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    #25616444 - 11/15/18 03:01 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Looking to find anyone with similar spirituality. Born and raised Christian, but my father was Cherokee Indian. Anyone know about the native American life?


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Re: Pagans/ Native Americans [Re: Luko]
    #25616792 - 11/15/18 06:01 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I think the Native American life is pretty much extinct, except in very widely spaced, very small pockets. Most of the languages are gone, and what's left is dying. It's very tragic.


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Re: Pagans/ Native Americans [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #25616858 - 11/15/18 06:35 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Right. It's really sad, which is why I enjoy to try to attribute their spirituality in to my every day life. I would love to learn more. I have a song book that I can speak in the Lakota language. One of my close friends is from the Sioux tribe.


I'd like to learn as much as I could about the natives.  One day the last true native will die. And when that happens, I'd want to be able to pass it one to the younger generations, i.e. kids, grandkids, etc.


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Re: Pagans/ Native Americans [Re: Luko]
    #25617503 - 11/15/18 11:54 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I wish you success in that endeavor.


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Re: Pagans/ Native Americans [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #25617712 - 11/16/18 02:08 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Native American Shamanism!!

Roots for the Great all thing in between everything...The way of the magical circles..and their inherent Dystopian mechanism drain..which is the left way of the magical prophecy..that says i'm a Prophet..on the internet typing in revelations!


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Re: Pagans/ Native Americans [Re: Luko]
    #25619180 - 11/16/18 05:34 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)



I just realized he looks like that dude in cabin fever 2.
I am a small bit Cherokee, maybe. My Grandma was, I think.


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Re: Pagans/ Native Americans [Re: Luko]
    #25624420 - 11/19/18 02:59 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Looking to find anyone with similar spirituality. Born and raised Christian, but my father was Cherokee Indian. Anyone know about the native American life?




Ever read Lame Deer Seeker of Visions? It's a book by a Sioux medicine man. It's basically an autobiography but with lots of information about Sioux/native spirituality scattered throughout and it's entertaining and easy to read.


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Re: Pagans/ Native Americans [Re: Peyote Road]
    #25624839 - 11/19/18 10:54 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I have not read it, but I will definitely look for it when I go to the local library. Thank you.


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Re: Pagans/ Native Americans [Re: Luko]
    #25624939 - 11/19/18 11:47 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I second Peyote Road's recommendation. That's a great book.


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Re: Pagans/ Native Americans [Re: Luko]
    #25624945 - 11/19/18 11:52 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Native americans aren't pagans and the various forms of Native Shamanism/Totemism were not pagan.


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Re: Pagans/ Native Americans [Re: Near Dylan]
    #25626722 - 11/20/18 05:26 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Some people use the word pagan to describe essentially all native, non Christian nature based religions.


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Re: Pagans/ Native Americans [Re: Peyote Road]
    #25627018 - 11/20/18 10:21 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Some people are wrong.

It's just semantics, but ya kno. It's important to make the distinction that pagan does not equal non-Christian, and historical discussion about the topic should pay mind to that. By that logic, Islam is paganism.

Mesopaganism is a made up term by amateur historians to try and make something for themselves. Pagan just refers to non-christian, generally polytheistic religions, that occurred in Europe during the reign of the Roman Empire, including European religions that were not practiced in regions occupied by Rome. It's essentially like the term "barbarian". Refers to non-roman tribes and cultures. But in Europe. You wouldn't call the Ming dynasty in China "barbarians", you know


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Re: Pagans/ Native Americans [Re: Near Dylan]
    #25627038 - 11/20/18 10:33 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Right, I've just always wondered why they (some people) say that native Americans are pagans. I pray to my Creator/ God daily for spirituality guidance and healing.

I really want to learn about how to do the N.A. ceremonies, I.e. pipe ceremonies, smudgings and even the sweat lodge. I feel there is a lot of benefits to the N.A. lifestyle that is similar to Christianity.


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Re: Pagans/ Native Americans [Re: Luko]
    #25634407 - 11/23/18 02:32 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I was Crazy Horse in a past life.
But it doesn't matter whether or not you believe in past lives or in Crazy Horse.
It is a fact.
Call me chief of the kinnickinnick pipe!


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Re: Native American spirituality [Re: Luko] * 1
    #25634597 - 11/23/18 04:24 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Looking to find anyone with similar spirituality. Born and raised Christian, but my father was Cherokee Indian. Anyone know about the native American life?



You mean Cherokee?  Because there are a shitload of tribes.


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Re: Native American spirituality [Re: chibiabos]
    #25634609 - 11/23/18 04:31 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I was taught by a first nations preacher that native americans where he's from like to be called "first nations people".


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Re: Native American spirituality [Re: saintdextro] * 1
    #25634614 - 11/23/18 04:32 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I dont know much about their traditions only that they liked to eat peyote and smoke tobacco in ther tepees...

but i bet native americans wished they had let the colonizers starve to death


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Re: Native American spirituality [Re: AIRDOG]
    #25642661 - 11/27/18 02:49 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

"i have Cherokee in my blood"  :tellmeastory:

no offense but if i had a dollar every time i heard this... i could buy them all "injun" passes so they can call themselves "injuns"


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Re: Native American spirituality [Re: AIRDOG]
    #25647811 - 11/30/18 05:07 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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I dont know much about their traditions only that they liked to eat peyote and smoke tobacco in ther tepees...

but i bet native americans wished they had let the colonizers starve to death




Only a few tribes actually ate peyote until after the white man came. It spread throughout the native population of the USA in the 1800s, prior to that it was mainly used in and around what is now Mexico. As it spread and exploded in popularity not all native americans were in favor of it, and in some communities a split formed between the peyoters and those who followed the traditional ways. Many of the older Native American medicine men were not impressed with it and some believed it was harmful and dangerous.

This medicine is one of the four spirits from below, and for that reason it is a bad thing. These spirits have always longed for human beings and now they are getting hold of them. Those who use this medicine claim that when they die they will only be going on a long journey. But that is not the truth, for when they eat peyote they destroy their spirits, and death to them will mean extermination. If I spit upon the floor, the sputum will soon dry up and nothing will remain of it. So death will be for them. I might go out and preach against this doctrine, but it would be of no avail, for I certainly would not be able to draw more than one or two people away from this spirit. Many will be taken in by this medicine; they will not be able to help themselves in any way. The bad spirit will certainly seize them."

-  Winnebago elder [Paul Radin, The Peyote Cult]

The peyote ceremonies were not accompanied by the acceptance of Christian beliefs and practices, and the Mescaleros never became involved in the Peyote Religion (see Slotkin, 1956).2 Instead, the use of peyote was intended to affirm the vitality of traditional religious practices at a time when the impact of reservation confinement contributed to an increased awareness of social and cultural deprivation. Yet antagonisms became so open and bloody that eventually the peyote gatherings were abandoned. The hostilities which became overt during the meetings were ascribed to the peyote. Since its use involved witchcraft practices, its ingestion was equated with the potential for witchcraft. It will be recalled that, in the native conceptualization, power has no intrinsic attribute of good or evil, and can be used for moral or immoral purposes at the will of its human owner. To our knowledge, peyote power is unique among the Mescaleros in that it is uniformly considered to be bad. Some Mescaleros believe that one other power, the owl, is intrinsically evil.

James Sydney Slotkin, The Peyote Religion (Glencoe, Ill.: The Free Press, 1956)


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Re: Native American spirituality [Re: Peyote Road]
    #25660288 - 12/05/18 09:48 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

good info! thanks


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