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myrules
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Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls
#25601447 - 11/08/18 05:05 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've done a simple bulk spawn setup a few times now, and with each attempt I'm having the same results - I've never once seen a fruit sprout from the surface of the coir substrate. Any tips anyone can give would be greatly appreciated All of the fruits pop up on the side of the container, between the container and the coir. Obviously I'm not utilizing all the space and as a result I usually only see one or two fruits per flush.
Here's my setup: 1. I use the PF tek method for colonizing in jars. 2. Once fully colonized and pinning, I break up the cakes into a mix of coir, verm, and a little bit of spent coffee grounds. This mix is placed into a small shoebox-size tub. 3. Allow colonization to progress for a few days to a week, never opening lid and keeping in dark. 4. After fully colonized on bulk substrate, I begin giving 12 on/12 off ambient room light, and fanning 1-2 times a day to allow for FAE.
My ideas on what might be going wrong 1. Not enough light? I didn't cut a hole in the opaque lid as recommended in some teks, possible it is just not stimulated into fruiting. 2. Not enough nutrients - I was only able to add 1 espresso-worth of spent coffee grounds; I know some growers use significantly more nutrients. 3. Humidity is too low, resulting in more mushies forming on the walsl of the cake where there's more water
Any tips or advice anyone can give would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: myrules]
#25601541 - 11/08/18 05:54 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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You should have a 12/12 light cycle from day 1, mycelium has a circadian rhythm just like us. If you don't have a bag in the tub wrapped around the substrate you are way more likely to get side pins because there is no barrier there as the substrate shrinks down after each flush. Also if you don't have a bag around the substrate and the humidty is low, the space between the container and the substrate acts as a good microclimate for mushrooms to grow in, because there is more humidity in that area.
Your issue is probably a combination of those things I listed. Also don't worry about the nutrients part, plenty of people on here get great results using coir and vermiculite. The BRF is the main nutrient for the mushrooms anyway.
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: WhiteVeil]
#25601555 - 11/08/18 05:59 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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I can't give to much information since there is no pictures. Generally though if they're only growing on the sides that means your substrate isn't wet enough/ not humid enough. When they grow on the walls that's generally because there is a microclimate there which is more humid. Without seeing your tub I would say mist the tub.
Most people don't add coffee nowadays so I woildent worry about that. It's a huge vector for contamination with no benefit
If it wasn't enough light they wouldn't only grow on the walls. Post pics next time
Edited by puff4200 (11/08/18 06:01 PM)
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: myrules]
#25601575 - 11/08/18 06:07 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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-------------------- Redd Foxx said: If you're offended I don't give a shit and don't come see me no more. Pat The Bunny said: A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me. bodhisatta said: i recommend common sense and figuring it out. These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: 36fuckin5]
#25601714 - 11/08/18 07:11 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Post a pic if you can. Do you mean "on the walls" like this?
 I had that happen when my sub was too wet at spawn along with some over-misting.
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: mushroomnate]
#25601737 - 11/08/18 07:20 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
mushroomnate said: Post a pic if you can. Do you mean "on the walls" like this?
 I had that happen when my sub was too wet at spawn along with some over-misting.
Kinda crazy how they can grow off the thinnest surface if they have to.
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myrules
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: mushroomnate]
#25604247 - 11/09/18 10:12 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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That mycelium looks way healthier than mine hm maybe a few things going wrong. But my fruit are growing from midway down the mycelium, super consistently, and for multiple batches in a row and concurrently. Here's some pictures. Sounds like adding some moisture could solve this so I've started misting. Did you case for that batch?


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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: myrules]
#25604295 - 11/09/18 10:45 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Side Pins!!!
Means your surface conditions were less than optimal. When they mature pick 'em then flip the sub for a second flush.
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36fuckin5
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: LotKid]
#25604726 - 11/10/18 07:16 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Don't flip the sub. That's dumb.
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: 36fuckin5]
#25604831 - 11/10/18 08:18 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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works like a motherfucker for me to get a good 2nd flush when I get nothing but side pins.
I think your closed mind is dumb.
But hey, that's just MY shitty opinion, right?
You gonna make me dig thru pics, aren't you? 
Edit:

I use the liner to flip the sub...

Edited by LotKid (11/10/18 08:56 AM)
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36fuckin5
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: LotKid]
#25605026 - 11/10/18 09:44 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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It probably would have pinned the same if you hadn't fucked with it.
-------------------- Redd Foxx said: If you're offended I don't give a shit and don't come see me no more. Pat The Bunny said: A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me. bodhisatta said: i recommend common sense and figuring it out. These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: 36fuckin5] 4
#25605042 - 11/10/18 09:51 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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No, it wouldn't have.
I fucked up the surface conditions and all the pins on the first flush (what few there were) came out the sides and nothing on the surface where I wanted them.
Flipped the sub and got a kick-ass second flush. I've done it with more than 1 tub too. Why? Because nobody's perfect.
I need to go get me a box of cracker jacks. Maybe I can find me a TC tag at the bottom too.
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: LotKid]
#25605068 - 11/10/18 09:59 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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When I fucked up the surface(matted)I got side pins like crazy on 2nd flush. I've never tried to flip for a 2nd.(other than flipping into the sub dump)

1st flush:
Wallflowers?

2nd flush fairy ring:

Those second flush pins did seem to all start from the bottom tho. Makes me wonder "what if" I would've flipped that one.
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: mushroomnate]
#25605087 - 11/10/18 10:07 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just like mine. Were clearly pinning from the sides and bottom because yes, I fucked up the surface conditions for whatever reason.
But I figured if it's want to fruit from the bottom then fuck it, I'll give it what it wants.
The fuck did I have to lose?
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: LotKid]
#25605093 - 11/10/18 10:09 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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i wish i would of flipped this one.

pulled a dry oz off the bottom. probably would of got more if i had
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: LotKid]
#25605099 - 11/10/18 10:13 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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I got 3 flushes from a Purple mystic once, flipped that bitch and got 2 more that were each equal to the 3rd flush.
I have had some GREAT luck flipping subs that have a destroyed surface. A good time to do this is when you dry out the mycelium and it gets all matted. YES you can still fruit this matted side, but the matted mycelium tend to make it hard for the sub to absorb water that has been misted on it. SO if you fuck your surface, flip that bitch and try again!!!
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Flipping the sub is like putting a band aid on a gunshot wound. Sure it might help but the op really needs to look into his surface conditions. Are you dub tubbing the shoeboxes? Are they in a larger monotub? Are you using a Martha? Come dude let us know more about your fruiting setup. Because figuring out how to get his surface conditions in the pocket is what he needs.
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Re: Bulk: Mushrooms will only grow on walls [Re: Elderlyone]
#25605377 - 11/10/18 01:19 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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YES he should and here is a good surface conditions guide.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23999053
BUT once you have fucked your surface conditions and still want fruits, well flipping it is a really good way. Flipping it gives you a new, un fucked up surface to work with. Then you can try to provide correct surface conditions.
No one is telling him that flipping it will fix the real problem, just that he can still get a good flush by doing so.
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You should leave the lid on the shoebox until your pinset comes in. Keeps humidity down near the surface.
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There's a time and place for flipping. OP just needs to follow a better tek
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