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myrules
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Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls
#25601447 - 11/08/18 05:05 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've done a simple bulk spawn setup a few times now, and with each attempt I'm having the same results - I've never once seen a fruit sprout from the surface of the coir substrate. Any tips anyone can give would be greatly appreciated All of the fruits pop up on the side of the container, between the container and the coir. Obviously I'm not utilizing all the space and as a result I usually only see one or two fruits per flush.
Here's my setup: 1. I use the PF tek method for colonizing in jars. 2. Once fully colonized and pinning, I break up the cakes into a mix of coir, verm, and a little bit of spent coffee grounds. This mix is placed into a small shoebox-size tub. 3. Allow colonization to progress for a few days to a week, never opening lid and keeping in dark. 4. After fully colonized on bulk substrate, I begin giving 12 on/12 off ambient room light, and fanning 1-2 times a day to allow for FAE.
My ideas on what might be going wrong 1. Not enough light? I didn't cut a hole in the opaque lid as recommended in some teks, possible it is just not stimulated into fruiting. 2. Not enough nutrients - I was only able to add 1 espresso-worth of spent coffee grounds; I know some growers use significantly more nutrients. 3. Humidity is too low, resulting in more mushies forming on the walsl of the cake where there's more water
Any tips or advice anyone can give would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: myrules]
#25601541 - 11/08/18 05:54 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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You should have a 12/12 light cycle from day 1, mycelium has a circadian rhythm just like us. If you don't have a bag in the tub wrapped around the substrate you are way more likely to get side pins because there is no barrier there as the substrate shrinks down after each flush. Also if you don't have a bag around the substrate and the humidty is low, the space between the container and the substrate acts as a good microclimate for mushrooms to grow in, because there is more humidity in that area.
Your issue is probably a combination of those things I listed. Also don't worry about the nutrients part, plenty of people on here get great results using coir and vermiculite. The BRF is the main nutrient for the mushrooms anyway.
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: WhiteVeil]
#25601555 - 11/08/18 05:59 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I can't give to much information since there is no pictures. Generally though if they're only growing on the sides that means your substrate isn't wet enough/ not humid enough. When they grow on the walls that's generally because there is a microclimate there which is more humid. Without seeing your tub I would say mist the tub.
Most people don't add coffee nowadays so I woildent worry about that. It's a huge vector for contamination with no benefit
If it wasn't enough light they wouldn't only grow on the walls. Post pics next time
Edited by puff4200 (11/08/18 06:01 PM)
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: myrules]
#25601575 - 11/08/18 06:07 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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-------------------- Pat The Bunny said:
A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me.
bodhisatta said:
i recommend common sense and figuring it out.
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: 36fuckin5]
#25601714 - 11/08/18 07:11 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Post a pic if you can. Do you mean "on the walls" like this?
 I had that happen when my sub was too wet at spawn along with some over-misting.
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: mushroomnate]
#25601737 - 11/08/18 07:20 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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mushroomnate said: Post a pic if you can. Do you mean "on the walls" like this?
 I had that happen when my sub was too wet at spawn along with some over-misting.
Kinda crazy how they can grow off the thinnest surface if they have to.
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: mushroomnate]
#25604247 - 11/09/18 10:12 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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That mycelium looks way healthier than mine hm maybe a few things going wrong. But my fruit are growing from midway down the mycelium, super consistently, and for multiple batches in a row and concurrently. Here's some pictures. Sounds like adding some moisture could solve this so I've started misting. Did you case for that batch?


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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: myrules]
#25604295 - 11/09/18 10:45 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Side Pins!!!
Means your surface conditions were less than optimal. When they mature pick 'em then flip the sub for a second flush.
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: LotKid]
#25604726 - 11/10/18 07:16 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Don't flip the sub. That's dumb.
-------------------- Pat The Bunny said:
A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me.
bodhisatta said:
i recommend common sense and figuring it out.
These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: 36fuckin5]
#25604831 - 11/10/18 08:18 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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works like a motherfucker for me to get a good 2nd flush when I get nothing but side pins.
I think your closed mind is dumb.
But hey, that's just MY shitty opinion, right?
You gonna make me dig thru pics, aren't you? 
Edit:

I use the liner to flip the sub...

Edited by LotKid (11/10/18 08:56 AM)
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: LotKid]
#25605026 - 11/10/18 09:44 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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It probably would have pinned the same if you hadn't fucked with it.
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A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me.
bodhisatta said:
i recommend common sense and figuring it out.
These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: 36fuckin5] 4
#25605042 - 11/10/18 09:51 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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No, it wouldn't have.
I fucked up the surface conditions and all the pins on the first flush (what few there were) came out the sides and nothing on the surface where I wanted them.
Flipped the sub and got a kick-ass second flush. I've done it with more than 1 tub too. Why? Because nobody's perfect.
I need to go get me a box of cracker jacks. Maybe I can find me a TC tag at the bottom too.
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: LotKid]
#25605068 - 11/10/18 09:59 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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When I fucked up the surface(matted)I got side pins like crazy on 2nd flush. I've never tried to flip for a 2nd.(other than flipping into the sub dump)

1st flush:
Wallflowers?

2nd flush fairy ring:

Those second flush pins did seem to all start from the bottom tho. Makes me wonder "what if" I would've flipped that one.
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: mushroomnate]
#25605087 - 11/10/18 10:07 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just like mine. Were clearly pinning from the sides and bottom because yes, I fucked up the surface conditions for whatever reason.
But I figured if it's want to fruit from the bottom then fuck it, I'll give it what it wants.
The fuck did I have to lose?
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: LotKid]
#25605093 - 11/10/18 10:09 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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i wish i would of flipped this one.

pulled a dry oz off the bottom. probably would of got more if i had
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: LotKid]
#25605099 - 11/10/18 10:13 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I got 3 flushes from a Purple mystic once, flipped that bitch and got 2 more that were each equal to the 3rd flush.
I have had some GREAT luck flipping subs that have a destroyed surface. A good time to do this is when you dry out the mycelium and it gets all matted. YES you can still fruit this matted side, but the matted mycelium tend to make it hard for the sub to absorb water that has been misted on it. SO if you fuck your surface, flip that bitch and try again!!!
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Flipping the sub is like putting a band aid on a gunshot wound. Sure it might help but the op really needs to look into his surface conditions. Are you dub tubbing the shoeboxes? Are they in a larger monotub? Are you using a Martha? Come dude let us know more about your fruiting setup. Because figuring out how to get his surface conditions in the pocket is what he needs.
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: Elderlyone]
#25605377 - 11/10/18 01:19 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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YES he should and here is a good surface conditions guide.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23999053
BUT once you have fucked your surface conditions and still want fruits, well flipping it is a really good way. Flipping it gives you a new, un fucked up surface to work with. Then you can try to provide correct surface conditions.
No one is telling him that flipping it will fix the real problem, just that he can still get a good flush by doing so.
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You should leave the lid on the shoebox until your pinset comes in. Keeps humidity down near the surface.
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There's a time and place for flipping. OP just needs to follow a better tek
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: DreamReality]
#25605394 - 11/10/18 01:30 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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He NEEDS to drop the spent coffee grounds in his substrate, that shit encourages mold more than it helps. Nutrients should come from your spawn, not be incorporated into the substrate.
Let shoebox colonize in light, not in the dark.
Surface conditions were not right, and the fruits found a better spot along the sides.
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: DreamReality]
#25605396 - 11/10/18 01:33 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm just going to repeat myself. Keep the lid on the shoebox until your pinset comes in. Then you can flip another one on top.

Easy way to keep surface conditions ideal. Once you have pins everywhere the fruits will help hold humidity better when you dub tub it.
Making the shoebox too airy too early could dry it out a little.
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TheMadHatter420 said: He NEEDS to drop the spent coffee grounds in his substrate, that shit encourages mold more than it helps. Nutrients should come from your spawn, not be incorporated into the substrate.
Let shoebox colonize in light, not in the dark.
Surface conditions were not right, and the fruits found a better spot along the sides.
OP needs agar, grains and yeah, to stop using coffee grounds. OP said their cakes were "pinning" before they crumbled them. If they can do that proficiently maybe they need to use a SGFC or tub to put the cakes in and grow like that. That way they will get a more hands on experience with proper surface conditions
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: LotKid]
#25605437 - 11/10/18 02:03 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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LotKid said: No, it wouldn't have.
I fucked up the surface conditions and all the pins on the first flush (what few there were) came out the sides and nothing on the surface where I wanted them.
Flipped the sub and got a kick-ass second flush. I've done it with more than 1 tub too. Why? Because nobody's perfect.
I need to go get me a box of cracker jacks. Maybe I can find me a TC tag at the bottom too.
Well I'm glad that your year of experience tells you that. My 15 tells me to leave it the fuck alone. I'm allowed to grow how I want and give whatever advice I want. I tell people what has worked reliably for me. Judge all you want, I'll keep pushing canopies.
-------------------- Pat The Bunny said:
A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me.
bodhisatta said:
i recommend common sense and figuring it out.
These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: 36fuckin5]
#25605592 - 11/10/18 03:34 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Homie don't let the registered on date fool you.
I pulled my first harvest from a mono in 2007 dawg!
This is like my 3rd account. Just my most active.
Homie you don't want to start posting shot for shot canopies with me.
I'm just gonna go ahead and leave you alone, bud.
GDF NFA

PEACE!!
Edit... sorry but you say you're allowed to give whatever kind of info you want right? Is this the kind of attitude for a TC?
Food for thought noobs... can't always trust a tag or a registered on date. 
Edited by LotKid (11/10/18 03:45 PM)
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: LotKid] 1
#25605624 - 11/10/18 03:50 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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LotKid said: Homie don't let the registered on date fool you.
I pulled my first harvest from a mono in 2007 dawg!
This is like my 3rd account. Just my most active.
Homie you don't want to start posting shot for shot canopies with me.
I'm just gonna go ahead and leave you alone, bud.
GDF NFA

PEACE!!
Edit... sorry but you say you're allowed to give whatever kind of info you want right? Is this the kind of attitude for a TC?
Food for thought noobs... can't always trust a tag or a registered on date. 
 Bruh, you're way too salty. Learning to agree to disagree will serve you well
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: DreamReality]
#25605626 - 11/10/18 03:52 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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And this is why awesome growers leave the site...
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: LotKid]
#25605854 - 11/10/18 06:04 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'll just leave with this: I never asked for a tag. I logged on one day and just had it. It wasn't discussed with me. And honestly, I don't care about it. I've tried to sell it a couple times, lol. It doesn't make my dick bigger or make me a better grower.
I'm half tempted to ask the mods to take it away so you people will STFU about it.
I gave my advice. Take it if you want. I don't care. Enough with the stupid drama.
-------------------- Pat The Bunny said:
A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me.
bodhisatta said:
i recommend common sense and figuring it out.
These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: 36fuckin5] 2
#25606061 - 11/10/18 08:10 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: It doesn't make my dick bigger...
Clearly you got an older model tag because I'm enjoying the full girth it grants.
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Edited by elasticaltiger (11/10/18 08:11 PM)
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: DreamReality]
#25606108 - 11/10/18 08:36 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah seems like BRF isn't the way to go I'm getting a grains n agar test run going now. Is coir the best substrate to use for bulk though? I'd think compost would provide the most suitable fruiting environment
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: myrules]
#25606163 - 11/10/18 09:25 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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myrules said: Yeah seems like BRF isn't the way to go I'm getting a grains n agar test run going now. Is coir the best substrate to use for bulk though? I'd think compost would provide the most suitable fruiting environment
I like coir because it's easy to obtain, cheap, and very easy to prepare. I've used the bucket tek many times over with no issues. Creating healthy colonized spawn is the main focus when growing bulk
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: DreamReality] 1
#25606217 - 11/10/18 09:59 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alright. Jumping in with no penis at all...You don't need anything but coir to grow a good tub of fruits. And attention to detail...not girth.
BUT, if you are growing penis, you should probably have a casing...rubber, whatever. It keeps the surface better for fruiting...What have you.
You'll be alright, but cakes are...Well...not capable of giving one optimum results.
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: myrules]
#25606223 - 11/10/18 10:00 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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myrules said: Yeah seems like BRF isn't the way to go I'm getting a grains n agar test run going now. Is coir the best substrate to use for bulk though? I'd think compost would provide the most suitable fruiting environment
Brf spawned to coir can get you awesome results. No need to "add" anything extra. Get your cakes colonized 100%.(no need to consolidate) Shred cakes into your container and mix with field capacity coir. Make sure you get it right.For me proper field capacity is a big part of being able to set-n-forget. Don't over mist.I don't mist at all till first flush.(proper field capacity comes in here) Whether using brf cakes or agar/grain,you have to get your surface conditions down. It's not the brf cakes fault.
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: mushroomnate] 1
#25606246 - 11/10/18 10:17 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bro, you CAN crumble cakes to coir and have very good results. For sure. I never even grew out a cake. I crumbled mine...cos...Well...I want production, right? But agar to grain will trump cakes crumbled to shoe boxes. For sure.
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: 36fuckin5] 1
#25606292 - 11/10/18 10:57 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: I'll just leave with this: I never asked for a tag. I logged on one day and just had it. It wasn't discussed with me. And honestly, I don't care about it. I've tried to sell it a couple times, lol. It doesn't make my dick bigger or make me a better grower.
If you could sell it then that would mean you have control over it.
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I'm half tempted to ask the mods to take it away so you people will STFU about it.
But you won't. I dare you! If I see with no tag I'll have a whole new respect for you. Until then... you're all fucking talk, homie.
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I gave my advice. Take it if you want. I don't care. Enough with the stupid drama.
And this gives you the right to call someone else's (proven and backed up with pics) advice "dumb"?
I understand why the TC tag was created. But noobs take the word of a TC as gospel.
Sorry, I couldn't leave it alone.
Maybe the TC tag shouldn't be handed out willy nilly.
I'd rather not have one.
The boards would probably be better off without them.
Hamloaf had his tag taken and he had to fight for it back yet other TCs are allowed to do this bullshit and get away with it? Are you fucking kidding me?!?
If the ppl who run the shroomery let this kind of attitude run rampant in those they choose to be "trusted" then the future of this hobby is ineed... in jeopardy.
If any admins are looking I'm letting you know now. Off the boards... the TC tag is a fucking joke!
Edited by LotKid (11/11/18 02:56 AM)
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: ShroomyToons]
#25607104 - 11/11/18 12:07 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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ShroomyToons said: Bro, you CAN crumble cakes to coir and have very good results. For sure. I never even grew out a cake. I crumbled mine...cos...Well...I want production, right? But agar to grain will trump cakes crumbled to shoe boxes. For sure.
Remember the credo? Patience?
Cakes are cool for getting your feet wet. But grain to grain is the probably the best way to expand a culture from 1 jar to 100 jars. Whether it be with a slurry or the old fashion way.
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: DreamReality]
#25608645 - 11/12/18 07:12 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Agreed. But if you're wanting a little more out a cake and you need to get clones, that cake crumble will work. Even though it does have a fairly high chance of contams if it isn't nicely colonized.
I was just trying to help the guy maximize fruit potential. But agar, to grain, to grain expansion is really the way to fly. And for a noob, skip the slurry...In my opinion, anyway.
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: ShroomyToons]
#25609537 - 11/12/18 01:28 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I always wanted to slice some cakes up with a nice sharp knife. Then put down a thin layer of coir in the tub. Lay down slices of cakes to cover the whole bottom and then cover with a layer of coir. Without the crumbling it shouldn't contaminate as easily.
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TheMadHatter420 said: I always wanted to slice some cakes up with a nice sharp knife. Then put down a thin layer of coir in the tub. Lay down slices of cakes to cover the whole bottom and then cover with a layer of coir. Without the crumbling it shouldn't contaminate as easily.
sounds like it would work oot, though cheese grater will get it down to spread mixed in the coir. guess a side by side would be needed to see which colonizes at a better rate.. neat idea.
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: ithikuss]
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YEA, but grating it opens it up to being over taken by contamination.
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TheMadHatter420 said: YEA, but grating it opens it up to being over taken by contamination.
I see, coir and verm sandwich ftw then lol. Although, all of it seems like more work than some grain or seeds though for going the bulk route. from what I can tell... though, boats and floating eh?
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No it doesn't. It should be colonized and clean before you grate it up. If it's not clean it's trash.
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#25609973 - 11/12/18 04:31 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: I'm allowed to grow how I want and give whatever advice I want. I tell people what has worked reliably for me.
That's exactly what LotKid did initially and you were rude for no reason. He even backed his post up with pics so obviously it works (which isn't far fetched anyway given gravity is at work). What's the point of calling something dumb with zero evidence or reasoning to back your opinion? How tough is it to say, "Right on, I never thought of doing that?"
I've seen LotKid post tons of excellent grows and canopies on a consistent basis. Where are yours? So far all I've seen you do is tell people they have to wash their jars in between PC cycles, lol. Beyond that, you're just the dude who thinks you have to pasteurize coir.
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: 36fuckin5]
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Yea,I've never had a problem with contamination from grating the cakes. Faster colonization IME. But by slicing and covering with coir,you could get some good results. I used to crumble and case my shoeboxes and salad trays years back. One cake crumbled per plate topped with 50/50 peat/verm.
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: mushroomnate]
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There's more than one way to make a mushroom grow.
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: ShroomyToons]
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Does the depth of the sub make a difference on the sides and bottoms fruiting?
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: SunnyDayze]
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Nope. It is ALL about the surface conditions!!!!
Here is a link to a really good guide for learning how to get surface conditions right. Helped me a lot.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23999053
The depth of the sub has some affect on the size of the shrooms. Thinner subs tend to have shorter shrooms, while deeper subs tend to get bigger shrooms. There is a limit to it though.
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If you could sell it then that would mean you have control over it.
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And this gives you the right to call someone else's (proven and backed up with pics) advice "dumb"?
I understand why the TC tag was created. But noobs take the word of a TC as gospel.
Sorry, I couldn't leave it alone.
Maybe the TC tag shouldn't be handed out willy nilly.
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TheMadHatter420 said: Nope. It is ALL about the surface conditions!!!!
Here is a link to a really good guide for learning how to get surface conditions right. Helped me a lot.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23999053
The depth of the sub has some affect on the size of the shrooms. Thinner subs tend to have shorter shrooms, while deeper subs tend to get bigger shrooms. There is a limit to it though.
Correct, but substrate monotub sub depth still plays a role in all of the above, doesn't it? A deeper sub will provide more water for the fruit bodies to grow through cell enlargement. And surface conditions and RH are also affected by the moisture in the substrate as well.
But yes, ensuring that surface conditions on the surface are better than the microclimate provided on the side/bottom are the fix. Just thinking out loud if "set and forget" and dialing in for surface conditions is easier when there's a bit more moisture in the sub available initially. I'd assume yes.
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: stareatclouds]
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This is true to some extent, but unless they are making it super thin this shouldn't be an issue. Also this can be fairly well controlled with dialing in the mono tub holes. BUT YES I guess it does have some minor effect, but we can manipulate the surface conditions via misting.
OP just an FYI, most of us run between a 2 inch and 3.5 inch sub and it works out good.
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Thanks Mad and Stare. I knew my conditions have been off, just wondering if that was a factor. Didn’t know deeper depths would produce bigger fruit but it makes sense.
Have a couple new tubs on the go, try to fix some shit. My canopies are ok but so many side and bottom fruit.
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: SunnyDayze]
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You can get huge fruits from tiny subs if you're misting or bottom watering. Here's good post by RR on this.
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: stareatclouds]
#25613858 - 11/14/18 09:21 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have also noticed a correlation in the number of pins you get. Like if you get a full canopy they tend to be in the 3-4, maybe 5 inch range. But with a spotty pin set it puts basically the same amount of growing energy into fewer shrooms and they get bigger. I have gotten into the 6-8 inch range on first flush with shitty spotty pin sets. There is a lot of variables, but we CAN control the surface conditions for pinning. Some times you cant help but get side pins. The question is, are you getting like maybe a doze on the whole tub, or are you getting a shit load on the sides and bottom.
In my experience growing, contamination can cause bad side and bottom pinning. Basically the culture knows it is fighting a loosing battle, so it tries to put out fruits any where and every where that it can, in the pursuit of completing its goal in life, producing spores for the next generation. Now this is just a correlation that I have noticed in my growing experience. Every time I get a full canopy and a massive amount of out of place pins with the canopy, well green shows right away. Canopy without a shit load of out of place pins and it has a chance at a 2nd flush. I think it is bacteria that causes it, and the green mold is a secondary contamination that used the bacteria as an entry point.
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Do you also think it could be that such a huge flush has expended all of the energy so it's not strong enough to fight off contams?
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: stareatclouds]
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stareatclouds said: You can get huge fruits from tiny subs if you're misting or bottom watering. Here's good post by RR on this.
Interesting. He says you should mist through all stages. I thought it was common to stop misting as soon as you see pins. It didn’t really make sense to me though that the side and bottoms were so wet and the mushies seemed to love that part too. I do have lots of fruit on top too for the record. Think I will listen to RR and see what happens!
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: SunnyDayze]
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RR never really grew from monotubs so take his advice towards them with a grain of salt. But it's not true that you can't/shouldn't mist a pinset. The issue is resting water from lack of evaporation. You shouldn't soak pins, but if they could use it, misting is fine. The goal is to dial in conditions with a happy medium of air exchange to allow for consistent evaporation without drying out the substrate.
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