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MeanGreen
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Phyllodium pulchellum, the ancient Soma? Grow-Log & Discussion 3
#25588498 - 11/03/18 07:43 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Julian Palmer very generously offered to send me Phyllodium pulchellum seeds recently, and today they showed up in an envelope with a beautiful Sacred Lotus post-stamp. The ruler is in centimeters.
Julian is a well-known Australian psychonaut, ethnobotanist, sacred plants advocate and public figure. Many know him as the inventor of Changa. Recently, he went on a thrilling quest around the world for 5-MeO DMT plant sources. He talked about this adventure at the 2017 Entheogenesis Australis conference and posted a re-rendition of his talk on his youtube channel. A very, very highly recommended watch:
One of the last plants he investigated turned out to be Phyllodium pulchellum. It's an Asian plant with published analysis that proved extremely promising, containing not only much higher (~10x) levels of 5-MeO than the other plants he found, analysed and bioassayed during his research, but also DMT, Bufotenine and 6 unresearched beta-carbolines.
When he finally managed to locate the plant in Thailand after an unfruitful trip to Taiwan and bioassayed a tea made from the leaves, he realized this plant is most likely the best known candidate for the ancient Soma of the Vedas. It ticks all the boxes:

Very little information and pictures of Phyllodium pulchellum seem to be available online, I hope to change this with this thread if my attempts at cultivating this beautiful plant are successful.
Edited by MeanGreen (11/03/18 08:32 AM)
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Re: Phyllodium pulchellum, the ancient Soma? Grow-Log & Discussion [Re: MeanGreen] 1
#25588667 - 11/03/18 09:46 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow, that's quite fascinating, i feel the easy preparation for experience might draw a lot of attention to this, whether that's good or bad is hard to say but very promising none the less. Good luck on your endeavor, wishing you the best mate!
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Re: Phyllodium pulchellum, the ancient Soma? Grow-Log & Discussion [Re: MeanGreen]
#25588675 - 11/03/18 09:48 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Very interesting. I'm definitely curious and excited. So many promising plants have came fourth recently(at least to me). So much to grow
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Re: Phyllodium pulchellum, the ancient Soma? Grow-Log & Discussion [Re: pinedownpioneer]
#25589072 - 11/03/18 01:02 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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I put 5 seeds to soak in lukewarm water for a first attempt, will sow them tomorrow.
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Re: Phyllodium pulchellum, the ancient Soma? Grow-Log & Discussion [Re: MeanGreen] 1
#25589525 - 11/03/18 04:28 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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His talk was quite interesting and he's been quite busy lately finding out new things and collecting seeds like you have here. Nice to see this being spread further than our shores. I had a great chat with him at EGA, we spent over an hour picking each others brains.
Goodluck with those seeds MeanGreen.
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Re: Phyllodium pulchellum, the ancient Soma? Grow-Log & Discussion [Re: karode13]
#25596607 - 11/06/18 04:05 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fascinating! Hope you can grow a nice brew that is active without any extra MAOi's.
5-MeO is one of the most profound psychedelics - truly ecstatic
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Re: Phyllodium pulchellum, the ancient Soma? Grow-Log & Discussion [Re: Solipsis] 1
#25620166 - 11/17/18 05:11 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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May I join the party?

I will take better pictures later on. The seeds do look different than the ones you have. Do you have a good source of pictures from seeds of the plant?
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Re: Phyllodium pulchellum, the ancient Soma? Grow-Log & Discussion [Re: shroompy]
#25620194 - 11/17/18 05:36 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah I was gonna say those do look quite different from mine. I'll try to ask Julian for pictures of the pods on the plant.
You can make out some greenish pods on the right of the 2nd pic in the OP, coming out of the round parts which have opened. My seeds are very squarish and almost translucent with a visible black dot inside if you hold it to a light, which I believe is either the actual seed or the embryo.
Someone else on SAB received seeds and there's a bit of discussion about germination here: http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?/topic/45584-phyllodium-pulchellum-seeds/&tab=comments#comment-560815
Edited by MeanGreen (11/17/18 05:43 AM)
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Re: Phyllodium pulchellum, the ancient Soma? Grow-Log & Discussion [Re: MeanGreen]
#25620211 - 11/17/18 06:02 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you take a look at the (bad) pictures from the paper "Seed germination of two medicinal plants: Desmodium Pulchellum" you might find some simmilarities to mine. The shop where I got the seeds recommends using cactussoil with perlite and vulcan granulates. for aiding germination they recommend Gibberellic acid.
Another document I found about germination says it can take months to germ. http://www.members.westnet.com.au/wackos/PDFs/Growing%20your%20Phyllodium%20pulchellum%20plant.pdf
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Re: Phyllodium pulchellum, the ancient Soma? Grow-Log & Discussion [Re: shroompy] 1
#25637890 - 11/25/18 10:02 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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After more and more research, I came to the point, where I found the picture of the seeds I got on shaman australis. They claim those can´t be Phyllodium seeds.
Well I got unsure.. and started looking at pictures and pictures and more pictures of this fabulous plant, where one can see, how the seeds look like on the plant.
They actually look like on MeanGreens pictures! Julain Palmers seeds are still on the seed pod. No reason to discredit my seed:
This ist what I later found from someone who has grown the plant. If this nobody whishes me to have the pics taken down, please PM me.
On their pods
Depoded
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Re: Phyllodium pulchellum, the ancient Soma? Grow-Log & Discussion [Re: shroompy] 4
#25653841 - 12/03/18 05:50 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Phyllodium Pulchellum germinated (or whatever seed was selled to my seller as p. pulchellum)

either way, I´m haaa py
cheers shroom py
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MeanGreen
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Re: Phyllodium pulchellum, the ancient Soma? Grow-Log & Discussion [Re: shroompy]
#25657319 - 12/04/18 05:11 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's awesome, congrats man! I definitely wasn't bashing your seeds on SAB, just wondering. What you posted makes sense, I'll try to deshell some see if they germinate, still no dice on mines.
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Re: Phyllodium pulchellum, the ancient Soma? Grow-Log & Discussion [Re: MeanGreen] 1
#25660835 - 12/06/18 03:09 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Comming nice and strong 
I wanted to post on SAB, but they are taking forever to verify my account.

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Re: Phyllodium pulchellum, the ancient Soma? Grow-Log & Discussion [Re: shroompy]
#25661187 - 12/06/18 08:44 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
shroompy said: Comming nice and strong 
I wanted to post on SAB, but they are taking forever to verify my account.

shroompy

Yeah i applied almost a year ago and they never gor back to me. Their loss i guess.
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Re: Phyllodium pulchellum, the ancient Soma? Grow-Log & Discussion [Re: ferrel_human]
#25662969 - 12/07/18 12:53 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
ferrel_human said:
Quote:
shroompy said: Comming nice and strong 
I wanted to post on SAB, but they are taking forever to verify my account.

shroompy

Yeah i applied almost a year ago and they never gor back to me. Their loss i guess.
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Re: Phyllodium pulchellum, the ancient Soma? Grow-Log & Discussion [Re: shroompy]
#25692993 - 12/21/18 03:09 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've got an update! 3 more seeds made it to the surface and are looking even healthier than the first one pictures to come
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Re: Phyllodium pulchellum, the ancient Soma? Grow-Log & Discussion [Re: shroompy]
#25693605 - 12/21/18 11:51 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Phyllodium pulchellum, the ancient Soma? Grow-Log & Discussion [Re: shroompy]
#25820027 - 02/17/19 11:12 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey shroompy, How are the seedlings going?? Did anyone manage to get any going? I Wish i could get my hands on some seeds.
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Re: Phyllodium pulchellum, the ancient Soma? Grow-Log & Discussion [Re: MeanGreen] 1
#26086643 - 07/02/19 05:07 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks MeanGreen & Julian for the inspiration to try growing this species. This is my strongest one at about 6 months from sowing:
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Re: Phyllodium pulchellum, the ancient Soma? Grow-Log & Discussion [Re: GiveBack]
#26204633 - 09/23/19 12:31 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Great guys 
Joining the party as well as i just received some seeds from a generous source... how are you guys' plants at this point? They all still turned out to match PP?
I also wonder, if this plant is a member of Fabaceae, that means it is a good nitrogen fixer and could be nice to grow with fungi in the ground? Unfortunately i don't think the climate would be a match so I can't really grow PP outdoors.
Anyway lets first see about germination what is the germ % like?
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Re: Phyllodium pulchellum, the ancient Soma? Grow-Log & Discussion [Re: Solipsis] 1
#27762519 - 05/04/22 09:05 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Reviving this post again since it's a very interesting topic!
Anyone having luck growing this?
Thinking of getting some seeds of that - if someone can pm me a reliable vendor with original seeds I would be thankful!
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Re: Phyllodium pulchellum, the ancient Soma? Grow-Log & Discussion [Re: Entersandman]
#27763114 - 05/04/22 04:26 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Indeed. I am also interested in growing this plant.
I went looking for seeds on the internet but it seems that there are a dozen shady places trying to sell them and even more different names for the plant.
I'm also going to look for some desmodium gangeticum seeds since it's probably easier to find and a lot of people sell dried leaves.
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Re: Phyllodium pulchellum, the ancient Soma? Grow-Log & Discussion [Re: DancingWolf] 1
#27765391 - 05/06/22 02:06 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
DancingWolf said: I went looking for seeds on the internet but it seems that there are a dozen shady places trying to sell them and even more different names for the plant.
This is what I am concerned about...different vendors with different looking images of the plant. So who has the original?
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Re: Phyllodium pulchellum, the ancient Soma? Grow-Log & Discussion [Re: Entersandman] 1
#27766561 - 05/06/22 08:56 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Well, there is one method of getting the correct seeds. Take a vacation to the habitat when it's seed time and nab some from the country of origin. If I'm ever wealthy enough, getting original seeds from collection sites is something I fantasize about.
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Re: Phyllodium pulchellum, the ancient Soma? Grow-Log & Discussion [Re: DancingWolf] 1
#27766972 - 05/07/22 07:33 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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You know DW, I've planned trip for that, this summer in Peru and Bolivia for Pedro seeds. It's actually way cheaper than you would think. Plane tickets and covering missing income are the hardest part, the 4-5 star hotels down there are only <$70 a night. It gets cheaper the more you turn it from play to business. Though buying tickets a year out makes them super cheap.
Would love to try and do that with Japan and the moss that contains THC-P but that is a super expensive one.
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Re: Phyllodium pulchellum, the ancient Soma? Grow-Log & Discussion [Re: RaRaRasputin]
#27768631 - 05/08/22 12:31 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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This sounds interesting. I heard about that moss too, I thought you could order it somewhere I remember reading about some well known lichen expert talking about mixing orange juice or something acidic with lichens to create delta-6-THC if I remember correctly but I couldn't find it last time I searched...
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Re: Phyllodium pulchellum, the ancient Soma? Grow-Log & Discussion [Re: Mr.Giggles]
#27768763 - 05/08/22 02:23 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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It's difficult! I've been looking for some spores or moss material but there is nothing. It's a quite particular/uncommon in Japan to begin with so it's nearly impossible to get with out a direct source.
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Re: Phyllodium pulchellum, the ancient Soma? Grow-Log & Discussion [Re: RaRaRasputin]
#27768972 - 05/08/22 05:31 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Interesting plant sadly for me shipping cost more than the seeds lol
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Re: Phyllodium pulchellum, the ancient Soma? Grow-Log & Discussion [Re: modern.shaman]
#28429004 - 08/10/23 07:43 PM (5 months, 15 days ago) |
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BUMP! Anyone? Growing, had an experience?
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Re: Phyllodium pulchellum, the ancient Soma? Grow-Log & Discussion [Re: butterflydawn] 1
#28506660 - 10/16/23 10:07 AM (3 months, 10 days ago) |
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So I sowed around 100 seeds and after 2 months a few are starting to germinate. The seeds I got are different from OP but looking at different sources online I think mine are correct maybe different types or plants? Hopefully mine is active after a few years growing I'll find out.
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Re: Phyllodium pulchellum, the ancient Soma? Grow-Log & Discussion [Re: modern.shaman]
#28506979 - 10/16/23 02:35 PM (3 months, 10 days ago) |
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So after searching for a while pretty sure my seeds are wrong since even the seller has different seeds now for Phyllodium pulchellum
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Re: Phyllodium pulchellum, the ancient Soma? Grow-Log & Discussion [Re: modern.shaman]
#28616264 - 01/10/24 11:13 AM (17 days, 8 hours ago) |
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I have been focusing heavily on Phyllodium pulchellum lately and believe I've come up with a repeatable tek for germinating seeds consistently. My goal is to put it together as a tek after testing it a bit further and ensuring that its truly repeatable.
The plant is fairly difficult to keep going even after germination so there is more to learn and experiment with here.

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Re: Phyllodium pulchellum, the ancient Soma? Grow-Log & Discussion [Re: Mycoplex]
#28618330 - 01/12/24 05:46 AM (15 days, 14 hours ago) |
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I got some seeds going and they didn't require any special treatment. They are legumes so should fix the soil as long as you use real soil. So far going pretty easy
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Re: Phyllodium pulchellum, the ancient Soma? Grow-Log & Discussion [Re: modern.shaman]
#28633965 - 01/25/24 02:23 AM (2 days, 17 hours ago) |
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Please someone pm me with a source for seeds. I've been wanting to grow this for quite a while.
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Re: Phyllodium pulchellum, the ancient Soma? Grow-Log & Discussion [Re: Nichrome]
#28634295 - 01/25/24 10:21 AM (2 days, 9 hours ago) |
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Hey Nichrome, if you shoot me a privnote I can post you some from my collection to save you time/money, just let me know. Always enjoyed posting with you on here.
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Re: Phyllodium pulchellum, the ancient Soma? Grow-Log & Discussion [Re: Mycoplex]
#28634655 - 01/25/24 03:31 PM (2 days, 4 hours ago) |
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