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Potential mushroom poisoning...
    #25584929 - 11/01/18 07:00 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Folks,

I've been here quite a long time and I am not one to unnecessarily sound the alarm, but I wonder if I could get some assistance on an mushroom ID. Friend of a friend ingested the pictured mushrooms and became very ill 7 hrs post (vomiting and diarrhea). This individual has now been hospitalized and poison control is involved. The mushroom was originally thought to be a pine mushroom, but there is a concern that it might be an Amanita.

Of course I understand that this person might have become violently ill coincident with consuming these mushrooms and it might be a red herring for something else at play. Any assistance would be appreciated. I will also post a duplicate in the mushroom ID thread.







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Re: Potential mushroom poisoning... [Re: pslyke]
    #25584939 - 11/01/18 07:03 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

um thats a deathcap.


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Re: Potential mushroom poisoning... [Re: Salomon]
    #25584941 - 11/01/18 07:04 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

destroying angel,

aka the single most commonly eaten deadly amanita species, because it looks like a button cap.


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Re: Potential mushroom poisoning... [Re: Salomon]
    #25584947 - 11/01/18 07:06 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Certainly that is the concern...


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Re: Potential mushroom poisoning... [Re: Salomon]
    #25584951 - 11/01/18 07:07 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, take this in to MH&I.

It's not a death cap, but it looks a bit like a destroying angel.

Your friend may be in mortal danger right now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amatoxin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destroying_angel


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Re: Potential mushroom poisoning... [Re: Salomon]
    #25584952 - 11/01/18 07:07 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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The destroying angel (Amanita bisporigera) and the death cap (Amanita phalloides) account for the overwhelming majority of deaths due to mushroom poisoning. The toxin responsible for this is amatoxin, which inhibits RNA polymerase II and III. Symptoms do not appear for 5 to 24 hours, when the toxins may already be absorbed and the damage (destruction of liver and kidney tissues) is irreversible. As little as half a mushroom cap can be fatal if the victim is not treated quickly enough. The symptoms include vomiting, cramps, delirium, convulsions, and diarrhea. In one study, people who had ingested the toxin were treated with "fluid and electrolyte replacement, oral activated charcoal and lactulose, IV penicillin, combined hemodialysis and hemoperfusion in two 8-hour sessions", some with "IV thioctic acid, others IV silibinin" and all received a "special diet". It was concluded that "...intensive combined treatment applied in these cases is effective in relieving patients with both moderate and severe amanitin poisoning.".[2]

    Physicians have had success in treatment of amatoxin poisoning using "anti-hepatotoxic" compounds from the milk thistle, Silybum marianum. A crude extract of flavolignans from S. marianum seeds, called silymarin (trade name Legalon) has proven useful in amatoxin poisoning cases. In a trial of one of the flavolignans silybin, in 60 patients poisoned by amatoxin-containing Amanita species, there were no deaths. (see Der Marderosian & Liberti 1988 and Foster 1991 for a summary of this work).[3]




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Re: Potential mushroom poisoning... (moved) [Re: pslyke]
    #25584965 - 11/01/18 07:12 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

This thread was moved from The Pub.

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Re: Potential mushroom poisoning... [Re: Salomon]
    #25584966 - 11/01/18 07:13 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

He can't extract milk thisle in a hospital though.

Looks like a death cap, syptoms sound typical, I'd be praying right now


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Re: Potential mushroom poisoning... [Re: trees]
    #25584980 - 11/01/18 07:18 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

i mean sometimes walmart even has capsules of milk thistle extract 80% by volume. make a run, buy out the shelves, get a blender and some protein powder, coconut charcoal carbon, funnel that into the body with an iv of saline and morphine, shit you'd have a fighting chance. i really hope we're wrong OP.


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Re: Potential mushroom poisoning... [Re: trees]
    #25584982 - 11/01/18 07:18 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Death cap Amanita phalloides


Destroying angel


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Re: Potential mushroom poisoning... [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #25586831 - 11/02/18 03:07 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

When they even look close to that destroying angel I don't go anywhere near them or pick them. 

I really hope your friend is OK.


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Re: Potential mushroom poisoning... [Re: Sofa_King]
    #25586861 - 11/02/18 03:22 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks and ditto!

When my wife supplied me with the pictures of the specimens consumed I had a horrible sinking feeling. This is not a mistake you want to make.


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