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InvisibleCyrilion
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Contams in my first grow - Help!
    #25616874 - 11/15/18 04:41 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Pretty sure i over watered and had the hay too wet and didn't give enough FAE in the first weeks along with getting the wrong bulb initially.
Noticed a slowing in top growth after about 1/3rd of the top had fruiting, afterwards the only mycelium which made it to the top looked grey, i wasn't sure of it being mold or not so i salted the area and removed it and a 1/2 inch around it with a sterilized spoon.
The growth continued to slow until i noticed all the new pins were blue and tiny, and i figured i was either drowning them or they were just having trouble pushing through the soil there so i figured i'd reduce my spraying and see if there was a favorable change, there was no change so i went back to spraying 2-3 times daily.
Later i noticed the same gray growth on the other side of the box which had finally started fruiting, and figured it was either weak mycelium growth or cobweb, so i increased airflow by fanning the top 3 times daily, figuring it would help in either case and that if it was cobweb then i'd see it grow quickly and then just spray with some H2O2, but it didn't so i haven't yet.
Eventually i learned im supposed to mist the top, and not directly spray it because it can cause the shrooms to drown if i cover them? I assumed that was why i had two abortions where the stem stopped supporting the cap and just flopped down, removed those.
Learned  to take a spore print so i have one, mushroom had just opened it's gills for a day so i was lucky there :tongue:
Suddenly there was an off-smell so out of curiosity i took my tray out of the box i had it in to see if i could tell any reasons for the slowed growth/smell, and unfortunately i saw some pretty clear contams that were hiding below the surface :sad:

Let me know if there's anything i can do to fix this, if i should take my spore print and start over from scratch, if i should just see what i can pull from this infected batch, etc.
If you have any advice on my newbie method i would appreciate it, but i will be lurking through the guides and TEKs for a while to get a better idea for my precious spores in the future anyway, so no worries.
I'd also seen a TEK for getting the psychodelics out with high-proof ethanol which i'm keen to try, would i be able to use the pins if i end up tossing the batch?

My "Good" side

Weak Mycelium? Cobweb? Something else?


Sides, close up's on flagrant contams, and different lightings

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Re: Contams in my first grow - Help! [Re: Cyrilion]
    #25616887 - 11/15/18 04:45 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Keep things simple..You don;t need to use hay, just straight coir. Follow a tek to the letter, basic grains, Oats, Rye and start spores on agar..You don't need ethanol to extract just boil in water for 20 mins and then drink.

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Re: Contams in my first grow - Help! [Re: Shroomspective]
    #25620357 - 11/17/18 07:30 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah i've been reading through a ton of threads on here so that i can get an idea on what to do for my next batch and not watch it crash and burn.
That one was a grow kit my buddy bought but couldn't grow at his place, sucks that it died before i got a full fruiting, only got like 12 grams total, but enough to intrigue me further.
Gonna build a SAB and make some agar inoculations, already have a PC, torch, and mason jars so i have most of my supplies just sitting around.
i'm thinking of using grass seed or brown rice, they seem to be fairly good and still easy to do up, then a 50/50 of verm and choir for casing with.
probably a few smaller monotubs so i'm not putting all my eggs in one basket, haven't decided which tek to follow yet, you guys do some really neat stuff.
Let me know if it sounds like i'm on the right track, but for now i just have a lot of research to do. :takingnotes:

The ethanol thing is really more to get the psychedelics sediment as a pure substance you can measure with exact precision instead of guessing off gram weight, plus i have a bunch of moonshine sitting around doing nothing and i like to play with extracts

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Re: Contams in my first grow - Help! [Re: Cyrilion]
    #25620372 - 11/17/18 07:38 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

You're on the right track...but no grass or rice! Use grains, Oats, Rye etc..Get them on eBay, Amazon or a farm shop for horse feed..I wouldn't overthink the measuring per gram..you'll soon find how many grams of dried mushrooms it needs for you to have a good time - 4-10 is a usual amount

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Re: Contams in my first grow - Help! [Re: Shroomspective]
    #25620641 - 11/17/18 10:15 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Hmm, i'll use oats then, got a feed store like 20 minutes out from me.
Props to Bodhisatta and his incredibly useful teks, probably the most useful stuff i've found on here, along with Pastywhyte, Tmethyl, SpitballJedi,  Psilosopherr, Damion5050, and Violet
And thanks for your help Shroomspective, hopefully i'll make it through my first flush next time, but until then it's back to lurking for me
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Re: Contams in my first grow - Help! [Re: Cyrilion] * 1
    #25620988 - 11/17/18 01:00 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Hey there Cyrillion,

Here's my feedback:

Keep it simple and controlled. What you want to do is figure out a system and then rock n' roll with it.

So first off, as you may have noticed, there is a lot of confusing info on the various forums and social media outlets on how to grow shrooms.

While there are foundational guidelines for mushrooms in general, the details will vary depending on you, your tools, your geographic location (climates/humidity factor), and your needs.

SAB is a must have for anyone, regardless of whether you do agar cultures, monotubs, spore prints, syringes, SGFC, PF, shoebox tek, outdoor grow, etc. They are super easy to build and cost all of $10 to $20 total, if that much.

Next, you'll want to think about trying the shoebox tek. It's like a mini monotub, but if you get contams, it's no big deal, because it's isolated to one small shoebox. You just make 4 to 6 of those bad boys at a time, with at least 5 to 8 inoculated grain jars as backups.

That way if one or two go bad, you can toss them with ease, and simply spawn another one with your grain jars. (Each shoebox utilizes at least 1 to 2 Quart jars of inoculated/fully colonized grain jars)

If you're just growing for yourself and maybe your partner/friend, then I'd let you know shoeboxes are perfect for this. You're going to get way more fruits than you could ever eat with a half decent shoebox. (You should get at least 3 to 6 flushes with a half decent shoebox)

Get about 4 to 6 of them going, spaced about a week or 2 apart with spawn times. For example, shoebox #1 and #2 can be spawned on say the 1st of the month. Then about 10 to 15 days later spawn shoeboxes #3 and #4. Then in another 10 to 15 days spawn the last 2 shoeboxes.

In this way, you'll harvest weekly, as you will be able to get multiple flushes off each. My friend harvests every 3 to 4 days with this kind of set up. The first flush was barely 100 grams wet on the first shoebox, with the shroomies being very tiny and their caps opening up way early. But the potency was NO JOKE! Them tiny little things were NOT TINY in their effectiveness.

In anycase, the second flush had much fatter and bigger pins, with the shrooms hitting the lid, they grew so tall. The biggest one so far weighed 40 grams and was about 5 inches tall. So you can still get those big and tall shroomies with the shoebox tek.

(My friend's mistake was not having enough adequate lighting and FAE, as when she got some clamp lamps with 5000k LED light bulbs, and regularly fanned them 4 to 5 times a day for 10 minutes, the mycelium began to finally knot up, pin and fruit like crazy)

USE GRAINS
Like the other person stated, use grains. While you can get it from the feed store, you may want to consider going to a place like Whole Foods to get your Rye Berries or Wheat Berries. They are very cost efficient, about $1.30/lb. Plus, when you get them from a grocery store like Whole Foods, you don't have to worry about cleaning them as much. You can get away with rinsing the berries 4 or 5 times, then soaking them in water 12 to 24 hours, before pressure cooking them for 90 mins on 15PSI.

(If you haven't already check this video out by Roger Rabbit on preparing the perfect grain jars for inoculation and spawning. My friend follows this and they always come out perfect.
)

Worried about Contams in your jars? USE AGAR

Agar lets you take a contaminated syringe or a contaminated inoculation process and isolate the good mycelium from the contam. In this way, you can relax a bit about contamination, as you have a way to isolate it from your healthy mycelium.

Check out Pastywhyte's Agar tek.




My friend was afraid and intimidated by anything having to do with agar, until she came across this tek. You can get all the supplies at target, walmart or some other grocery store and it's super easy to make. Takes all of 10 minutes to make and then you PC it for 45 mins. Let it cool down for several hours or even overnight.

Once you've done the agar plates and they're cooled off, you'll use your syringe to inoculate the agar plates. Do about 8 or 10 of them at a time. Keep 1 or 2 as controls, meaning you don't even open them, much less inoculate the controls. If the controls don't contam, you know your agar tek is on point.

Once you have a nice clean agar plate with mycelium growing, you'll want to cut a section off that and repeat your agar tek, transferring agar to agar. Be sure to cut a section that looks organized (has rhizomorphic growth).

Most likely your first generation agar mycelium will look puffy/cottony all over. So you'll just take one small corner of it and transfer it to a clean agar plate. You wait 7 to 20 days for it to fully colonize the agar plate and then you repeat that process once or two more times. 3rd or 4th generation agar isolations will give you much better yields and fruits, the canopies you see some of the pros have.

You could directly inoculate your jars with a syringe, but with multispore syringe you have a lot more unpredictability in your results and yields. With just a little more patience, you can agar out whatever contams and avoid having to toss your jars or monotubs/shoeboxes in the trash later, when those unseen contams like to creep up.

Hope this helps, whew, I've written you a whole novel. :smile: Good luck on your grows!


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Cyrilion said:
Yeah i've been reading through a ton of threads on here so that i can get an idea on what to do for my next batch and not watch it crash and burn.
That one was a grow kit my buddy bought but couldn't grow at his place, sucks that it died before i got a full fruiting, only got like 12 grams total, but enough to intrigue me further.
Gonna build a SAB and make some agar inoculations, already have a PC, torch, and mason jars so i have most of my supplies just sitting around.
i'm thinking of using grass seed or brown rice, they seem to be fairly good and still easy to do up, then a 50/50 of verm and choir for casing with.
probably a few smaller monotubs so i'm not putting all my eggs in one basket, haven't decided which tek to follow yet, you guys do some really neat stuff.
Let me know if it sounds like i'm on the right track, but for now i just have a lot of research to do. :takingnotes:

The ethanol thing is really more to get the psychedelics sediment as a pure substance you can measure with exact precision instead of guessing off gram weight, plus i have a bunch of moonshine sitting around doing nothing and i like to play with extracts



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