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spreadhe4d
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Hi I’m new here and need a hand please
#25614392 - 11/14/18 01:15 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Howdy folks, been a lurker for a while and have had good success in the past with the brf P.F. tek but now going to try something new and would like some feedback before I have the chance to fuck up!
Doing agar isolation > wheat berry spawn > g2g > bulk tubs. Starting with 3 varieties of PE (ape and peu).
I’m sectioning off half of my bathroom with drywall. That leaves about a 5’x5’ area with a knee wall and sloped ceiling, so volume I would guess would be ~125cf. Just so we are clear, not a nice rectangular shape for airflow.
I am curious of the best way to turn the room into one big fruiting chamber. Is this worth trying? I’m thinking I could colonize the substrate in pans/shallow tubs and just leave them open in the room instead of dealing with individually enclosed tubs.
I know FAE is big so I was thinking of building an ultrasonic humidifier and running outside air into that. There’s a dryer vent in the room but I’m concerned that the air will be too cold to continually run air from the outside in. Maybe I will just have a fan hooked up to a temperature control outlet and use that to cool the air if needed. In that case I will pull air in from the other part of the bathroom into the humidifier.
Can I put a small vortex fan in the center and point it straight up at the sloped ceiling and call it good for airflow?
For lights, was thinking just rope leds above each shelf on a timer for 12/12.
Going to line the room in panda film and slope the floor with plywood to catch condensation.
So all in all, it’s a small space that I’m going to fill with lighted shelving, an ultrasonic humidifier (probably hooked to a humidistat), a vortex fan circulating air from floor to ceiling, air intake either from the other part of the bathroom or the outside dryer vent, and hoping to run open top tubs/trays.
Can y’all help me figure out if I’m setting myself up for catastrophic failure or if I’m overlooking something. Greatly appreciated and you have been very helpful already in my ventures.
Edit for confusion: should I turn this small space into a greenhouse or just stick with mono tubs?
Edited by spreadhe4d (11/16/18 02:47 PM)
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36fuckin5
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Re: Hi I’m new and need a hand [Re: spreadhe4d] 1
#25614433 - 11/14/18 01:27 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just do monotubs. No need to section off a room, and definitely don't use your bathroom of all places.
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i recommend common sense and figuring it out.
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filthyknees
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Re: Hi I’m new and need a hand [Re: 36fuckin5]
#25614692 - 11/14/18 03:11 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'll just leave this here...
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large_dose said: This is more about the container than the grow so i made the subcategory equipment. They were done under the same conditions as usual but stacked ontop of eachother... Saves hella space.
 
Drill holes so that the bottom of each hole is the depth you want your substrate at, you need to add some holes at the top too, however many will work. With the clear tubs i used two black trashbag's to block light from the sides of the tub and act as a tray.
 
Your jars are fully colonized and its time to spawn. Assuming your using my easy coir tek you already have the substrate measured out for each tub in each bucket your using... dump it all in and even it out a little.
 
I like to use a fork to get the WBS out of the jars dump all but a quart onto your substrate and mix it in well, then cut excess trashbag away.
 
Now use your last quart as a "frosting layer" Spread it evenly then mix into the top inch or so of substrate.
  
Obviously nothing fancy, but a good tool the level. I use it to scrape the top of the substrate and make it level as it can get.
 
I then pack the holes loosely with polyfil and put a blanket over them for colonization. Here's a closeup of how the substrate looks before putting lid on, and the whole fineshed tub.
 
harvest pics.
  
  
If you have any questions please feel free to ask.. credit goes to all of you who's supplied good information to this board and especially ohm and mm who played a good role in this method of fruiting. Some other great monotub links using clear bins, you might wanna refer to:
Eatyualives monotubs http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7780127/an/0/page/0 Fahsters monotubs http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7893964/an/0/page/0 Ohms monotubs http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5276282#5276282 Azurensces monotubs http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7946219/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1
People tend to make life more complicated than it can be, we all have different size holes and air currents, all with great results. Tweak it to your preforation and you'll end up with wonderful results like these, works great with any strain.
  
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36fuckin5
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Re: Hi I’m new and need a hand [Re: filthyknees]
#25614809 - 11/14/18 04:04 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would not do a "frosting layer" because it is gonna dry out way too fast. Just mix it all up. Do a casing or psuedo-casing if you want.
Don't put a blanket over them either.
-------------------- Pat The Bunny said:
A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me.
bodhisatta said:
i recommend common sense and figuring it out.
These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.
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spreadhe4d
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Re: Hi I’m new and need a hand [Re: 36fuckin5]
#25614908 - 11/14/18 04:52 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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@filthyknees, thank you. I’m aware of the mono tubs, guess my long winded post was more of a question of should I just use mono tubs or try and turn the small space into a greenhouse. Sorry I didn’t know the term at first. I like the idea of using 8x12 tubs covered in foil to colonize in an incubator then moving them to fruit in an open space. This will allow more experimentation with varieties. BUT I’m a big fan of the kiss method and it’s possible I’m trying to over complicate things. I’ll probably end up doing mono tubs in the end lol.
@36fuckin5 I probably will go the mono tub route. I was just curious for the aforementioned reasons. And it’s a spotless bathroom that doesn’t get used and it’s the only space in the house (no attic, no basement). But I would prefer if it was “separate” from the living space. Do I need to worry about the humidity in that small space if I have a small fan, an intake/exhaust and temp all squared away? I.e supplementing humidity even with monotubs. We’re moving into winter and it gets pretty dry.
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filthyknees
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Re: Hi I’m new and need a hand [Re: spreadhe4d]
#25615685 - 11/15/18 05:00 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just use tubs. All the require is 60-70°F, a little air circulation and ambient light or a light on a timer if you wanna be ballin.
Avoid all the extra stuff you're talking about buying. No greenhouse, no foil, no incubator.
At the most you may have to mist your tubs one time before harvest -- IF the surface is dry, I treat this stuff as it should be treated - set and forget.
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If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow
That it's one thing to try and another to fly
You get there quicker just a step at a time
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Re: Hi I’m new and need a hand [Re: filthyknees]
#25616270 - 11/15/18 11:26 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sounds like you are definitely overthinking things. Tubs are fine. They don't need an incubator, that's very old info...just colonize at room temp with ambient lighting. No need to modify your house.
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Who do new people always think they need to do an a isolation on agar just to grow some fucking shrooms? There is NO reason to start fucking with isolations when your new. Just get a culture clean, transfer it 3 more times to MAKE SURE it is clean, and nothing hiding. Then either expand to multiple plates so you can inoculate a bunch of jars, or just put that plate to a jar of grain. Isolation is something advanced and NOT needed.
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Quote:
TheMadHatter420 said: Who do new people always think they need to do an a isolation on agar just to grow some fucking shrooms? There is NO reason to start fucking with isolations when your new. Just get a culture clean, transfer it 3 more times to MAKE SURE it is clean, and nothing hiding. Then either expand to multiple plates so you can inoculate a bunch of jars, or just put that plate to a jar of grain. Isolation is something advanced and NOT needed.
When I started a few months ago, I cut a wedge of agar and transferred it to a new plate. I thought that I "isolated" that wedge from the old plate. Once upon a time I was retarded.
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Re: Hi I’m new and need a hand [Re: DonnyNeon]
#25616446 - 11/15/18 01:04 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm new as well and I would recommend just picking an updated simple tek and following it to a t until you are successful and fully understand it. A lot of this stuff is simple once you understand it I think but I've kept my focus narrow until I get a handle on what I'm doing. I started 2 months ago when I thought I knew enough but I've learned a ton since then and have kept my focus narrow. Plenty of time to try different things down the road. Dont get too many irons in too many different fires it just over complicates things.
Good luck to you
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spreadhe4d
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Quote:
TheMadHatter420 said: Who do new people always think they need to do an a isolation on agar just to grow some fucking shrooms? There is NO reason to start fucking with isolations when your new. Just get a culture clean, transfer it 3 more times to MAKE SURE it is clean, and nothing hiding. Then either expand to multiple plates so you can inoculate a bunch of jars, or just put that plate to a jar of grain. Isolation is something advanced and NOT needed.
Damn brother, why are you getting your panties in a bunch over something so silly? It’s my fault for not clarifying but I’m new to contributing to the forum not the hobby. Started with straight pf tek then modified it to do bulk subs. Now that I’m up on the hip lingo, I should have asked “should I turn this small space into a greenhouse or should I just stick to monotubs?” My bad. And plus, we’re not dealing with brain surgery or rocket science, pretty basic stuff here, especially with years of lab work experience.
To all, thanks for the input. Think I’ll stick with tubs.
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Re: Hi I’m new and need a hand [Re: spreadhe4d]
#25619148 - 11/16/18 03:17 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think the greenhouse type room/space can be a bit tough to dial in is all. Once you've grown a bunch and have good working knowledge of what they need I'm sure it would go just fine. Without that I'd worry you'd run into a bunch of issues and failed grows. Good luck with the tubs man
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