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MadGrower420
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*Retitled: A noobs mistake and maybe his comeback... All tips, advice and wisdom are welcomed! 1
#25564673 - 10/24/18 08:46 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Spawned this tub(unmodified) on the 13th, using about a 1:4-5 spawn to sub ratio. Spawn is one, 1lb pre made rye bag, nocc'd up using a MS syringe(Variety of GT). Sub is coir, 2cups of verm and the grounds from the last pot of coffee. A slight spin on the bucketTEK(I know, I will never do this again).

So I made way to much sub and only used a minimal amount of it for this tub(32qt). Used some to do another small tub and tossed most of it in the yard.

All that out the way, tossed some sub in, dumped the spawn and mixed it well. Leveled and slightly tamped it making sure to pay attention to the sides.



Got it setup under a desk with a 6500k light on a 12/12 cycle, lid flipped(not misting). I'm cracking the lid a bit at night when I see condensation build up on the walls, letting it breath a bit.

Here we are 11 days in, I'm thinking I would be seeing more stronger, faster growth had I used more spawn. I guess that's pretty obvious
My question is, the TEK calls for only lid adjustments until first flush(no misting) It also calls for alot more bulk. I'm thinking my tub is a bit dry, due to my ratio and the time it's taking for this thing to fully colonize. Does this look like a dry tub, or does it look like I should just sit back, chill and let the shrooms show up when they're ready? I would love any and all opinions/eyes from more experienced growers. Thanks in advance, I sincerely appreciate it!
Here are the latest pics, tub was flipped around, for the pic. Left it that way, I noticed one side seemed to be doing better than the other.


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Re: 11 days in... Would love some feedback on my first tub. [Re: MadGrower420]
#25564694 - 10/24/18 08:54 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Looks to me like its doing mighty fine thus far. Look for beads of water on the surface of the substrate to indicate moisture content. Did you check for field capacity before spawning to bulk?
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Re: 11 days in... Would love some feedback on my first tub. [Re: gizmodo]
#25564730 - 10/24/18 09:05 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Looks fine to me also. The only thing I would suggest is to put a layer of pure sub on top of the sub spawn mixture next time. This will give you more fruiting area (wont fruit from a grain) and less chance of contamination.
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Re: 11 days in... Would love some feedback on my first tub. [Re: MadGrower420] 1
#25564836 - 10/24/18 09:46 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Looking good but a bit a dry in my opinion, I'd say give the tub a light misting.
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MadGrower420
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Re: 11 days in... Would love some feedback on my first tub. [Re: gizmodo]
#25564900 - 10/24/18 10:19 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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gizmodo said: Looks to me like its doing mighty fine thus far. Look for beads of water on the surface of the substrate to indicate moisture content. Did you check for field capacity before spawning to bulk?

Sounds good. Yep, sure did. I think I nailed field capacity on the batch of sub. I've got another one going, small one tubbed a few days ago with the same sub.
That one is looking mighty fine(will upload a pic here in a sec).

I do notice the smaller tub seems to have alot more moisture than the bigger tub(having to let it breathe more than the larger). This could be the size of the tub or the fact that I used about a 1:1 ratio and my spawn was a BRF cake,
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SHROOMSISAY01 said: Looks fine to me also. The only thing I would suggest is to put a layer of pure sub on top of the sub spawn mixture next time. This will give you more fruiting area (wont fruit from a grain) and less chance of contamination.
I did put a top layer on the small one.
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Timehole said: Looking good but a bit a dry in my opinion, I'd say give the tub a light misting.
Kinda scared to get it too wet before I see fruits coming in. I still need to get a decent sprayer, the one I have would prolly beat the mycelium. That's one of the things on my list to get for sure.
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Edited by MadGrower420 (10/24/18 10:29 PM)
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Re: 11 days in... Would love some feedback on my first tub. [Re: MadGrower420]
#25564915 - 10/24/18 10:24 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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It looks like mold in the bottom right corner on the last pic?? Where its not colonizing as well. Might be the pic but on pretty sure there is green/greyish spots of mold when I zoom in...
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Edited by Apc123 (10/24/18 10:25 PM)
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MadGrower420
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Re: 11 days in... Would love some feedback on my first tub. [Re: Apc123]
#25564947 - 10/24/18 10:36 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Apc123 said: It looks like mold in the bottom right corner on the last pic?? Where its not colonizing as well. Might be the pic but on pretty sure there is green/greyish spots of mold when I zoom in...
Let's hope not, I think that is more or less dark spots from the grains. I guess time will tell.
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Re: 11 days in... Would love some feedback on my first tub. [Re: MadGrower420]
#25564964 - 10/24/18 10:44 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yiu never said that you properly pasteurised the substrate? I'm thinking since since you put in coffee grounds? What exactly was your variation of the bucket Tek?
Substrate looms a bit on the dry side if would hurt with a light misting. Sounds risky if you didn't do a proper pasteurisation..
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Re: 11 days in... Would love some feedback on my first tub. [Re: Mateja]
#25565150 - 10/25/18 12:40 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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You might have issues with FAE, later on, just watch for tall skinny mushrooms. Also the longer colonization time is to be expected because of the law spawn to sub ratio, but as long as it beats any contaminates you'll be growing in no time.
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Re: 11 days in... Would love some feedback on my first tub. [Re: WhiteVeil]
#25565166 - 10/25/18 12:54 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I see a lot of paper mugs with half a coffee in them forgotten about here and there at my workplace and they ALL have the green in them. Probably takes a day or two. Coffees that are left over the weekend have big colonies on the surface. As I stated before if he put spent coffee grounds without a proper pasteurisation then FAE will be the least of his problems.
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Re: 11 days in... Would love some feedback on my first tub. [Re: Apc123]
#25565168 - 10/25/18 12:56 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Apc123 said: It looks like mold in the bottom right corner on the last pic?? Where its not colonizing as well. Might be the pic but on pretty sure there is green/greyish spots of mold when I zoom in...
I was thinking the same thing. Hard to tell tho.
Definitely dry. There is knotting but they need moisture. You don't need some fancy mister. Just a spray bottle.
I use these..

I actually prefer the larger one. I also have the regular handheld HDX sprayers too. They're less than $2 es.
Don't be scared. Water them.
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MadGrower420
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Re: 11 days in... Would love some feedback on my first tub. [Re: Mateja]
#25565526 - 10/25/18 06:16 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mateah said: Yiu never said that you properly pasteurised the substrate? I'm thinking since since you put in coffee grounds? What exactly was your variation of the bucket Tek?
Substrate looms a bit on the dry side if would hurt with a light misting. Sounds risky if you didn't do a proper pasteurisation..
I followed BOD's easy AF bucket TEK. I did pasteurize the coir. The verm and old grounds(one pots worth) were added within the hour after pouring boiling water over the coir.
I've read of people using coffee. I was mixing it up and thought, I will add some verm for some water retention. After that, I started thinking, man I love coffee maybe my mushrooms will too... should've stopped at the verm. It is a very minimal amount that's in that tub tho.
Really hoping this tub pulls thru. After this, I will not deviate from proven TEK's at all until I can get consistent results.
If it is mold, I really hope the mycelium beats it out.
Might give it a mist tonight, just in the dryer area's. Just dont want a wet sub, I've read dryer is better than wetter. I definitely see some spots I would think need a bit of moisture, I'm still green and dont wanna fuck anything up(should've thought about that when adding the coffee...lol).
Thanks for everyone's opinion and advice!!
I invite all mush parents to give an opinion, I'm new and still learning. Very excited to start the journey myself!
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Edited by MadGrower420 (10/25/18 06:20 AM)
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Re: 11 days in... Would love some feedback on my first tub. [Re: MadGrower420]
#25565794 - 10/25/18 08:48 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Love it!
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Re: 11 days in... Would love some feedback on my first tub. [Re: MadGrower420]
#25566406 - 10/25/18 12:23 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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So you didn't pasterutize the coffee grounds, bad idea. Good luck to you hope you get something out of the grow.
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Edited by Mateja (10/25/18 12:34 PM)
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MadGrower420
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Re: 11 days in... Would love some feedback on my first tub. [Re: Mateja]
#25566457 - 10/25/18 12:48 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mateah said: So you didn't pasterutize the coffee grounds, bad idea. Good luck to you hope you get something out of the grow.
Incorrect, I did. I added 2 cups of verm, 2 cups of smoking hot water and the grounds very shortly after adding the boiling water to my cooler of coir.
Either way, no more coffee for my lil shroomies...lol
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Re: 11 days in... Would love some feedback on my first tub. [Re: MadGrower420]
#25566583 - 10/25/18 01:45 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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MadGrower420 said:
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Mateah said: So you didn't pasterutize the coffee grounds, bad idea. Good luck to you hope you get something out of the grow.
Incorrect, I did. I added 2 cups of verm, 2 cups of smoking hot water and the grounds very shortly after adding the boiling water to my cooler of coir.
Either way, no more coffee for my lil shroomies...lol
Incorrect! You did not! What you did is not PROPER PASTUERIZATION!!!
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Re: 11 days in... Would love some feedback on my first tub. [Re: LotKid]
#25566688 - 10/25/18 02:41 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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LotKid said:
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MadGrower420 said:
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Mateah said: So you didn't pasterutize the coffee grounds, bad idea. Good luck to you hope you get something out of the grow.
Incorrect, I did. I added 2 cups of verm, 2 cups of smoking hot water and the grounds very shortly after adding the boiling water to my cooler of coir.
Either way, no more coffee for my lil shroomies...lol
Incorrect! You did not! What you did is not PROPER PASTUERIZATION!!!
 Please explain to me where I went wrong with proper pasteurization. I figured since it all went in the cooler with the temps still high as hell from the boiling water I had just poured on the coir.
Am I wrong for thinking that?
Wilkapedia: Pasteurization or pasteurisation is a process in which certain packaged and non-packaged foods (such as milk and fruit juice) are treated with mild heat, usually less than 100 °C (212 °F), to eliminate pathogens and extend shelf life. The process is intended to sterilize foods by destroying or inactivating organisms that contribute to spoilage, including vegetative bacteria but not bacterial spores.[1][2]
Please enlighten me.
This is the temp of "smoking hot water" from my tap.

I didn't think this would bring temps way down in my cooler, was still hot as hell.
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Edited by MadGrower420 (10/25/18 03:10 PM)
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Re: 11 days in... Would love some feedback on my first tub. [Re: MadGrower420]
#25566781 - 10/25/18 03:27 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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So what we're the exact temps of the substrate before and after the bucket? You must know this if you did a proper pasteurisation. This is not something you just wing by noting that "it was still hot as hell"
I'm just letting you know so you can make it better in the future. Pasteurisation is an exact science, its not what you did. But it's fine you will learn from this!
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MadGrower420
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Re: 11 days in... Would love some feedback on my first tub. [Re: Mateja]
#25566816 - 10/25/18 03:41 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mateah said: So what we're the exact temps of the substrate before and after the bucket? You must know this if you did a proper pasteurisation. This is not something you just wing by noting that "it was still hot as hell"
I'm just letting you know so you can make it better in the future. Pasteurisation is an exact science, its not what you did. But it's fine you will learn from this!
No idea...lol I see what you're saying.
I did not take temps before and after. I didn't think it was an exact science when it came to the substrate being used for my mushrooms.
I guess I need to do some more research on proper pasteurization for my sub. Right on, I will definitely learn from this. Come back stronger the next go round.
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Edited by MadGrower420 (10/25/18 04:23 PM)
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Re: 11 days in... Would love some feedback on my first tub. [Re: MadGrower420]
#25567011 - 10/25/18 05:09 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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For just coir and verm you don't need to pasteurise you can just 'bucket' it but the coffee is the one that needs proper pasteurisation
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