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BrendanFlock
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Does the universe think? Or have thoughts? 1
#25569841 - 10/26/18 05:42 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was thinking about this..while studying string theory..
Could we come up with a theory where by which we can see thoughts happen in the laws of physics..kind of like the anthropomorphic principle...that states that the universe is actually conscious...
Then therefore..doesn't it lead to the idea..that if the universe is conscious..that it therefore has thoughts...?
And if it has thoughts..could we with instruments detect them?
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Re: Does the universe think? Or have thoughts? [Re: BrendanFlock] 1
#25569872 - 10/26/18 06:08 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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The universe has pathways of composition, growth, and connectedness and connectivity inherent in it. Like the linking of thoughts in logical sequences, the world is logically ordered in some dimensions. You are an inseparable part of this network. In a sense, you are like the thoughts of the universe. The universe thinks you, and you think and reflect on the universe. Thus your thoughts are like second-order thoughts of the universe. If you are asking whether somewhere the universe has third-order thoughts whereby it reflects on all of creation from some point outside, beyond, or above us mere mortals, that is a question I do not have the answer to. In my humble opinion the universe can easily be said to be divine even if there is no third-order intelligence perceiving and thinking about the whole as a whole, but it does seem that the question of whether any sort of thinking or perceiving is going on from that level is the question of whether we can attribute personhood to the universe or to God. I mean, it's not impossible. We know from quantum physics that much of the universe cannot be observed, and that its most fundamental core is essentially unknowable, and we know that self-perceiving systems of organization are possible because, well, we are such things. If a self-perceiving and reflecting being can be actualized on this plane of existence, why couldn't such a thing be possible on a higher level? Maybe this universe IS the mind of some illimitable or divine being. I mean, we know that not only are space and time relative, but that there seems to be some reality outside of space-time altogether (because of the implications of the observer phenomenon, jungian unconscious, etc).
Thus there does seem to be a "higher" order beyond what we really consider to be the totality of being. Who knows what this thing is? Our concepts break down. It defies the very categories of understanding that have grown out of this level of existence. Whatever we might say of it, its eternal nature is such that it demands not only the recognition that it can't be fully understood, but that it is, in the most real sense of the term, awesome.
-------------------- "Every actual State is corrupt. Good men must not obey laws too well" - Ralph Waldo Emerson "If I am the devil's child, I will live then, by the devil" - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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BrendanFlock
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Re: Does the universe think? Or have thoughts? [Re: ReynardTheFox]
#25570252 - 10/26/18 09:10 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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So I'm the universe in thinking motion? A thought of itself..or a partial reflection as a man..and a time..to stand on more than whats oppourtune.
I really believe that people can be connected in mind and potency,...but the idea that we are not separate from each other is really bogus..
we are the ones controlling our actions.. for example..
when a being exists..it has freewill..and that is the loneliest cage of all...because we are in total determination..unfree..because we must be here...But what would we be spending our time with if we were not free? Or what would we be doing if we were free? We have to build up to the final limit of freedom as individuals..
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Re: Does the universe think? Or have thoughts? [Re: BrendanFlock]
#25570319 - 10/26/18 09:50 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I tend to think of the universe as more mind-like than matter-like. Consequently it is my belief that Nature is a conscious process, and that, for example, an individual is more like an ephemeral thought in infinity than a mere collection of molecules. No extant instrument can verify this, of course.
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Re: Does the universe think? Or have thoughts? [Re: DividedQuantum]
#25579797 - 10/30/18 08:36 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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The simple and conclusive answer is no.
The universe does not think, as thinking is a human definition for processes ocurring in the brains using neurons and related parts.
You may argue, isn't everything electric? That could be the case, this is why define stuff...
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Re: Does the universe think? Or have thoughts? [Re: DualWieldRake]
#25580739 - 10/31/18 05:35 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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if the universe did have thoughts, do you think those thoughts would be anything like ours?

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You've seen the analogies before: how atoms are like solar systems, how the large-scale structure of the Universe are like neurons in a human brain, and how there's the interesting coincidence that the number of stars in a galaxy, galaxies in the Universe, atoms in a cell, and cells in a living being are all approximately the same large (10^11 to 10^14) number.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2016/01/23/ask-ethan-is-the-universe-itself-alive/#2e137fa331bb
there's no such thing as coincidence in the universe.
also, one time when conversing with Deep Thought, it told me that my thoughts/understanding/consciousness are that of an ant, and Deep Thought was trying to explain to me how the battleship of itself works, and told me that because I was just an ant, just to consider the size of the battleship, and that i would never be able to have perspective on it while still ever being an ant.
Edited by thealienthatategod (10/31/18 06:20 AM)
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