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tryptkaloids
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Let's talk clones.
#25214921 - 05/19/18 03:50 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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How do you go about testing them? Bottles? Shoeboxes? Shoeboxes are starting to piss me off for testing clones. I was led to believe that clones should flush more uniformly than ms, my current ones are staggered as fuck. Is it safe to assume potency isn't consistant either?
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Dr. Freeman
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How is your cloning procedure? I never had problem with consistency when using clones.
Regarding testing, nature already does the testing when producing fast big fruits in a cluster. I generally choose the biggest fruit in the fastest cluster and work on that. My end result is a substrate surface filled with thick clusters of very consistent cubes.
The most I squeezed a stem I put tissue samples on 2 LC jars and 10 grain jars. Only one jar contaminated badly due to a random mold spore.
I suppose you want to compare different clones. A pint jar of grain spawned to coir in a bottle should be good. Perhaps using 2 bottles per clones to verify both grow the same.
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Ziran
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I like to test them on brf cakes (if I made an LI or LC) or just take em to grains. Monotub it up after that.
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Re: Let's talk clones. [Re: Ziran]
#25215070 - 05/19/18 05:36 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Whatโs wrong with your shoeboxes?
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Re: Let's talk clones. [Re: JHOVA]
#25215078 - 05/19/18 05:40 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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you can do trays in a monotub
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Re: Let's talk clones. [Re: Ziran]
#25215308 - 05/19/18 08:01 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Pf cakes was what I always heard but I use small bread bake trays like smaller shoeboxes I guess.
Your clone is probably several dikaryotic mycelia co existing, but after several fruiting attempts I would think you would know all it's variations.
I had one that fruits realllllly large but never in clusters and overall about same yield.
I chose and maintain the one that fruits medium but thick meaty consistent clusters everywhere.
That's the genetics
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There is absolutely no guarantee that a clone will fruit gangbusters. Sometimes clones are not prolific with lush carpets of shrooms.
I find the best way to test is with the bottle tek or the equivalent done in a spawn bag.
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tryptkaloids
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Dr. Freeman said: How is your cloning procedure? I never had problem with consistency when using clones.
um... Clone fruit, transfer until clean. A2g.
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Dr. Freeman said: Regarding testing, nature already does the testing when producing fast big fruits in a cluster.
good clusters don't always mean good potency.
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Dr. Freeman said: My end result is a substrate surface filled with thick clusters of very consistent cubes.
3 clones put out staggered flushes  2 of these clones came from clusters.
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Dr. Freeman said: The most I squeezed a stem I put tissue samples on 2 LC jars and 10 grain jars. Only one jar contaminated badly due to a random mold spore.
why aren't you using agar?
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Thatโs doesnt look like the clones shit the bed. That looks like you gave great environment to the sides and underneath. Maybe dialing in your specific environment needs fine tuning, no? In my house my tubs dry out quick with standard mp tape amount so i have to add more to keep things happy if i case at spawn or perhaps plug some of the holes since my rh is low. Youll figure it out though.
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tryptkaloids
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Re: Let's talk clones. [Re: JHOVA]
#25216587 - 05/20/18 01:30 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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JHOVA said: Whatโs wrong with your shoeboxes?
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sandman420 said: There is absolutely no guarantee that a clone will fruit gangbusters. Sometimes clones are not prolific with lush carpets of shrooms.
I find the best way to test is with the bottle tek or the equivalent done in a spawn bag.
It's not even yield that I'm looking for at this point. I just don't want to deal with one flush twice
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JHOVA said: Whatโs wrong with your shoeboxes?
Nothing. I just want to run a bunch of ms with them. They are better for clone hunting imo
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Re: Let's talk clones. [Re: JHOVA]
#25216592 - 05/20/18 01:31 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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JHOVA said: Thatโs doesnt look like the clones shit the bed. That looks like you gave great environment to the sides and underneath. Maybe dialing in your specific environment needs fine tuning, no? In my house my tubs dry out quick with standard mp tape amount so i have to add more to keep things happy if i case at spawn or perhaps plug some of the holes since my rh is low. Youll figure it out though.

Yea, I was gone for a week during fruiting and my mom only misted every other day. It's not that they are bad clones, I just hate that it comes in waves. Split flushes are annoying
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I use shoeboxes. Does anyone know if its a good idea to take a clone from a agar fruit?
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Re: Let's talk clones. [Re: DamonD]
#25216755 - 05/20/18 02:54 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah that's recommended.
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Dr. Freeman
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tryptkaloids said: why aren't you using agar?
Just an example of one particular experience. I used OR grade sterile techniques, iodine and sterile gloves. So I didn't bother with agar. LC were later tested on agar, all clean, grain did good and gave uniform flush.
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tryptkaloids said: good clusters don't always mean good potency.
That is true. I'm simply not up to testing potency. I find it hard to tell if one is stronger than the other. If you are up to testing potency, eat the original cluster.
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tryptkaloids
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Ive been told that eating the cloned cluster isnt a good indicator of potency. It makes sense if you consider the genetic varience between fruits
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You should fruit your clone in whatever type of tub/container you're looking to fruit it in permanently. It's not guaranteed a culture performs the same in every vessel. I've had PE clones that did terrible in bottles, but were solid in tubs. It could be influenced by the grower, but this is what I believe either PW/Muda told me BITD, and I observed it early on with my PE example.
I clone from clusters, both mature or early, and have nearly always had solid flushes. Never staggered or shitty pinsets like yours. So I don't know, but I'm sure your conditions and care in the fruiting process are influencing it.
Do you have any pictures of the fruits you cloned initially for these pinsets?
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tryptkaloids
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I might, but I don't know which pics they would be. that was awhile ago. I ditched them because they were weak as fuck.
I took new clones a couple days ago of this ms culture... it might be pe but I doubt it. a ksss shoebox got mixed up with the PE https://files.shroomery.org/files/18-43/023148901-15402314395531915162396888511704.jpg and this guy is the fat pin in the middle of the first pic
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Man, that's a sad looking tub. And you shouldn't be cloning individual fruits, you should go for fruits within clusters. That'll help you get better flushes in the future. I'm going to write up a cloning tek at some point and I'll PM you when I do. It probably won't provide tons of shit you don't know, but will illustrate how I pick clusters and their output.
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tryptkaloids
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yea. I dipped out right at fruiting again. I know they aren't good candidates. just practicing
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