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#25571287 - 10/27/18 11:40 AM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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https://hightimes.com/news/canadians-reporting-dispensaries-incorrectly-weighing-weed
Canadians are Reporting that Dispensaries are Incorrectly Weighing Weed
Complaints about underweight weed purchases are on the rise in some Canadian provinces. Are producers to blame?
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October 26, 2018
By Adam Drury
What makes a good weed dealer? You might say the quality of the product, or consistent availability. Maybe the variety, price breaks, delivery, or a free session or sample makes them great. Regardless, there’s one thing we can all agree too: a good dealer gives you what you paid for. On Oct. 17, the Canadian government essentially became the country’s largest, legal purveyor of cannabis. In fact, in some provinces, government-run weed stores are the only game in town. But already, Canadians are reporting a problem. Dispensaries are incorrectly weighing weed, and not in the good way of giving you a heavy bag or rounding up a gram. Rather, some government-stores, customers say, are violating the cardinal rule of selling weed: not shorting your clientele.
Canadian Cannabis Consumers Say Government-Run Shops are Coming Up Short
First, it was a social media post in Nova Scotia. Then, another in New Brunswick, and another in Prince Edward Island. And soon, lots of cannabis consumers were posting pictures and videos of their cannabis purchases from government-run stores. But the posts weren’t excitement over legal access to weed, or weed porn of top-shelf flower. Instead, they were posts of people putting their weed on their own scales to show how their purchases literally came up short.
Speaking with CTV Atlantic, Adam Roop says he bought four different 1 gram packages of flower, each a different strain, from a Nova Scotia Liquor Corporation store. As mandated by Canada’s strict packaging requirements, Roop was simply handed a black plastic, disposable container covered with warnings, lab results and other data. He didn’t get to see a budtender select the buds and weigh them on a scale in front of him– a simple procedure most cannabis legislation has pushed out.
So, naturally, Roop went home and checked the weight of his weed, but found that things were out of whack. Two of the packages were light by about a tenth of a gram. The other two were almost right on target—one even hit 1.02 grams. A mixed bag, but other consumers weren’t as lucky as Roop. All they got were underweight containers.
What To Do If Your Weed Purchase Is Light
So who’s to blame for the underweight weed? According to former medical dispensary owner Heidi Chartrand, the issue is usually farther up the supply chain, with the producers who package the cannabis. She says wholesale purchases from licensed producers were often underweight, which is why she employed a scale at her shop to make sure patients got the medicine they paid for. Liquor and cannabis control boards in Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and Prince Edward Island all agree with Chartrand. They’re also pointing to licensed producers, who are in charge of packaging, for the inaccurate weighs.
Health Canada, the federal agency in charge of oversight of the legal cannabis program, says that it allows a certain degree of variance in product weight. Organigram, a licensed producer in New Brunswick, shot back against customer complaints. They reminded customers that over time, cannabis buds lose moisture and dry up. Water is heavy, and evaporation could account for some of the underweight packages people are reporting.
Unfortunately, there’s not a lot customers can do about a light weed package. The NSLC is telling customers they can bring a package back to the store for a refund or exchange. But other provincial weed stores have not adopted any return or exchange policy. So for those folks, all that’s left is trust in weed karma, that those missing tenths of a gram will come back around sometime, somewhere.
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 Re: Canadian dispensaries breaking stoner cardinal rule? [Re: sycodelix]
#25571744 - 10/27/18 03:00 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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So people are bitching about being short less than .2 grams on a 4 gram purchase? That's actually not bad. It's not like being shorted 50% because your dealer quickly hands the weed off out the window of their car. If someone shorts you in the black market they Aren't going to say hey just bring it back for a refund/replacement. Quit bitching you cry babies your buying weed for 1/4 of what people pay in the black market.
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Re: Canadian dispensaries breaking stoner cardinal rule? [Re: Crispy224] 1
#25571844 - 10/27/18 04:02 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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Crispy224 said:
So people are bitching about being short less than .2 grams on a 4 gram purchase? That's actually not bad. It's not like being shorted 50% because your dealer quickly hands the weed off out the window of their car. If someone shorts you in the black market they Aren't going to say hey just bring it back for a refund/replacement. Quit bitching you cry babies your buying weed for 1/4 of what people pay in the black market.
Fuck that. You're still thinking like it's illegal. Things sold by weight should weigh what they say. If your lunchmeat was 12 oz but it said a pound wouldn't you be mad?
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Re: Canadian dispensaries breaking stoner cardinal rule? [Re: Crispy224]
#25572201 - 10/27/18 06:44 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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Crispy224 said:
So people are bitching about being short less than .2 grams on a 4 gram purchase? That's actually not bad. It's not like being shorted 50% because your dealer quickly hands the weed off out the window of their car. If someone shorts you in the black market they Aren't going to say hey just bring it back for a refund/replacement. Quit bitching you cry babies your buying weed for 1/4 of what people pay in the black market.
Uh, wrong. I don't know what black market you source weed from but marijuana is at least 25-50% cheaper on the black market than the legal market. It's likely going to get cheaper too to compete with legalization. (in Canada)
Also, 0.2 grams x 100 orders adds up. To say it doesn't matter is ridiculous.
I do believe some of these customers could have shitty and or uncalibrated scales, though I wouldn't doubt if there was some miscounting going on. There really is no recourse. All the packaging is sealed and can't be resealed, so anyone can lie and say they're missing some and return it.
Apparently NL is allowing returns, but I think it will just be taken advantage of.
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Re: Canadian dispensaries breaking stoner cardinal rule? [Re: 36fuckin5]
#25572205 - 10/27/18 06:46 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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"Health Canada, the federal agency in charge of oversight of the legal cannabis program, says that it allows a certain degree of variance in product weight. Organigram, a licensed producer in New Brunswick, shot back against customer complaints. They reminded customers that over time, cannabis buds lose moisture and dry up. Water is heavy, and evaporation could account for some of the underweight packages people are reporting."
seems reasonable, the one brand i have next to me is 3.68 gr in their eighth ounce, maybe to account for some possible dehydration.
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Re: Canadian dispensaries breaking stoner cardinal rule? [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
#25572210 - 10/27/18 06:48 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well that company is bullshitting. Cannabis packaging is required by law to be sealed to smell and air. There's no way it's drying out in their containers before it gets to the customer. I don't know what variation they allow is but I doubt it's 10-20% of weight which is what many customers have reported being shorted by.
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Re: Canadian dispensaries breaking stoner cardinal rule? [Re: sh4d0ws]
#25572288 - 10/27/18 07:12 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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street weed is up to 50% cheaper than club weed on the west coast usa, but quality is a huge variable. club weed is better quality than street 9/10 times, but clubs also sell cheap shake/popcorn.
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Re: Canadian dispensaries breaking stoner cardinal rule? [Re: split_by_nine]
#25572311 - 10/27/18 07:22 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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thats still pretty lame tho. they always weigh it up in front of you in CA but ive gotten a few bags in NV clubs and they were prepackaged. i guess im guna start weighing up the bud i buy from NV clubs. theres a club in sacramento called RCP that hookd it up fat and always tossed me a little extra after the scale.
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Re: Canadian dispensaries breaking stoner cardinal rule? [Re: sh4d0ws]
#25572360 - 10/27/18 07:37 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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sh4d0ws said:
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Crispy224 said:
So people are bitching about being short less than .2 grams on a 4 gram purchase? That's actually not bad. It's not like being shorted 50% because your dealer quickly hands the weed off out the window of their car. If someone shorts you in the black market they Aren't going to say hey just bring it back for a refund/replacement. Quit bitching you cry babies your buying weed for 1/4 of what people pay in the black market.
Uh, wrong. I don't know what black market you source weed from but marijuana is at least 25-50% cheaper on the black market than the legal market. It's likely going to get cheaper too to compete with legalization. (in Canada)
Also, 0.2 grams x 100 orders adds up. To say it doesn't matter is ridiculous.
I do believe some of these customers could have shitty and or uncalibrated scales, though I wouldn't doubt if there was some miscounting going on. There really is no recourse. All the packaging is sealed and can't be resealed, so anyone can lie and say they're missing some and return it.
Apparently NL is allowing returns, but I think it will just be taken advantage of.
The black market in my area is about $400 an ounce for good bud. And $120-140 for an ounce of swag. So no the black is no where near the price of any legal market. That being said I live in a state where there is no medical marijuana or recreational marijuana. All I'm saying is I wouldn't be complaining about missing .2 of a gram when I'm buying weed for $5 a gram. But I guess that has more to do with my expectations living in a state where possesing marijuana can and does cause people to serve prison sentences,
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Re: Canadian dispensaries breaking stoner cardinal rule? [Re: Crispy224]
#25572500 - 10/27/18 08:23 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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Legal weed is $8-$16 a gram here. Black market $3-$5 .
If you made 200 orders over the course of 2 years you wouldn't be irritated if in that time you were ripped off for 40 grams?
That's like, minimum $300 worth at the legal prices. That isn't cool.
I'm happy people are complaining cause it def ain't right to do that stuff especially with the prices they charge.
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#25572505 - 10/27/18 08:24 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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Also, sorry you live in a state like that. Hopefully in the near future things will change for the better for everyone who wants to use cannabis
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Re: Canadian dispensaries breaking stoner cardinal rule? [Re: Crispy224]
#25572515 - 10/27/18 08:27 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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legal market is $220-420/oz on average in CA and NV. i just got some street bud for $140/oz and it's pretty good
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#25572940 - 10/27/18 11:58 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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This happened in the California medical dispensers at a point... Just stingy mother fuckers selling weed trying to be so on point they rather go under then over. That's what happens when people are focused on profit not product
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#25572963 - 10/28/18 12:11 AM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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This happened in the California medical dispensers at a point... Just stingy mother fuckers selling weed trying to be so on point they rather go under then over. That's what happens when people are focused on profit not product
too true
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#25573157 - 10/28/18 03:03 AM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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ReposadoXochipilli said:
"Health Canada, the federal agency in charge of oversight of the legal cannabis program, says that it allows a certain degree of variance in product weight. Organigram, a licensed producer in New Brunswick, shot back against customer complaints. They reminded customers that over time, cannabis buds lose moisture and dry up. Water is heavy, and evaporation could account for some of the underweight packages people are reporting."
seems reasonable, the one brand i have next to me is 3.68 gr in their eighth ounce, maybe to account for some possible dehydration.
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sh4d0ws said:
Well that company is bullshitting. Cannabis packaging is required by law to be sealed to smell and air. There's no way it's drying out in their containers before it gets to the customer. I don't know what variation they allow is but I doubt it's 10-20% of weight which is what many customers have reported being shorted by.
Even if "sealed" there could still be some loss of moisture depending on the storage conditions. But yeah I was pondering that as well.
Not sure if all dispensaries weigh up product in stores though, so if they are selling pre weighed bud it very well could have lost some weight over time 
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Re: Canadian dispensaries breaking stoner cardinal rule? [Re: musiclover420]
#25573201 - 10/28/18 04:28 AM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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Marijuana is medicine
It'd be like going to the pharmacy and getting 28 pills instead of 30. Or that every time they give you your prescription, a couple pills break apart into powder due to transportation, but yet don't do anything about it.
If their weed is drying out and getting to the customer short. Weigh it over
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#25573262 - 10/28/18 06:20 AM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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Big Worm said:
Marijuana is medicine
It'd be like going to the pharmacy and getting 28 pills instead of 30. Or that every time they give you your prescription, a couple pills break apart into powder due to transportation, but yet don't do anything about it.
If their weed is drying out and getting to the customer short. Weigh it over
If this was medical MJ but it is sold for recreational use. So its more like buying an Oz and realizing its a gram or two short.
But whether its cali or canada, there are good budtenders and not so good budtenders, some use pesticides and get away with it, some are mostly organic. Its what happens without oversight. Its not a perfect system, obviously. None of them are. Nothing really beats the black market IMO and its really not so different, just sold from a storefront and packaged. Its still cannabis
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Re: Canadian dispensaries breaking stoner cardinal rule? [Re: FractalMind]
#25573367 - 10/28/18 07:32 AM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've stopped talking to people over .1 before. Learn how to do math. 28.2 ÷ 8 = 3.52. If you can't understand basic concepts then you shouldn't be selling MEDICINE.
Marijuana dries out and loses weight. I have been smoking and hustling on and off for like twenty years now. Everyone should realize bud dries out and water weighs a lot.
When I used to help a local grower move his bud years ago I would have to take in a big quanitity and then slowly move it. After thirty days a 1000grams of herb can lose 10g in water weight. Specially if not crunchy dry.
An ounce can lose a gram and an eighth can lose a tenth.
If you stop talking to someone over 0.1g of herb you are being petty over something that could be honest mistake.
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Re: Canadian dispensaries breaking stoner cardinal rule? [Re: Ps.NoName]
#25573441 - 10/28/18 08:21 AM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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If it's losing that much weight then don't shelf weighed amounts. It's that simple. It's like my cricket guy. Tell him their crickets are half dead and he says to maybe try coming when they're fresh. What do you say to someone that stupid? "Maybe if you took care of your (product) it wouldn't be a problem." It's the business's responsibility to provide a product.
But seriously? Water weight? How is that an argument? 
Have people ever cured weed? If the weed isn't cured then how the hell are they packaging little plant sponges in a sealed package that's bone dry when you get it? You don't know what you're talking about, to be honest. Regardless of whether or not you've been around weed.
If they sell you an amount you should get at least that. Bottom line. If the same thing happens at the grocery store I could call customer service for that company and probably get a bunch of free shit, simply because it's bad form and they're selling you a product that's not as advertised. That's basic marketing, business-wise and in regard to legality. And we're not talking about some dude, it's a government regulated business. This is a huge problem.
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