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2nd Trip...4 Grams...No Closed Eye Visuals...WTF
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So I had my 2nd Trip Friday night. I took 4 grams of a combo of Ecuador and Burma cubes. I had taken 3 grams and had a limited experience about a week before. The thread is available here. This time around I ate 4 grams in hopes of a more profound experience. It didn't turn out that way. Physically and mood were equally as intense and positive. Unfortunately I only saw some very limited open eye hallucinations and no closed eye visuals. Things would seem to distort at times with my eyes open. I really expected more out of this experience. It was fun but not what I was hoping to achieve. I didn't even have the sounds I had heard first time around, various alien sound fragments. I know they affect people in different ways, but maybe I am doing something wrong.

I had waited a week between trips to avoid tolerance build up. Shrooms were dried on a food dehydrator that shouldn't have gotten up to temps that would degrade the psilocybin.

I don't visualize well. Do you think this could limit my experience with shrooms? Should I step it up to 5 grams next time? I plan to wait 2 weeks at least if my impatience doesn't get in the way.

The reason I decided to try psychedelics was in hopes having a life altering experience. I can be a dick sometimes and I wanted to achieve a new perspective that could improve my life and my relationship with my wife. I want to experience entities or realms not attainable in a lucid mindset. Through these first 2 experiences I don't think anything occurred that would even give me something to incorporate or think about deeply. Where do I go from here?

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Re: 2nd Trip...4 Grams...No Closed Eye Visuals...WTF [Re: Dimensional Travel]
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Just dose higher? Some people have a natural high tolerance towards mushrooms. Or your shrooms are weak?

You aren't on any meds, are you?

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Re: 2nd Trip...4 Grams...No Closed Eye Visuals...WTF [Re: Pandemoon]
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Are those freshly picked grams, or dried grams?


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Re: 2nd Trip...4 Grams...No Closed Eye Visuals...WTF [Re: Pandemoon]
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Meds could interfere.

Are you sure they were dry? Even a little water weight will throw it off.

What was your consumption method and when did you eat last before dosing?

Multispore shrooms can vary widely in potency.  Sometimes 3 grams is just a buzz, sometimes life altering experience. I have had a grow of b+ that 1.5-2g was a solid trip, and also a grow of ban hua thanon that 7g didn’t even get a good body buzz.

How much shrooms do you have left?

Next time, If you want to find an average appropriate dosage level, for that batch of shrooms, take all your dry shrooms from the grow, dry and chop em up good, mix them together. Then weigh out 2 grams, try that. Then you have a better idea what your working with until you start cloning and/or isolating.

Since you already suspect they may be weak, try 4g again 2 weeks from now using chopped and mixed batch.

Don’t give up, and don’t just assume the high tolerance thing. Eliminate the other potential issues first. You might end up thinking you can handle an OZ of goodshrooms because of a bunk batch.

Edited by Shr00mEater (11/11/18 10:04 AM)

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Re: 2nd Trip...4 Grams...No Closed Eye Visuals...WTF [Re: Shr00mEater]
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Do 10 grams ground into powder and put in a cup. Fill with lemon juice let sit for 20 min, no longer stirring often. Slam that back and you'll get results


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Re: 2nd Trip...4 Grams...No Closed Eye Visuals...WTF [Re: John_1098]
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weak shrooms


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Re: 2nd Trip...4 Grams...No Closed Eye Visuals...WTF [Re: grati]
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Complete darkness in a quite room is perfect for experiencing cevs. It helps to have a vivid imagination and to not expect things. Mushrooms seem to intensify whatever it is you're feeling and thinking at the time. It's possible you want cevs so badly you're mind is tricking yourself. Just go with the flow and try the dark quiet room and you will have crazy cevs. Try 5 dried grams


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Edited by Straight Mush (11/11/18 12:19 PM)

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Re: 2nd Trip...4 Grams...No Closed Eye Visuals...WTF [Re: Dimensional Travel]
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Dimensional Travel said:
So I had my 2nd Trip Friday night. I took 4 grams of a combo of Ecuador and Burma cubes. I had taken 3 grams and had a limited experience about a week before. The thread is available here. This time around I ate 4 grams in hopes of a more profound experience. It didn't turn out that way. Physically and mood were equally as intense and positive. Unfortunately I only saw some very limited open eye hallucinations and no closed eye visuals. Things would seem to distort at times with my eyes open. I really expected more out of this experience. It was fun but not what I was hoping to achieve. I didn't even have the sounds I had heard first time around, various alien sound fragments. I know they affect people in different ways, but maybe I am doing something wrong.

I had waited a week between trips to avoid tolerance build up. Shrooms were dried on a food dehydrator that shouldn't have gotten up to temps that would degrade the psilocybin.

I don't visualize well. Do you think this could limit my experience with shrooms? Should I step it up to 5 grams next time? I plan to wait 2 weeks at least if my impatience doesn't get in the way.

The reason I decided to try psychedelics was in hopes having a life altering experience. I can be a dick sometimes and I wanted to achieve a new perspective that could improve my life and my relationship with my wife. I want to experience entities or realms not attainable in a lucid mindset. Through these first 2 experiences I don't think anything occurred that would even give me something to incorporate or think about deeply. Where do I go from here?


If you think the Psychedelic experience is about visuals, you're totally missing the point. What you're seeking is not in the visuals, what you're seeking is in the physical, mental, emotional and spiritual. I hardly ever get closed eyed visuals from Psychedelics no matter the dosage or the substance, and quite frankly i don't need the cev aspect. Only thing i apparently needed to see with closed eyes was the precognitive vision about my dad's death which came true 2 weeks later, but aside from that, everything i get comes mentally, physically, emotionally and spiritually, not visually. Try not focusing much on the visual aspect, and tune more into your body, mind and spirit/soul.


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Re: 2nd Trip...4 Grams...No Closed Eye Visuals...WTF [Re: Sabnock]
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I get a lot of closed eye visuals from eating one mushroom. ...But usually I eat about 6 of them.

Make sure the lights are off in the room you are closing your eyes in. And dose high. Keep them closed for more than a few minutes. Like trying to go to sleep.

Open eye visuals are cool, too. Also it's correct what was said earlier, don't eat anything before tripping. And wait at least 2 weeks-ish. ^_^


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Edited by Sellith (11/11/18 01:41 PM)

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Re: 2nd Trip...4 Grams...No Closed Eye Visuals...WTF [Re: Sellith]
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Thanks for all your responses. No meds. I very rarely drink alcohol. I used to be a daily marijuana user but it's been a couple months. I've found a need to take time off on several occasions this year. Nothing should have been interfering. I had eaten dinner about 3 hours beforehand. I didn't realize that would reduce potency. I had read not to eat before so you don't get an upset stomach, but not anything regarding effects. They were dry, less than 1/10 fresh weight. They definitely could be weak. I grew them and it was my first attempt, PF TEK. I had a strong body buzz and a general feeling of happiness.

As I mentioned in my first trip thread I had tried DMT but didn't breakthough. The closed eye visuals though were so enveloping that you could almost forget about what the real world was like for a few seconds. I guess I had that kind of expectation of shrooms going in as well.  Also, in my experience with DMT it really felt familiar and this whole Deja Vu sensation. Afterward I kept trying to figure out if I had somehow tried it as a young adult and not remembered or had a drug that was laced with it without knowing. I'll probably give DMT another try over the next couple weeks. I also find it really interesting that I saw Aztec type imagery on it. I would guess that culture was involved with some form of DMT as well. Would you recommend doing DMT on shrooms or keeping things separate? Assuming next time I have similar results.

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Re: 2nd Trip...4 Grams...No Closed Eye Visuals...WTF [Re: Dimensional Travel] * 1
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"The reason I decided to try psychedelics was in hopes having a life altering experience. I can be a dick sometimes and I wanted to achieve a new perspective that could improve my life and my relationship with my wife. I want to experience entities or realms not attainable in a lucid mindset. Through these first 2 experiences I don't think anything occurred that would even give me something to incorporate or think about deeply. Where do I go from here? "

IMO throw all that away.

You cannot tell these things what to do.
Be happy with the experience be glad you came back and with NO EXPECTATIONS look foward for next time.


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Re: 2nd Trip...4 Grams...No Closed Eye Visuals...WTF [Re: pineninja]
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Maybe you're setting your expectations too strongly

I doubt the cause is weak shrooms

What setting and what music?

I would try the 5g or 6g at night, alone, in the dark, maybe candle, incense, eat on empty stomach, chill in the dark meditating for the first two hours or so and then lay face first eyes closed with meditative music when it starts kicking in. I listen to r. Carlos naki or anugama

If you aren't tripping hard with cev, take it someplace you can chill with cool shit around, like tapestries hanging on walls and stuff.

Usually anytime I felt disappointed with a high dose it kicks in strong as fuck just as I think I didn't eat enough or that they must be weak.

I've never dosed 4g though, either 3.5 or 5. 5 has never disappointed me. 3.5 can be less intense that what I usually desire.

Different people have different reactions.


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Re: 2nd Trip...4 Grams...No Closed Eye Visuals...WTF [Re: Enkidu]
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I've seen some ancient culture stuff like that too on Argyreia nervosa, made me wonder the exact same thing if they were familiar somehow.

I think that mushrooms are very visual, but it really depends - sometimes you're watching a movie/playing a videogame on mushrooms (Except for Jazzpunk, that game is made for tripping with friends and playing it) and you just get a body high this is because you're distracted. Perhaps that's also one of the reasons why many people decide to turn off all distractions and sit somewhere comfortable, like something in the experience urges you that there is something more interesting to watch than the movie on the screen.

I kinda had the feeling that when I was watching a movie the mushroom was just busy watching it too, so it wasn't focussed on communicating any visuals? Goodluck.
I like 7 gram doses. I mean I say 7 grams dried but I actually usually eat that amount of mushrooms fresh, not dried. Tastes so good.



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Edited by Sellith (11/12/18 05:39 AM)

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Re: 2nd Trip...4 Grams...No Closed Eye Visuals...WTF [Re: Sellith]
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From my experience, I get best results from waiting at least 2 weeks between trips. I have reached a visionary state on 4g but more of a sure thing with 5-7 grams. some of my best trips have been 7g split dose 5g then 2g about 30 minutes later. And as other said, no expectations..

Also smoking weed at the peak can really kick up the visions for me...some don't like to smoke with shrooms..

good luck

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Re: 2nd Trip...4 Grams...No Closed Eye Visuals...WTF [Re: Hush]
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Thanks everybody. I will make some adjustments to how I approach them before my next experience. I would say I have been distracted while I wait for them to kick in on both attempts. I'll make sure I wait at least 2 weeks, try a stronger dose on an empty stomach and meditate in the dark while they kick in. Try to not to have any expectations, just an intention for a profound, meaningful experience.

Expect a report on next trip in about 2 weeks.

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Re: 2nd Trip...4 Grams...No Closed Eye Visuals...WTF [Re: Dimensional Travel]
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DO you take antidepressants?

They can block the effects of psychedelics.


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Re: 2nd Trip...4 Grams...No Closed Eye Visuals...WTF [Re: Winds]
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I have to summons the visions. Terrance said "You have to stare at the back of your eyelids and expect to see something." Laying in the dark, music can be good.

At my experience level it's dose dependent. Some trips I can tell I did not take enough, try as I might, no CEVs this trip. Other trips I get just a hint of a vision, still not quit a big enough dose.

After a few great tips I came to expect the next to be better, deeper and be shown more.. that can lead to getting shown how to be more humble.


Edited by Hush (11/13/18 08:28 PM)

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Re: 2nd Trip...4 Grams...No Closed Eye Visuals...WTF [Re: Winds]
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Winds said:
DO you take antidepressants?

They can block the effects of psychedelics.


I don't take any meds.

Thanks again to everyone who responded. This community has been a great resource.

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Re: 2nd Trip...4 Grams...No Closed Eye Visuals...WTF [Re: WhoManBeing]
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Some people are just less inclined. I got a friend who takes LSD once every years and while everyone is floored on one blotter, he simply says : the curtains are wavy. That's after taking 4 of these blotters after taking 20mg 2cb.

Another friend takes twice as much shrooms as me. I get mad visuals, he only gets a head trip. Same shrooms. And he weighs half much as I do.


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Re: 2nd Trip...4 Grams...No Closed Eye Visuals...WTF [Re: Dimensional Travel]
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greetings, i would suggest doing 5 grams after 2.5 weeks, good luck

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Re: 2nd Trip...4 Grams...No Closed Eye Visuals...WTF [Re: twigglez]
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In my experience it really depends on several things.  The mushrooms psilocin content,  how much sleep you have had,  your mindset,  and you environment.  I tripped a lot before ever having an extremely profound or highly spiritual visual trip.  When i did have a trip like that from shrooms it was a combination of sleep deprivation,  a shitty day/mood beforehand,  and other drugs.  I'd just take like 8 grams and make sure you are in a secure environment.


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