08:58 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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A new cigarette would not be "grandfathered" in. Thus, it would require review before being allowed to be marketed. Particular metals (e.g., cadmium, lead) would be reviewed as part of that.
"Supplements" are not be preemptively reviewed, tobacco products are.
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Re: Toxic heavy metals found in kratom [Re: badchad]
#25663526 - 12/07/18 10:56 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Went to the tobacco store last month and again lastnight. Last month noticed they had kratom. Didn't buy any as it looked pricey. Went back last night and checked it out. Very very expensive down there. Used to get 100grams for $40 shipped. They wanted 50 bucks for a small bottle and 150 for a large.
It's sales like that which will bring a ban. When it's on every corner store shelf and outragous prices. That's how salvia went down. That and kids posting videos.
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Re: Toxic heavy metals found in kratom [Re: Morel Guy]
#25663539 - 12/07/18 11:05 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Alot of head shops and such seem to have kratom. And yes ofc everything is somewhat overpriced. Its like 20 for 500mg of cbd at the one near me. Good brand tho
Also i notice, well this may just be a local thing, but the glass prices are going up near me
Online for everything glass, for me
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