koods said:

There is already a federal excise tax on firearms which is mandated to pay in part for public safety. should we get rid of that?

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XUL said:

Enlil said:

christopera said:

The argument is simple. There is a significant cost to society that is the result of guns. How do we pay for it?

There is a superfund for environmental disasters thats funded by environmental income tax, excise tax on petroleum and chemicals. Where this the superfund for people and families who are on the receiving end of gun violence? It could be funded perhaps by greater excise tax on guns and ammo?

When you dig or construct you present a surety bond. Perhaps gun owners should be responsible in this way.

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You're missing the point.  There is no fundamental right to manufacture toxic chemicals. 

In the U.S., we have certain rights.  With those rights come societal costs.  That is inevitable.  If you disagree with those rights, there is a way to change them.  Charging people solely for exercising their rights is just an end-run around the process of altering rights.  It is an attempt to circumvent the Constitution and allow tyranny of the majority.

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Well said.

Ya bastard.

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christopera said:

Everyone has a right to own property.

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koods said:

So everyone should cover the costs incurred solely by people who choose to own or
Possess guns.

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Enlil said:

koods said:

There is already a federal excise tax on firearms which is mandated to pay in part for public safety. should we get rid of that?

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Again, not the same thing as an annual tax for ownership.  You know this, of course.

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Near Dylan said:

No bro Im pretty sure everyone is granted an acre of land right at birth

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Enlil said:

Show me the part of the U.S. Constitution that says everyone has a right to own real property.

Dude, you are making shit up here.  There are several fundamental rights under the Constitution.  Some that come to mind are:

1. Right to exercise your religion
2. Right to speech
3. Right to bear and keep firearms
4. Right to a jury trial for felonies
5. Right to vote

You seem okay with the government taxing the right to own a firearm.  Are you okay with taxing the rest?  Should you have to pay a "Pew Fee" in church?  What about a jury?  Should you have to pay the cost of a jury in your criminal trial?  How much should it cost you to vote?

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Near Dylan said:

No bro Im pretty sure everyone is granted an acre of land right at birth

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Enlil said:

christopera said:

Everyone has a right to own property.

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Show me the part of the U.S. Constitution that says everyone has a right to own real property.

Dude, you are making shit up here.  There are several fundamental rights under the Constitution.  Some that come to mind are:

1. Right to exercise your religion
2. Right to speech
3. Right to bear and keep firearms
4. Right to a jury trial for felonies
5. Right to vote

You seem okay with the government taxing the right to own a firearm.  Are you okay with taxing the rest?  Should you have to pay a "Pew Fee" in church?  What about a jury?  Should you have to pay the cost of a jury in your criminal trial?  How much should it cost you to vote?

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christopera said:

Near Dylan said:

No bro Im pretty sure everyone is granted an acre of land right at birth

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Just like everybody is handed a gun at birth?

What exactly are you saying?

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Quote:

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.
Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.[1]

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Near Dylan said:

christopera said:

Near Dylan said:

No bro Im pretty sure everyone is granted an acre of land right at birth

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Just like everybody is handed a gun at birth?

What exactly are you saying?

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Rights vs Privileges

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Enlil said:

christopera said:

Everyone has a right to own property.

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Show me the part of the U.S. Constitution that says everyone has a right to own real property.

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