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Europe does not permit criticism of Muhammed
    #25570267 - 10/26/18 09:16 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Free speech is dying and blasphemy laws are returning to Europe. How many times will Europe shoot themselves in the foot?

I wonder if people can still criticize Christianity?

I guess this means it's time for Europeans to shut up and take one for the team.

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The freedom of speech does not extend to include defaming the prophet of Islam, the European Court of Human rights ruled Thursday (2018).

The court’s decision comes after it rejected an Austrian woman’s claim that her previous conviction for calling Muhammad a pedophile, due to his marriage to a 6-year-old girl, violated her freedom of speech.

A Vienna court convicted her in 2011 of disparaging religious doctrines, ordering her to pay a $547 fine, plus legal costs. The ruling was later upheld by an Austrian appeals court.




https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/world/defaming-muhammad-does-not-fall-under-purview-of-free-speech-european-court-rules.amp

Bukhari (6:298) - Muhammad would take a bath with the little Aisha and fondle her.


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Re: Europe does not permit criticism of Muhammed [Re: XUL] * 2
    #25570290 - 10/26/18 09:31 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Isn't this the equivalent of some backwater American state like Alabama or something producing a whacky court decision and then painting the entire USA with that brush?


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Re: Europe does not permit criticism of Muhammed [Re: XUL]
    #25570380 - 10/26/18 10:28 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Here is a Dutch politician calling Mohamed a pedophile, on TV, in 2017.

Skip to 7:55.



The Netherlands is firmly within Europe, and he got away with it.

Did FOXNEWS mention that?

Oh, by the way, that guy's name is Geert Wilders, and I'll bet Trump approves of him.




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Re: Europe does not permit criticism of Muhammed [Re: VroomerMcZoomers]
    #25570387 - 10/26/18 10:31 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

It is not a back woods court. It's an international court that rains down on nations as pertaining to human rights.

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Isn't this the equivalent of some backwater American state like Alabama or something producing a whacky court decision and then painting the entire USA with that brush?





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The court, which also can hear cases brought by states, may award financial compensation, and its decisions often require changes in national law.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/European-Court-of-Human-Rights




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Governments, parliaments and courts in each country are mainly responsible for upholding the rights set out in the convention.
https://www.coe.int/en/web/impact-convention-human-rights/how-it-works




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Re: Europe does not permit criticism of Muhammed [Re: VroomerMcZoomers]
    #25570399 - 10/26/18 10:37 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

2017 happened before 2018. Again, this ruling just came out, so videos from 2017 are irrelevant.


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Re: Europe does not permit criticism of Muhammed [Re: VroomerMcZoomers]
    #25571013 - 10/27/18 09:15 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Do you know what the crazy thing is?

In Islam, one cannot defame the prophet Muhammed through visual or verbal medium. Now, Europe has the same standard. Europe begins its decline into Sharia law. Once the Muslims take power, it is inevitable.

Europe is toast.


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Re: Europe does not permit criticism of Muhammed [Re: XUL]
    #25571432 - 10/27/18 12:38 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

That's paranoia.  The European standard for hate speech being more restrictive than the American one is what this is.

Also, why would the Dutch politician not get prosecuted for the same thing an Austrian women did?  Does it have something to do with the way the law in Austria differs from the Netherlands? 

It would seem that this European court is allowing Austria to keep their hate speech standard, which would be analogous to some concept of state's rights.

Besides, the nuances of this case are that the court felt the purpose of the speech in question was to promote hate, which it likely was.  The tone of the presentation and the neglect to mention the historical context of the Mohamed's times was noted as a significant factor in the decision.

If you want to be afraid of an out of control Muslim theocracy, then check out Saudi Arabia.  That shit is over the top, and America sends them billions in military weapons regularly.

I guess Trump and America are enabling a decline into Sharia law, then.


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Re: Europe does not permit criticism of Muhammed [Re: VroomerMcZoomers]
    #25571460 - 10/27/18 12:46 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

How do you know that? The story just broke.


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Re: Europe does not permit criticism of Muhammed [Re: VroomerMcZoomers]
    #25571494 - 10/27/18 12:59 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Know what?


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Re: Europe does not permit criticism of Muhammed [Re: VroomerMcZoomers]
    #25571525 - 10/27/18 01:16 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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Also, why would the Dutch politician not get prosecuted for the same thing an Austrian women did?  Does it have something to do with the way the law in Austria differs from the Netherlands?




What politician defamed Muhammed since this breaking news came about just recently? Do you think the changes in law will be instantaneous?


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Re: Europe does not permit criticism of Muhammed [Re: XUL] * 2
    #25571578 - 10/27/18 01:44 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

You already know it happened last year. 

This Austrian case began long, long before that, she had already been convicted by an Austrian court by the time the Dutchman called Mohamed a pedophile.  But he was never prosecuted for it.

It likely shows that this is not a European phenomenon so much as a local one.

In the Netherlands you can call Mohamed a pedophile and in Austria you can't.

Anyways, Trump and the Republicans are arming a real Muslim theocracy to the teeth.  That's real, that's right now. 

This thing your talking about, Europe becoming a Muslim theocracy, is a far off, in the distance thing that's unlikely to happen.

Simple prudence would say you should worry more about what's actually happening than something that might happen, plus, you are an American right?  You can actually affect your country's efforts at promoting Sharia law by not voting for candidates that want to heavily arm a brutal Muslim theocracy.

I haven't seen any criticism of this by you.  Why is that?



There he is, doin it...

https://www.newsweek.com/how-much-us-weapons-sales-saudi-arabia-trump-1167693


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Re: Europe does not permit criticism of Muhammed [Re: VroomerMcZoomers]
    #25571631 - 10/27/18 02:12 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

No. She was convicted in 2011 for locally calling Muhammed a pedo. Then she appealed it, failed, appealed at a national level, failed, and finally appealed to the ECHR  and was denied (like this week).

The ECHR rains over the European provinces.


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Re: Europe does not permit criticism of Muhammed [Re: XUL]
    #25571678 - 10/27/18 02:34 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Oh really.  Are all EU members going to reform their laws to conform to this ruling then? 

Here's some stats on your buddy Trump arming the most brutal Muslim theocracy on the planet.  Still waiting for your comment on that. 

Might be waiting a while...



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Re: Europe does not permit criticism of Muhammed [Re: VroomerMcZoomers]
    #25571701 - 10/27/18 02:46 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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Oh really.  Are all EU members going to reform their laws to conform to this ruling then? 

Here's some stats on your buddy Trump arming the most brutal Muslim theocracy on the planet.  Still waiting for your comment on that. 

Might be waiting a while...






No different than under Obama, Bush and Clinton.


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Re: Europe does not permit criticism of Muhammed [Re: qman]
    #25571725 - 10/27/18 02:55 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

I know that.

It seems that Muslims are a boogeyman when talking about immigration of regular or poor, desperate people.

When it comes to hard power held by wealthy, corrupt, muslim extremists, it's OK to send them billions of dollars worth of weapons.


Anyone who detects irony in this is a 'lefty', right?


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Re: Europe does not permit criticism of Muhammed [Re: VroomerMcZoomers]
    #25571759 - 10/27/18 03:10 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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I know that.

It seems that Muslims are a boogeyman when talking about immigration of regular or poor, desperate people.

When it comes to hard power held by wealthy, corrupt, muslim extremists, it's OK to send them billions of dollars worth of weapons.


Anyone who detects irony in this is a 'lefty', right?




You can't see the distinction between millions of broke religious fanatical Muslims flooding into one's homeland and selling weapons to Muslims from thousands of miles away?


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Re: Europe does not permit criticism of Muhammed [Re: qman]
    #25571767 - 10/27/18 03:13 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

One group is sovereign, wealthy, armed to the teeth, and displays violence regularly, the other are just normal people, living under the rule of whatever country decides to take them in?

Is there some other difference than that to you?


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Re: Europe does not permit criticism of Muhammed [Re: VroomerMcZoomers]
    #25571781 - 10/27/18 03:21 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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One group is sovereign, wealthy, armed to the teeth, and displays violence regularly, the other are just normal people, living under the rule of whatever country decides to take them in?

Is there some other difference than that to you?




You seem to think there's some hypocrisy in doing business with a group of people and not accepting them in as immigrants. I don't see it and it happens all the time.


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Re: Europe does not permit criticism of Muhammed [Re: qman]
    #25571832 - 10/27/18 03:55 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Doing business?  That's a pretty soft term.

America is arming them.  America is heavily arming a group of Muslim extremists who have total power over Saudi Arabia.


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    #25572214 - 10/27/18 06:49 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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Oh really.  Are all EU members going to reform their laws to conform to this ruling then? 

Here's some stats on your buddy Trump arming the most brutal Muslim theocracy on the planet.  Still waiting for your comment on that. 

Might be waiting a while...






No different than under Obama, Bush and Clinton.




No it’s actually a radical escalation of the funding Saudi Arabia gets. And trump has financial interest in Saudi Arabia. The Saudis rented large numbers of rooms in trump hotels without ever using them. The corruption is sickening


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