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Cakes not producing well. Any help is appreciated!
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Hello Folks! I tried to be a good board member and use the search engine and google to find my answer, but I haven't had much luck. I really appreciate any advice yall may have.

So I am just finishing up with my first group of cakes. I did the PF TEK and created my own SGFC(based on the thread from Spitball Jedi). I did manage to get 4 flushes from the 2 cakes I have. So I was happy about that, the problem is that even with 4 flushes from 2 cakes I didn't get but 9 dried grams. Only growing 2 to 5 mushrooms per flush. I see lots of pins that do not turn into anything and some that grow a little and abort. I will list below my set up and how I have been doing everything.

I have a 64 quart Fruiting Chamber with holes on all sides, top and bottom
4-5 inches of Perlite.
A piece of tin foil to sit each cake on..it is bigger than the cake. The foil sticks out about 1/4-1/2 inch from the bottom of the cake.
Temp is usually 68-73 Fahrenheit
I mist 3-4 times a day. I don't fan anymore because it seems like everything dries out pretty fast without me fanning.
I use a light some as well as opening the window for indirect sunlight.
I have dunked after each flush for 18-24 hours
I have 1 rolled in verm and 1 not. They have both done the same.
The mushrooms that DO grow have always been out of the bottom, the ones that pin up the side of the cake have died/aborted every time except with the 1st flush.

I tried to include anything I think might help. I have 3 more cakes that are almost done inoculating and I would like to figure this out before they go in the SGFC. I worry that maybe I made to many hoes in my chamber...is it possible to have to much FAE? Are they drying out? When I harvest and go to dunk they are always much lighter than after the dunk. I thought maybe it could be the tin foil is to big..causing the evaporating air to not hit the cake as well. I did try different things between flushes with watering, air, light, verm, and nothing has made any difference.

I really appreciate any of you that have read all this whether you can help or not. This forum has been an incredible source of information for me as I have started this process. I would have accomplished nothing so far without this thread...thank all of you for what you do!

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Re: Cakes not producing well. Any help is appreciated! [Re: Sippin Coffee]
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Pics please. I'm pretty sure you're overanalyzing this. What do you mean by created your own sgfc? Are the specs the same as a regular Sgfc?


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Re: Cakes not producing well. Any help is appreciated! [Re: Psicomb]
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It would be very normal for me to be over analyzing something lol.

I just mean I created a SGFC. I followed the specs here:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542#20195542

It is just the same as the one in that thread. Lifted around 6 inches off the ground.

We just put our 1 year old down for bed, and I have to go through our room to get to my grow area. I will post pictures when I can get in there without incurring the wrath of my wife. Thank you for the response.

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Re: Cakes not producing well. Any help is appreciated! [Re: Sippin Coffee]
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Keep in mind that unless you are pretty lucky you'll only get about 2-7g per flush from a BRF 1/2 pint cake using multispore. I think you should have gotten a little more off 2 cakes, but I understand the disappointment that BRF cakes can be. Once you have them mastered move on to bulk and you'll be way more satisfied.

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Re: Cakes not producing well. Any help is appreciated! [Re: WhiteVeil]
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Agreed, cakes can be a little tricky with yields. I still wonder why they got so little, plus all the aborts, because 4 flushes is a pretty lengthy run. One thing for sure, though, is that tote is unnecessarily big for only a few cakes. I recommend trying to squeeze more like 15-20 in there

Oh SippinCoffee, look into ComeBackKid's bottom water tek. It can help improve yields if you don't overdo it.


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Edited by Psicomb (11/05/18 09:24 PM)

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Re: Cakes not producing well. Any help is appreciated! [Re: Psicomb]
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Psicomvb said:
Agreed, cakes can be a little tricky with yields. I still wonder why they got so little, plus all the aborts, because 4 flushes is a pretty lengthy run. One thing for sure, though, is that tote is unnecessarily big for only a few cakes. I recommend trying to squeeze more like 15-20 in there

Oh SippinCoffee, look into ComeBackKid's bottom water tek. It can help improve yields if you don't overdo it.


I think the low yield has to do with BRF as the nutrient source.

Edited by WhiteVeil (11/05/18 10:25 PM)

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Re: Cakes not producing well. Any help is appreciated! [Re: WhiteVeil]
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Not true. BRF cakes have been used for decades and have been proven to provide good results. Check out Fahtster's gallery, for example, and you'll see cake grows that are cranking out huge first flush across the board.

Here's two of my many cake grows that produced well (the only cake pics I have)


Cakes can definitely produce well.  Wish I had more pics from my cake days.


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Edited by Psicomb (11/05/18 11:28 PM)

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Re: Cakes not producing well. Any help is appreciated! [Re: Psicomb] * 1
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Psicomvb said:
Not true. BRF cakes have been used for decades and have been proven to provide good results. Check out Fahtster's gallery, for example, and you'll see cake grows that are cranking out huge first flush across the board.

Here's two of my many cake grows that produced well (the only cake pics I have)


Cakes can definitely produce well.  Wish I had more pics from my cake days.


They "Can". Can is the keyword. If BRF cakes were the end all be all, then there would be no point in moving on from them. As I said earlier you can get lucky and get more than usual as with any mushroom grow, but more than likely you're gonna get less than 10g per cake per flush, and that number will get lower and lower each flush.

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Re: Cakes not producing well. Any help is appreciated! [Re: WhiteVeil]
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they are just trying to figure out why their cakes are performing poorly.  They should have at 5-10g minimum per cake by now and I am confident that the low yield has nothing to do with BRF being the nutrient source.


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Edited by Psicomb (11/06/18 08:11 AM)

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Re: Cakes not producing well. Any help is appreciated! [Re: WhiteVeil]
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If you want to stick with cakes, you can get higher yields with pint jars. That being said, I pulled a little over an eighth dry off this cake. First blob I ever grew as well.

I pulled 110 and change wet off of a pint brf once. I think a lot has to do with genetics.


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Re: Cakes not producing well. Any help is appreciated! [Re: Alexthegreat]
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Alexthegreat said:


If you want to stick with cakes, you can get higher yields with pint jars. That being said, I pulled a little over an eighth dry off this cake. First blob I ever grew as well.

I pulled 110 and change wet off of a pint brf once. I think a lot has to do with genetics.


That is just how it is with MS, it is a shit show sometimes, and other times you have a mushroom cap canopy in your tub.

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Re: Cakes not producing well. Any help is appreciated! [Re: WhiteVeil]
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For sure man.  I'm curious what the cakes look like.  Can you post some pics, OP?


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Re: Cakes not producing well. Any help is appreciated! [Re: Psicomb]
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This one is from my first Flush which was the biggest. About 2/3 of those completely developed.


This is my second flush.


My Chamber as of today


My cakes as of today



Sorry it took so long to get you some pictures. I appreciate your patience.

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Re: Cakes not producing well. Any help is appreciated! [Re: Sippin Coffee] * 1
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Blue cakes and blue fruits means it's dry as fuck in that SGFC. When is the last time you sprayed down the perlite surface? You can feel with your hand on the surface if it's very moist or mostly dried out.

Those cakes have a slim chance of recovering in that SGFC


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Re: Cakes not producing well. Any help is appreciated! [Re: Mateja]
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Yeah those cakes are sucked up and dry as hell.

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Re: Cakes not producing well. Any help is appreciated! [Re: Sippin Coffee]
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Or your misting them to hard but i agree tooo dry keep an eye on em they'll likely mold soon.

The trick is to always be starting projects so failures are less major.

More cakes the better they'll hold the humidity in there!


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Re: Cakes not producing well. Any help is appreciated! [Re: Nimph]
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In my opinion, there's no point trying to get super high yields from BRF cakes. Maybe if you have a monospore culture and a smaller SGFC with more RH you would get higher yields, but I'm not sure by how much. I find that it is hard to dial in conditions just right for good BRF yields although there are certainly people on this forum that can do it up right.

Also, are you misting the cakes directly? water droplets on your pins can cause them to abort. If you mist anything, mist the perlite or the sides of the chamber.

If you really want higher yields, switch to bulk. You could shred those cakes into some pasteurized CVG and get a much higher yield. I usually shred about 8 1/2pint BRF cakes into 4 Quarts bulk sub and yield roughly 50grams dry from the first 2 flushes alone. Very easy to prep at home and very fun to watch them grow =)


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Re: Cakes not producing well. Any help is appreciated! [Re: WhiteVeil]
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WhiteVeil said:
Psicomvb said:
Not true. BRF cakes have been used for decades and have been proven to provide good results. Check out Fahtster's gallery, for example, and you'll see cake grows that are cranking out huge first flush across the board.

Here's two of my many cake grows that produced well (the only cake pics I have)


Cakes can definitely produce well.  Wish I had more pics from my cake days.


They "Can". Can is the keyword. If BRF cakes were the end all be all, then there would be no point in moving on from them. As I said earlier you can get lucky and get more than usual as with any mushroom grow, but more than likely you're gonna get less than 10g per cake per flush, and that number will get lower and lower each flush.


The inconsistent results on cakes come from a combination of tricky fruiting conditions to master AND the fact that almost all cake grows are done from spores. Multispore grows are a crap shoot. You never know what you're going to get.

A bulk sub from spores.

You just never know what multispore is gonna put out.


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First time growing cakes? DON'T make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber

The Shmuvbox. - The Old TC's Like it :shrug:

Afraid to Start Growing From Your Own Prints? Drop it Like a Tiger!
No Pouring. No Syringes. No Cutting. No flaming. No Contamination. No Bullshit.

"The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT

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Re: Cakes not producing well. Any help is appreciated! [Re: elasticaltiger]
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Cakes yield FAR better when you pack the shit out of a SGFC.

PACK THAT BITCH!!!  I know I have had up to 7 or 8 rows, by 4 cakes in my 110QT. Shoot for 20 cakes in there as they help create better conditions for one another. They create humidity, as well as need it.



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Re: Cakes not producing well. Any help is appreciated! [Re: TheMadHatter420] * 1
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TheMadHatter420 said:
Cakes yield FAR better when you pack the shit out of a SGFC.

PACK THAT BITCH!!!  I know I have had up to 7 or 8 rows, by 4 cakes in my 110QT. Shoot for 20 cakes in there as they help create better conditions for one another. They create humidity, as well as need it.




Also this. The more substrate you pack into the shotgun the better it will hold conditions.  Bulk subs are set and forget becajse they have so much substrate and mycelium that it creates the perfect mini greenhouse. You can emulate this by packing your chamber full of cakes


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First time growing cakes? DON'T make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber

The Shmuvbox. - The Old TC's Like it :shrug:

Afraid to Start Growing From Your Own Prints? Drop it Like a Tiger!
No Pouring. No Syringes. No Cutting. No flaming. No Contamination. No Bullshit.

"The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT

Pastywhite's Easy Agar Tek (PastyPlates)

Tiger Drop Video Demos By munchauzen

Van Gogh would’ve sold more than one painting if he’d put tigers in them.―Bill Watterson

EZEKIEL 23:20

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