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Offlinevuvu1
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Has any one perlite with the PF Tek ?
    #2561761 - 04/15/04 01:37 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I can't find vermiculite in any local shops. I need to know if perlite is a waste of time. If so what other mediums will work effectively?


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Re: Has any one perlite with the PF Tek ? [Re: vuvu1]
    #2561816 - 04/15/04 01:59 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

According to the Shroom Wizard's Guide, Perlite can be substituted in the substrate.http://www.shroomwizard.com/growguide.htmlyou should be able to find verm at a gardening store, walmart, or fred meyer.


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Re: Has any one perlite with the PF Tek ? [Re: vuvu1]
    #2561905 - 04/15/04 02:25 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Has any one ever used perlite before? Thanks for the reply mycoguy.


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Re: Has any one perlite with the PF Tek ? [Re: vuvu1]
    #2561937 - 04/15/04 02:35 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

You need Perlite regardless, Perlite cannot substitute Verm and vice versa.
And yes, Im using Perlite right now to maintain the right RH.


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Re: Has any one perlite with the PF Tek ? [Re: Hallucinogen]
    #2561947 - 04/15/04 02:39 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

So I can use perlite and BRF istead of vermiculite? I just want to be 110% sure ya know.


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Re: Has any one perlite with the PF Tek ? [Re: vuvu1]
    #2561964 - 04/15/04 02:45 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

No, that is what I just said, you cannot use one to substitute the other, you need both.


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Re: Has any one perlite with the PF Tek ? [Re: Hallucinogen]
    #2561983 - 04/15/04 02:51 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

gotcha thanks


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Re: Has any one perlite with the PF Tek ? [Re: vuvu1]
    #2561992 - 04/15/04 02:54 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Most of the garden stores sell verm & perlite, a garden store near me sold me 1 pound of verm for $2.99 and the perlite cost me $3.99.


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Re: Has any one perlite with the PF Tek ? [Re: vuvu1]
    #2562257 - 04/15/04 04:44 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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vuvu1 said:
So I can use perlite and BRF istead of vermiculite? I just want to be 110% sure ya know.



according to shroom wizard, YES, but he recommends verm.
He also uses verm in his casing. now, if you are wanting to grow from cakes, then you can only use perlite for your source of humidity... as opposed to verm. Read his grow guide.. its short.

(hallucinogen, i find it interesting that you are contradicting a proven tek, and you are so new to the forum. )-(yes i know, im new too) -->my apologies to hallucinogen, for that statement. But keep on reading this thread...it CAN be done.


Edited by mycoguy (04/17/04 12:15 AM)


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Re: Has any one perlite with the PF Tek ? [Re: vuvu1]
    #2562388 - 04/15/04 06:37 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Do not use perlite in place of verm. Think of it this way, your replacing little sponges with little pieces of lava rock. (Just a example folks)


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Re: Has any one perlite with the PF Tek ? [Re: mycoguy]
    #2563039 - 04/15/04 11:57 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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mycoguy said:
Quote:

vuvu1 said:
So I can use perlite and BRF istead of vermiculite? I just want to be 110% sure ya know.




according to shroom wizard, YES, but he recommends verm.
He also uses verm in his casing.

(hallucinogen, i find it interesting that you are contradicting a proven tek, and you are so new to the forum. )-(yes i know, im new too)




1st of all, after you said that YES you can replace verm with perlite proves you have no clue about mushrooms cultivation.
2nd just because I just registered dont mean Im a newbie, I already grown about 100 cakes, Ive been reading this website for years now :rolleyes:

Anyways, if you dont know something dont give out the wrong information and make the guy fail his grow.

Even Magash said what I said.


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Re: Has any one perlite with the PF Tek ? [Re: mycoguy]
    #2563051 - 04/15/04 12:11 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Shroom Wizards Tek is far from a proven tek.I have used it in the past with 100% failure rate and I know several others who have also had similar outcomes with his methods.I even bought a set of presteralized jars off him a few years ago and they came contaminated with Trich,so have no faith in his methods.The book he sends free with each order is a joke.The only really reliable tek for newbies is the PF tek.Stick to that.Although you may enjoy limited amounts of success other ways,its best to follow a real Proven Tek before messing around with others.
If you cant find verm anywhere go get a money order and mail it to mycosupply or one of the other sponsors and buy some online.Or buy a Mycobag,but you will be wasting your time using perlite.There is a brief writeup in the FAQ about substituting Perlite and although it says it did work somewhat,it also says that it didnt work very well.
They use perlite in potting soil to help with drainage.Used in a PF tek the water will be filtered down to the bottom.
In the PF tek you want exactly the oppisate effect,that is why you use verm,to Hold the water in not for drainage.


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Re: Has any one perlite with the PF Tek ? [Re: snatchcakes]
    #2563063 - 04/15/04 12:18 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Another person with the same facts, which means mycoguy if you dont know something dont go spread out the wrong information.


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Re: Has any one perlite with the PF Tek ? [Re: snatchcakes]
    #2563065 - 04/15/04 12:20 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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snatchcakes said:
Shroom Wizards Tek is far from a proven tek.I have used it in the past with 100% failure rate 




100% failure is bad  :shocked:


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Re: Has any one perlite with the PF Tek ? [Re: MoNk]
    #2563076 - 04/15/04 12:25 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

yes and I used 2 syringes to innoculate and both were from Hawk so I know they were good(I also used the left over l;ater on differant jars and they worked fine.).
Thats why I stopped right then using the Shroom Wizard Tek and havent used it nor recomended it in almost 3 years.His book says steralization is not really needed and that you can just remove the lid in open air and scrape spores in as long as it takes less than 30 seconds!lol what a joke.


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Re: Has any one perlite with the PF Tek ? [Re: snatchcakes]
    #2563098 - 04/15/04 12:35 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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yes and I used 2 syringes to innoculate and both were from Hawk so I know they were good(I also used the left over l;ater on differant jars and they worked fine.).
Thats why I stopped right then using the Shroom Wizard Tek and havent used it nor recomended it in almost 2 years.His book says steralization is not really needed and that you can just remove the lid in open air and scrape spores in as long as it takes less than 30 seconds!lol what a joke




Mayby he lives in the desert... or on the moon :headbang:


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Re: Has any one perlite with the PF Tek ? [Re: OJK]
    #2563144 - 04/15/04 12:54 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Odiumjunkie said:

Mayby he lives in the desert... or on the moon :headbang:




:lol:


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Re: Has any one perlite with the PF Tek ? [Re: snatchcakes]
    #2563842 - 04/15/04 03:33 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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His book says steralization is not really needed and that you can just remove the lid in open air and scrape spores in as long as it takes less than 30 seconds




You have got to be shitting me. Telling people stuff like that is just fucked up. I don't think that I've heard one person who has had good success with his methods but telling people stuff like that is wrong to do.


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Re: Has any one perlite with the PF Tek ? [Re: Magash]
    #2563903 - 04/15/04 03:42 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Yep now that is in the book I have that he sent me way back when I ordered the jars.
This is what he says on his website:
  While you are doing this it is a good idea to either hold your breath or tie a scarf over your mouth and nose so you don't breathe germs into the jars while the lids are off (about 15 seconds for each jar).  First you will need to take the thumbtack and poke two small holes, one on each side of the jar lid across from each other near the edge (without removing the lid from the jar).Use the cigarette lighter to heat the point of the knife until it is almost red hot and then let it cool back down to room temperature which should take a couple minutes. Making slow moves, to keep from causing a breeze, you can now take the lid off of the first jar and lie it upside down on top of one of the other jars so you will have both hands free. Open your sporeprint, hold it at a sharp angle over the open jar and with the tip of the knife scrape a small amount of spores on top of the substrate in the jar, immediately replace and tighten the lid. Breathe.  Now take one of the paper coffeepot filters, center it on top of the jar lid you just inoculated, fold the excess filter down around the sides of the jar and secure it in place with a rubberband. Repeat this process until you have inoculated all of the jars. As far as how many spores to use; If you can see "any" spores fall into the jar, that is sufficient. It usually takes an area of sporeprint about the size of a match head to inoculate each jar


It seems he has  changed it a bit over the years but i still wouldnt follow his teks.
BTW his "Book"that he sent me with the beat jars is actually just a plastic jacket that you would turn a report into your teacher in,and its just 10 pages photocopied,that he signs.And he sells it for $20!!!! :wtf:


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Re: Has any one perlite with the PF Tek ? [Re: snatchcakes]
    #2563943 - 04/15/04 03:48 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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It seems he has changed it a bit over the years




He may have changed it, never did it, but changed it.

Quote:

BTW his "Book"that he sent me with the beat jars is actually just a plastic jacket that you would turn a report into your teacher in,and its just 10 pages photocopied,that he signs.And he sells it for $20!!!!




He's not friends with the keeper is he?

You want to see the biggest ripoff on earth. This clown prays on noobs. Renames spores then charges up the ass and when I say up the ass I mean up the ass.

Largest rip off on earth. This is old news to most but I thought you'd like to see the prices for a laugh


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