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ithikuss
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TheMadHatter420 said: YEA, but grating it opens it up to being over taken by contamination.
I see, coir and verm sandwich ftw then lol. Although, all of it seems like more work than some grain or seeds though for going the bulk route. from what I can tell... though, boats and floating eh?
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36fuckin5
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TheMadHatter420 said: YEA, but grating it opens it up to being over taken by contamination.
No it doesn't. It should be colonized and clean before you grate it up. If it's not clean it's trash.
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i recommend common sense and figuring it out.
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stareatclouds
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: 36fuckin5] 1
#25609973 - 11/12/18 04:31 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: I'm allowed to grow how I want and give whatever advice I want. I tell people what has worked reliably for me.
That's exactly what LotKid did initially and you were rude for no reason. He even backed his post up with pics so obviously it works (which isn't far fetched anyway given gravity is at work). What's the point of calling something dumb with zero evidence or reasoning to back your opinion? How tough is it to say, "Right on, I never thought of doing that?"
I've seen LotKid post tons of excellent grows and canopies on a consistent basis. Where are yours? So far all I've seen you do is tell people they have to wash their jars in between PC cycles, lol. Beyond that, you're just the dude who thinks you have to pasteurize coir.
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mushroomnate
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: 36fuckin5]
#25609990 - 11/12/18 04:39 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yea,I've never had a problem with contamination from grating the cakes. Faster colonization IME. But by slicing and covering with coir,you could get some good results. I used to crumble and case my shoeboxes and salad trays years back. One cake crumbled per plate topped with 50/50 peat/verm.
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ShroomyToons
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: mushroomnate]
#25613047 - 11/13/18 08:51 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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There's more than one way to make a mushroom grow.
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SunnyDayze
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: ShroomyToons]
#25613157 - 11/13/18 10:03 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Does the depth of the sub make a difference on the sides and bottoms fruiting?
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TheMadHatter420
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: SunnyDayze]
#25613311 - 11/14/18 12:07 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nope. It is ALL about the surface conditions!!!!
Here is a link to a really good guide for learning how to get surface conditions right. Helped me a lot.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23999053
The depth of the sub has some affect on the size of the shrooms. Thinner subs tend to have shorter shrooms, while deeper subs tend to get bigger shrooms. There is a limit to it though.
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: LotKid] 1
#25613321 - 11/14/18 12:18 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: I'll just leave with this: I never asked for a tag. I logged on one day and just had it. It wasn't discussed with me. And honestly, I don't care about it. I've tried to sell it a couple times, lol. It doesn't make my dick bigger or make me a better grower.
If you could sell it then that would mean you have control over it.
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But you won't. I dare you! If I see with no tag I'll have a whole new respect for you. Until then... you're all fucking talk, homie.
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I gave my advice. Take it if you want. I don't care. Enough with the stupid drama.
And this gives you the right to call someone else's (proven and backed up with pics) advice "dumb"?
I understand why the TC tag was created. But noobs take the word of a TC as gospel.
Sorry, I couldn't leave it alone.
Maybe the TC tag shouldn't be handed out willy nilly.
I'd rather not have one.
The boards would probably be better off without them.
Hamloaf had his tag taken and he had to fight for it back yet other TCs are allowed to do this bullshit and get away with it? Are you fucking kidding me?!?
If the ppl who run the shroomery let this kind of attitude run rampant in those they choose to be "trusted" then the future of this hobby is ineed... in jeopardy.
If any admins are looking I'm letting you know now. Off the boards... the TC tag is a fucking joke!
Really? Give it a fucking rest kid i am glad you can grow a tub of fucking cubes , make me proud nnteary eyed n shit keep that up but it is salty shit like this that drives users away you said it yourself, if you don't like the way shits run here feel free to log out. Back to the topic at hand folks
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stareatclouds
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TheMadHatter420 said: Nope. It is ALL about the surface conditions!!!!
Here is a link to a really good guide for learning how to get surface conditions right. Helped me a lot.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23999053
The depth of the sub has some affect on the size of the shrooms. Thinner subs tend to have shorter shrooms, while deeper subs tend to get bigger shrooms. There is a limit to it though.
Correct, but substrate monotub sub depth still plays a role in all of the above, doesn't it? A deeper sub will provide more water for the fruit bodies to grow through cell enlargement. And surface conditions and RH are also affected by the moisture in the substrate as well.
But yes, ensuring that surface conditions on the surface are better than the microclimate provided on the side/bottom are the fix. Just thinking out loud if "set and forget" and dialing in for surface conditions is easier when there's a bit more moisture in the sub available initially. I'd assume yes.
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TheMadHatter420
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: stareatclouds]
#25613608 - 11/14/18 05:36 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is true to some extent, but unless they are making it super thin this shouldn't be an issue. Also this can be fairly well controlled with dialing in the mono tub holes. BUT YES I guess it does have some minor effect, but we can manipulate the surface conditions via misting.
OP just an FYI, most of us run between a 2 inch and 3.5 inch sub and it works out good.
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SunnyDayze
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Thanks Mad and Stare. I knew my conditions have been off, just wondering if that was a factor. Didn’t know deeper depths would produce bigger fruit but it makes sense.
Have a couple new tubs on the go, try to fix some shit. My canopies are ok but so many side and bottom fruit.
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stareatclouds
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: SunnyDayze]
#25613768 - 11/14/18 08:18 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can get huge fruits from tiny subs if you're misting or bottom watering. Here's good post by RR on this.
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TheMadHatter420
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: stareatclouds]
#25613858 - 11/14/18 09:21 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have also noticed a correlation in the number of pins you get. Like if you get a full canopy they tend to be in the 3-4, maybe 5 inch range. But with a spotty pin set it puts basically the same amount of growing energy into fewer shrooms and they get bigger. I have gotten into the 6-8 inch range on first flush with shitty spotty pin sets. There is a lot of variables, but we CAN control the surface conditions for pinning. Some times you cant help but get side pins. The question is, are you getting like maybe a doze on the whole tub, or are you getting a shit load on the sides and bottom.
In my experience growing, contamination can cause bad side and bottom pinning. Basically the culture knows it is fighting a loosing battle, so it tries to put out fruits any where and every where that it can, in the pursuit of completing its goal in life, producing spores for the next generation. Now this is just a correlation that I have noticed in my growing experience. Every time I get a full canopy and a massive amount of out of place pins with the canopy, well green shows right away. Canopy without a shit load of out of place pins and it has a chance at a 2nd flush. I think it is bacteria that causes it, and the green mold is a secondary contamination that used the bacteria as an entry point.
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stareatclouds
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Do you also think it could be that such a huge flush has expended all of the energy so it's not strong enough to fight off contams?
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SunnyDayze
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: stareatclouds]
#25615058 - 11/14/18 06:25 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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stareatclouds said: You can get huge fruits from tiny subs if you're misting or bottom watering. Here's good post by RR on this.
Interesting. He says you should mist through all stages. I thought it was common to stop misting as soon as you see pins. It didn’t really make sense to me though that the side and bottoms were so wet and the mushies seemed to love that part too. I do have lots of fruit on top too for the record. Think I will listen to RR and see what happens!
Thanks again.
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stareatclouds
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: SunnyDayze]
#25615159 - 11/14/18 07:20 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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RR never really grew from monotubs so take his advice towards them with a grain of salt. But it's not true that you can't/shouldn't mist a pinset. The issue is resting water from lack of evaporation. You shouldn't soak pins, but if they could use it, misting is fine. The goal is to dial in conditions with a happy medium of air exchange to allow for consistent evaporation without drying out the substrate.
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