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Well Mrs Merkel, many of my Eurosceptic colleagues have been booing you this morning but they shouldn’t be in a way because the British should be cheering you. Without you we’d never have made it over the line with Brexit and I want to thank you very much for that.

And of course many of these Eurosceptic groups on the right, the center and the left will come back here after the next European Elections in huge numbers directly as a result of your immigration and asylum policy. Your ‘we can cope’ led to a huge migrant tide, indeed a stampede, that came across the Mediterranean. Young men coming from very different cultures and who were not going to integrate. Young men none of whom can qualify as being genuine refugees and I think in many ways we looked at it in the referendum and said we don’t want to be part of an increasingly German dominated European Union and we certainly don’t want to pay the price for Mrs Merkel’s errors.

And I believe having heard you today and listening to senior French politicians over the last couple of days that for us leaving the European Union is now indeed a liberation. It is a European Union that we’re now told has become an empire, a militarised European Union, an undemocratic European Union, a European Union that seeks to continually expand to the East, a European Union that launched a new Cold War against the United States, a European Union that tries to rewrite history and I think 100 years on from the Armistice we should be genuinely worried.

The idea that this new militarised union is somehow a recipe for peace I suggest you all sit back and think a little bit more carefully. Maybe you should all reread history, the European project was set up to stop German domination, what you’ve seen today is a naked takeover bid.

So I think Brexit becomes a necessity after this and for the rest of the countries Mrs Merkel you’ve had a long and successful career but your political decision to open up the doors unconditionally is the worst decision we’ve seen in post war politics in Europe. Is it not time for you at last to admit that you were wrong? Is it not time for you to say to German communities and many others, I’m sorry for what I’ve done to you and for the problems I’ve inflicted upon you for many decades to come?

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VroomerMcZoomers said:

The source for this is the imagination of Nigel Farage?

It's like you live in an echo chamber.

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a European Union that launched a new Cold War against the United States

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christopera said:

He's doesn't even hold office at this point. He's basically the Steve Bannon of the UK.

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Yeah, he wasn't even the leader of a major political party, just another hack.

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VroomerMcZoomers said:

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Yeah, he wasn't even the leader of a major political party, just another hack.

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Take a look at the American president to see how hacks can lead major political parties.

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2in1 said:

Guys, the population of the UK voted to get out of the EU.
Not Nigel Farage.

Spin it any way you want you either believe in democracy or not.

We know what we voted for and we will be happy when we are finally free from the autocratic new world order organisation called the EU.

No amount of fear mongering will make us change our minds, we are not a fickle nation and we will get our freedom eventually.

You should have seen how happy everyone was when the result of the referendum came out. Most people in the UK are proud of our country and heritage, and no that doesn't mean being racist.

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The Ecstatic said:

I thought y’all were giddy about the rise of fascism?

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So Farage isn't the insignificant man many claimed he was in this thread, correct?

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qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

I thought y’all were giddy about the rise of fascism?

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Nope, just warning people like yourself the dangers of forcing unpopular policies on the German population.

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shivas.wisdom said:

qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

I thought y’all were giddy about the rise of fascism?

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Nope, just warning people like yourself the dangers of forcing unpopular policies on the German population.

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I mean... desegregation at one time was an unpopular policy that was literally enforced at gunpoint by the national guard, yet it was still the right thing to do.

Do you think basing policy around avoiding threat of reactionary backlash will really provide the best outcome?

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The Ecstatic said:

Don’t you know? Upsetting the racists only makes them more racist.

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The Ecstatic said:

For someone obsessed with race related issues you sure do have a hard time finding situations where race applies.

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The Ecstatic said:

It very clearly is.

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qman said:

shivas.wisdom said:

qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

I thought y’all were giddy about the rise of fascism?

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Nope, just warning people like yourself the dangers of forcing unpopular policies on the German population.

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I mean... desegregation at one time was an unpopular policy that was literally enforced at gunpoint by the national guard, yet it was still the right thing to do.

Do you think basing policy around avoiding threat of reactionary backlash will really provide the best outcome?

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It really depends on the policy that creates the backlash.  Does the policy hurt the economic and social environment for the native population, if so, avoid it.

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qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

It very clearly is.

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Yeah, because the socioeconomic impact has been non-existent, even you don't buy into that nonsense.

Sorry, but the vest majority of people still put value on borders, national sovereignty and citizenship.  That fact does not make them racist.

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qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

I thought y’all were giddy about the rise of fascism?

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Nope, just warning people like yourself the dangers of forcing unpopular policies on the German population.

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The Ecstatic said:

qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

It very clearly is.

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Yeah, because the socioeconomic impact has been non-existent, even you don't buy into that nonsense.

Sorry, but the vest majority of people still put value on borders, national sovereignty and citizenship.  That fact does not make them racist.

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Lol they don’t actually care about those things though.

The anti immigrant zealots don’t care about borders or sovereignty when it comes to US foreign policy, and many of them are arguing right now about changing the Constitution in regards to who is and isn’t a citizen.

I wonder what accounts for this discrepancy.

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The Ecstatic said:

Yeah exactly. People only care about those things when it affects themselves, and not other people.

How could anyone ever mistake that for racism

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2in1 said:

Guys, the population of the UK voted to get out of the EU.

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2in1 said:

Spin it any way you want you either believe in democracy or not.

We know what we voted for and we will be happy when we are finally free from the autocratic new world order organisation called the EU.

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Polls that ask people how they would vote now in response to the question that appeared on the ballot paper in June 2016 have, in fact, been relatively few and far between.

But those that have been conducted suggest there may have been a small swing in favour of Remain.

The four most recent readings - taken by BMG Research and Survation between November and January - have, on average, once the 8% who said "don't know" are left to one side, put Remain on 52% and Leave on 48%.

In contrast, four such polls undertaken towards the end of 2016 still put Leave narrowly ahead, by 51% to 49%.

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2in1 said:

No amount of fear mongering will make us change our minds, we are not a fickle nation and we will get our freedom eventually. 

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2in1 said:

You should have seen how happy everyone was when the result of the referendum came out. Most people in the UK are proud of our country and heritage, and no that doesn't mean being racist.

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qman said:

Sorry, but the vest majority of people still put value on borders, national sovereignty and citizenship.  That fact does not make them racist.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

Sorry, but the vest majority of people still put value on borders, national sovereignty and citizenship.  That fact does not make them racist.

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Ya, that's why they only want a wall on the side of the country where more dark skinned folk come from.  Why is no one calling for a Canadian wall?

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qman said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

Sorry, but the vest majority of people still put value on borders, national sovereignty and citizenship.  That fact does not make them racist.

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Ya, that's why they only want a wall on the side of the country where more dark skinned folk come from.  Why is no one calling for a Canadian wall?

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Hmm, because both borders are equal in nature?  No, immigration coming from the southern border is obviously a much larger problem.  Nice try.

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The Ecstatic said:

Exactly.

Proportionality is monumental when it comes to which border to defend, but it’s absolutey irrelevant when it comes to the reasoning behind defending the border in the first place.

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2in1 said:

*yawn
Ok whatever mate you win congratulations!

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2in1 said:

I don't really give a shit but anything that reduces big centralized government and puts more power in the hands of local communities is something that I will be supporting. 

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you should care about more than that and i suspect you do but in the end? 

2in1 said:
Your statistics are also whack as you know. it's not a third of the population not everyone turned up to vote.

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relic said:
if 51.89% voted to leave and turnout was 72.21%, then just a little over a third of the electorate [37.46%] voted to leave.

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The Ecstatic said:

Yeah we’ve already been through this. You’d rather spend $10 to keep brown people out instead of give them $1 if they get in.

Your reasoning? The budget.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Seems to the case with most conservatives here because, welp, they're not racist or anything...

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Don't tell my you bought into his fairytale math and then made a false conclusion.

qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

Yeah we’ve already been through this. You’d rather spend $10 to keep brown people out instead of give them $1 if they get in.

Your reasoning? The budget.

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That's some fuzzy math you have going on there.

The fact of the matter is, border enforcement provides an excellent return on investment for developed nations.

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The Ecstatic said:

qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

Yeah we’ve already been through this. You’d rather spend $10 to keep brown people out instead of give them $1 if they get in.

Your reasoning? The budget.

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That's some fuzzy math you have going on there.

The fact of the matter is, border enforcement provides an excellent return on investment for developed nations.

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What’s the return on the $200,000,000 we spent sending troops to Texas, only to turn them arouns before the caravan even approaches?

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The Ecstatic said:

Of course. And I’m sure the required infrastructure to defend thousands of miles of border is extremely cheap.

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qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

Yeah we’ve already been through this. You’d rather spend $10 to keep brown people out instead of give them $1 if they get in.

Your reasoning? The budget.

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That's some fuzzy math you have going on there.

The fact of the matter is, border enforcement provides an excellent return on investment for developed nations.

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What’s the return on the $200,000,000 we spent sending troops to Texas, only to turn them arouns before the caravan even approaches?

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The revised number is now $72 million

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Seems to the case with most conservatives here because, welp, they're not racist or anything...

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qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

Of course. And I’m sure the required infrastructure to defend thousands of miles of border is extremely cheap.

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Then why have a country, why have citizenship?

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XUL said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Seems to the case with most conservatives here because, welp, they're not racist or anything...

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Democrats have always been the racists and continue to be.

Recently I have seen people in this forum show their disdain for Catholic Mexicans.

Further, the Mexican people in Tijuana do not even like the Caravan.

The left is obsessed with race and identity. Age too.

I have seen some people here pledging that old people can't run a country because they are "technologically inferior."

Today's leftists here, and their leaders, are comfortable with racism, ageism, sexism.

They will tell you, "Sit down you bigotted catholic deplorable or we will sick our street thugs on you. Tow the line, or you are out, old man."

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The Ecstatic said:

qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

Of course. And I’m sure the required infrastructure to defend thousands of miles of border is extremely cheap.

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Then why have a country, why have citizenship?

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Now you’re getting it.

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XUL said:

Democrats have always been the racists and continue to be.

Recently I have seen people in this forum show their disdain for Catholic Mexicans.

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XUL said:

The left is obsessed with race and identity. Age too.

I have seen some people here pledging that old people can't run a country because they are "technologically inferior."

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That has NOTHING to do with age.  It is because they are "technologically inferior".  Jesus Christ XUL. 

qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

Of course. And I’m sure the required infrastructure to defend thousands of miles of border is extremely cheap.

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Then why have a country, why have citizenship?

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Now you’re getting it.

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Obviously, you're never going to get it.

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XUL said:

Democrats have always been the racists and continue to be.

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