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    #25612095 - 11/13/18 01:13 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Hey everyone,

Sorry if this is in the wrong place, I'm pretty inexperienced with all this.
I'm growing Golden Teachers using the PF Tek, temperatures are around 70-75 degrees, the jars colonized very quickly (less than two weeks for some), and I birthed them into a SGFC 9 days ago. Light comes from above from a weak lamp and it's near a window but never gets direct sun.

I've been misting and fanning 3-5 times a day and...nothing. The cakes are starting to turn blue. White fuzz is growing on top of the cakes and on the bottom half, but no still no pinning as far as I can tell.

What do I do? Is the humidity too low? Do I need to dunk and roll? I only put about an inch of perlite in there.

Here are images from about two days ago - the bluing has gotten worse, but nothing else has changed.





Without advice to the contrary, if I don't see anything by tomorrow, I'm going to dunk and roll and put in more perlite. I've also now covered about 35% of the holes on the fruiting chamber.

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Re: Need advice (first serious grow) [Re: voodoomaximum]
    #25612101 - 11/13/18 01:17 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Bumping/adding something - the bluing is/was much worse than it appears in the pictures, here it is today:



Forgive me if I'm just being impatient, I just want this to work. Thanks!

Edited by voodoomaximum (11/13/18 01:17 PM)

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Re: Need advice (first serious grow) [Re: voodoomaximum] * 1
    #25612117 - 11/13/18 01:23 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

It's dry and that chamber should be raised up atleast 2" off the ground to allow air up through your bottom holes. Also fanning is pointless, just mist as needed.

I would give this a read.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542#20195542

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Re: Need advice (first serious grow) [Re: LtLurker]
    #25612128 - 11/13/18 01:31 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Chamber is lifted about 3" - should I dunk or just continue misting?

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Re: Need advice (first serious grow) [Re: voodoomaximum]
    #25612133 - 11/13/18 01:33 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

keep it to misting, shouldn't need to be dunked again untill after it flushes. You could roll them in verm to help hold more moisture at the surface as well.

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Re: Need advice (first serious grow) [Re: LtLurker]
    #25612208 - 11/13/18 02:12 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't dunk to begin with, could that be why they're dehydrated?

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Re: Need advice (first serious grow) [Re: voodoomaximum]
    #25612222 - 11/13/18 02:19 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Definitely mist  them more, the blueing is because they are dried out.


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Re: Need advice (first serious grow) [Re: Astonish]
    #25612409 - 11/13/18 04:05 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

yeah, mist them like buggery :smile:
you could also place the cakes on a circle of tin foil, so they're not sat in the perlite. moisture could be being leached away from the cakes by the perlite if it's not damp enough.
a little watering from beneath could help if they stay blue, a few drops on the tin foil.

good luck!

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Re: Need advice (first serious grow) [Re: voodoomaximum]
    #25612470 - 11/13/18 04:38 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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voodoomaximum said:
I didn't dunk to begin with, could that be why they're dehydrated?




Yes, sit them on up turned lids with a couple of millimetres of water in.


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Re: Need advice (first serious grow) [Re: Bumholio]
    #25612486 - 11/13/18 04:44 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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voodoomaximum said:
I didn't dunk to begin with, could that be why they're dehydrated?




Yes, sit them on up turned lids with a couple of millimetres of water in.




Would that encourage contamination or cause problems? How long should I leave it in?

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Re: Need advice (first serious grow) [Re: Bumholio] * 1
    #25612489 - 11/13/18 04:46 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Bottom water directions:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23709670

To prevent contam the trick is to let it dry before refilling. You don't want a constant puddle for days.

Edited by LtLurker (11/13/18 04:50 PM)

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Re: Need advice (first serious grow) [Re: LtLurker]
    #25615315 - 11/14/18 08:48 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

So...to dunk or not to dunk?

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Re: Need advice (first serious grow) [Re: voodoomaximum]
    #25615585 - 11/15/18 02:20 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I always dunk for 24 hours when I birthed my cakes. seemed to help
might be a bit late now, but it wouldn't hurt if they're still dry

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Re: Need advice (first serious grow) [Re: keeno]
    #25615609 - 11/15/18 02:52 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but these are about to turn green on you.
1st You did not dunk to hydrate the cakes
2nd It would appear that these are sitting on the perlite (that will suck them dry)
It appears that the top of the cake have new white growth. That white growth is going to
turn into trich mold.
IMO start over and follow the tek if you want to succeed.

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Re: Need advice (first serious grow) [Re: elPeligroso 5150]
    #25615749 - 11/15/18 06:20 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe you can still crumble and case em? Or at least dunk em. But it would appear  like they are about to turn on you. Good luck tho.

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Re: Need advice (first serious grow) [Re: Bph]
    #25615764 - 11/15/18 06:33 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

SGFC operate on high levels of FAE and therefore evaporation.  Since you didn't dunk them after birthing and they are sitting directly on the perlite they are most definitely dried out and unsalvageable I would guess.  The only time you dont dunk cakes after birthing is when you grate them to a bulk sub.  I'm afraid you just need to start over.  Sorry man...

Edited by Guy on a buffalo (11/15/18 06:33 AM)

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Re: Need advice (first serious grow) [Re: Guy on a buffalo] * 1
    #25615785 - 11/15/18 06:48 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

+1 to what everyone has said.  You really needed to dunk those cakes.

The best thing to do is to start over.  Don't re-use anything you have in this grow as it could well be contaminated.

Having said that, if you wanted to try and salvage it, theres no harm in doing a little experiment.  Wash the cakes under clean running water - rub off anything thats developed on the surface.  Dunk in water for 24 hours, then roll in verm, and put them back in the fruiting chamber on squares of foil as mentioned above.

It is extremely likely you will just end up with a mass of horrible contamination and no fruits for your efforts.  But you will have learnt some stuff in the process.

Bear in mind that its also a very real possibility that you may contaminate your entire grow area (The whole room you grow in) with trich spores or other mold spores, potentially ruining any future clean grows that you do attempt.  Even if your later grows are clean, trich spores from this grow could contaminate them, so bear that in mind before you try and salvage anything.  People say "throw it away and start again" All the time, and for good reason.  But IMO there is no harm doing some little experiments yourself to learn what you can and can't get away with - so long as you know the risks you are taking.

Go research trichoderma, read up on it, look at photos.  The more you can learn from your mistakes, the better.

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Re: Need advice (first serious grow) [Re: delcat]
    #25615797 - 11/15/18 06:56 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Personally I probably would take them out.. and dunk. Probably will pin next day lol.

They're thirsty!


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Edited by Vibe_Enthusiast (11/15/18 06:57 AM)

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Re: Need advice (first serious grow) [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
    #25616252 - 11/15/18 11:16 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I also feel like these look like they are about to turn green. I'd suggest starting over. Next time, dunk cakes for 24 hours before putting them in the FC. If your environment is super dry, you may want to consider casing the cakes instead. Trust me, we all had to start somewhere and learn our lessons the hard way. But you do learn something and can improve from every mistake.


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Re: Need advice (first serious grow) [Re: BloomingAlchemy]
    #25616359 - 11/15/18 12:14 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Wow that's scary. Our cakes are about 5 days from being birthed, this is my worst fear. We are going to try and use 3 soaked towels at the bottom and use no holes in our container. Just flipping the lid upside down and hope it keeps a ton of humidity. I hope that after re dunking yours and rolling them that they recover. Good luck!

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Re: Need advice (first serious grow) [Re: Rot] * 1
    #25616604 - 11/15/18 02:37 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Wow that's scary. Our cakes are about 5 days from being birthed, this is my worst fear. We are going to try and use 3 soaked towels at the bottom and use no holes in our container. Just flipping the lid upside down and hope it keeps a ton of humidity. I hope that after re dunking yours and rolling them that they recover. Good luck!




Well, good news and bad news: Bad news is I saw signs of contamination on a cake which I immediately threw out. 2/6 other cakes have tiny spots that may be contaminated, so I have them under close watch to see if the spots grow.

The other 3/6 are currently in a 18-24 hour dunk. Hopefully they will be okay.

However, good news - one of the cakes looks like it's pinning. It's one of the ones I'm monitoring for contamination. But, after a regime of heavy misting *WITHOUT DUNKING* it managed to pin. Psilocybe Cubensis is a truly resilient species, I applaud nature and the breeders who have accomplished thhis.

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Re: Need advice (first serious grow) [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
    #25617839 - 11/16/18 03:31 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Personally I probably would take them out.. and dunk. Probably will pin next day lol.

They're thirsty!



That would be a huge waste of time and could spread trich spores all throughout his grow area.

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Re: Need advice (first serious grow) [Re: voodoomaximum]
    #25617843 - 11/16/18 03:36 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

You are asking for trouble. Do you tho. Good luck. lol

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