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bobwastaken
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: l0wbob] 8
#25590419 - 11/03/18 11:12 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Insane patch. Very well done. It looks you've chosen a prime location for them.
Here is an update on the moss covered containers I made recently.
Azurescens

P.subaeruginosa

and some P.alutacea which are fruiting prolifically. least I know the FC maintains suitable conditions for winter mushrooms.

Edited by bobwastaken (11/03/18 11:20 PM)
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NothingsChanged
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: bobwastaken]
#25590432 - 11/03/18 11:24 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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really good stuff thanks for the updates
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: bobwastaken]
#25590621 - 11/04/18 01:34 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Incredible bobwastaken!
At first glance I thought the white was snow.
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Ferather
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Warrk]
#25591718 - 11/04/18 01:52 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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@bobwastaken
Enriched, high spawn ratio, or modified?
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mattrus] 4
#25592076 - 11/04/18 04:54 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mattrus said: This year I made a small psilocybe cyan planter with blackberry bushes and apple chips as a substrate. It is fruiting from the bottom water holes so I'm going to have to make room for them. Hopefully it fruits from the top too.



When I saw the pins I cut the bottom out and hung it from a tree, then I poked small holes in a plastic bag and tied it around the bottom to hold the moisture in when it isn't raining. They are doing pretty well I am just wondering what should I do to improve on this situation? I wasn't expecting this container to fruit at all this year.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mattrus]
#25592084 - 11/04/18 04:57 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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bobwastaken
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mattrus]
#25592185 - 11/04/18 05:34 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mattrus said:
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Mattrus said: This year I made a small psilocybe cyan planter with blackberry bushes and apple chips as a substrate. It is fruiting from the bottom water holes so I'm going to have to make room for them. Hopefully it fruits from the top too.



When I saw the pins I cut the bottom out and hung it from a tree, then I poked small holes in a plastic bag and tied it around the bottom to hold the moisture in when it isn't raining. They are doing pretty well I am just wondering what should I do to improve on this situation? I wasn't expecting this container to fruit at all this year.
That is so cool! Interesting substrate choice. I'd love to know more about the process.
@Ferather
Yes, enriched substrate for these containers.
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Nimph
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mattrus]
#25592743 - 11/04/18 10:28 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dude looks like a good way to get spores floating around your woods
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread *DELETED* [Re: Nimph]
#25593145 - 11/05/18 05:28 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ferather
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: stevo]
#25593211 - 11/05/18 06:32 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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@bobwastaken
Thought so based on the solid colony and fruiting (almost 100% coverage).
I'm taking note of the metabolites, no offense, as I don't get metabolites on WL-Tek (unless soaked in CaCO3 water). Another coarse of action, is to water the plant pot method with water + CaCO3, removing the oxalates.
The metabolites, oxalates and other waste products should drain away, like with rain. Total lifespan and fruiting cycles should go up (depending on the media).
You may need to cycle CaCO3 water and plain water.
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Calcium carbonate (lime) vs Gypsum, some data:
CaCO3 would be better than gypsum, it's slow to react and will increase the pH over time, it produces a soluble with water and CO2 (CO2 is expelled by mycelium). The mycelium will absorb the soluble bicarbonate which is produced, essentially recycling CO2, and utilize the various elements in various ways:
To make enzymes (such as calcium containing a-amylase), remove oxalates as calcium-oxalate, and also trace carbon.
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Modified extract from my Cubensis log:
Here is Cubensis on 100% CaCO3 chunks, with visible decay, and oxalates being deposited (yellowing). It is colonized brown rice spawn, being tested with lots of water CaCO3 and air.
I also transferred the CaCO3 to unmodified paper, just to see.



Gypsum is calcium-sulphur, alkali-acid arrangement.
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"Gypsum is also formed as a by-product of sulfide oxidation ... when the sulfuric acid generated reacts with calcium carbonate. Its presence indicates oxidizing conditions." -- Source.
It's similar to calcium-oxalate, alkali-acid arrangement, both are by-products, both require calcium carbonate, or bicarbonate. Oxalate.
More CaCO3 info in my pocket guide (here). Large chunks could also act as a barrier for injection.
Edited by Ferather (11/05/18 07:47 AM)
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bobwastaken
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Ferather] 3
#25594244 - 11/05/18 04:06 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sorry, I thought you were asking about the woodlover containers. The P.alutacea containers consist of WBS spawn to horse manure. The metabolites sre simply a result of low spawn ratio inviting contamination. Usually it looks like this.

I agree that drainage and the removal of waste products as it would occur in nature makes sense but then few of us ever run our spawn to the end of its life.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: bobwastaken]
#25594382 - 11/05/18 05:08 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Very nice. Lovely dark caps.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Ferather]
#25594654 - 11/05/18 07:09 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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This thread is the coolest! I haven't checked up on the patches I planted last spring in a few days (allenii, cyans and azzies) but I'll post some pics when I do
Keep up the good work!
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Nimph
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: bobwastaken]
#25594688 - 11/05/18 07:24 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Whats your temps friend?
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Nimph]
#25599578 - 11/07/18 08:35 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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*Random question alert* Will Azurescens mycelium feed off of living willow tree roots?
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Cybin_man]
#25599677 - 11/07/18 09:36 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Perty!
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: SayWhatSon]
#25599800 - 11/07/18 11:12 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pretty pic Bob
Got one pot done - scrap P.Sub container 7inch pot
? wonder if i can use 1 container so i can monitor growth
I have a plastic container
4 inch deep 13 inch long and 8.5 wide - have to work out ratio volume is around 7L? any good that depth
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Cybin_man]
#25599836 - 11/07/18 11:33 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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No theyre saps they eat dead stuff, they may form a symbiotic relationship though.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Nimph]
#25603835 - 11/09/18 06:47 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Does anyone else have contam problems with spawning sawdust to sawdust? I had a bag of colonized cyan myc on sawdust and spawned it to 5 other bags - each had tea and/or miracle grow - they each served as their own not very well-executed experiment. One consisted of sawdust pellets pasteurized via Lipa's fuel pellet tek. Out of those 5, 2 contaminated. The other three are still colonizing, but regardless, I've had this problem has fairly regularly with sawdust. (I have approx 3 jars from weeks ago of contaminated cyan and/or ovoid myc sitting in a fridge, hoping the myc will overrun the contams at lower temps [maybe I'm just too stingy with my myc]). I followed Franks' Pasteurization Tek for the most recent bags but a 40% contam rate is not good at all. I did the transfers in front of a flowhood but because it was bag -> bag, I most definitely mucked it up. Midway through, I kinda said fuck it (it's a pain in the ass doing bag -> bag of sawdust in front of a flowhood, cut me some slack), and eventuallytransferred the same way I'd normally do in open air, but in front of the hood. But still, having this high of a contam rate makes me very hesitant to spawn a bag to a tote box filled with hydrated woodchips, which was my plan, especially if 40% of all tote boxes become contaminated.
I'd like to have a 50+ lbs of colonized cyan and/or ovoid myc before spring time - just not too sure what I need to do differently. I have a colonized bag of ovoids sitting in the fridge at the moment but I'm hesitant to spawn them, even though I already have a bag of woodchips. Reading older posts, it seems like people have had success soaking woodchips in dilute bleach water for a few hours before spawning. I don't mind pasteurizing if it means a better success rate, but based on these last few bags, I'm more open to either sterilizing or any form of pasteurization beyond heat pasteurization. Reading other posts, it seems like other users have had success soaking woodchips in dilute bleach water.
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: tito123]
#25604677 - 11/10/18 06:46 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok I'm going to ask a few questions, and then I should be able to provide better thoughts and answers.
So you have 5 bags.
1: Are all 5 bags enriched with tea and-or miracle grow? What miracle grow are you using? 2: What type of contamination are we talking about? Mold, bacteria or other? 3: Which bags contaminated, the tea ones, the MG ones? 4: Is the sawdust spawn 100% clean?
Technically speaking, if you are making spawn, it should be aseptic.
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If we are talking about a lignicolous mold, you will normally get these molds on 100% wood. You would be better of with acid free paper pellets, and use clean grain spawn.
The phenols in tea-wood, can germinate spores and support growth.
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Additional data:
50-50 Wood pellets-paper pellets (WL-Tek), germinates mold occasionally, but it seems to stall. 100% Paper pellets (WL-Tek), rarely ever germinates mold, it should stall rapidly.
25g paper pellets (WL-Tek) + 4g black tea leaves, germinates molds.
The difference is the phenolic content, some of it soluble. Imagine the phenols are a starch or sugar.
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Here are black tea bags, infected with mold (spores from air). Tea leaves are nutritional, so no need to enrich.

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Enriching:
Ultimately you want to add about 2g of nitrogen to 100g of wood or paper, and about 1.5g to 100g of coir or straw. The soluble yeast nutrient I use adds additional essential nutrients not present in miracle-gro.
If you are enriching with a starch or sugar based additive, be completely aseptic. The idea of WL-Tek is to add nutrients, but not starch or sugar.
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Edit: I have ADHD, walls of data comes in parts!
Edited by Ferather (11/11/18 07:02 AM)
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