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Tip: Drugs to Avoid
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DXM is bad. I used it too much and feel like a part of my mind was lost :frown:
The last few times i tried it i got sick afterwards, like a fever and body pains :*(

I wont ever do it again

LSA seeds have a really hard FRY/ burn-out. Be careful with a big dose


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: CerebralFlower]
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Leave the Nutmeg alone too! :eek:


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: entheoindole]
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Nutmeg does sound like it sucks, I think I'll need to seriously run out of anything else before I turn to that!

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: jamboUK]
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Dramamine, one of the worst feelings I've ever had in my life.  NEVER do this, if you can even manage to stay awake long enough to see hallucinations it's not fun, it's scary actualy.  Also avoid doing e too many times unless you want a swiss cheese brain, but a few times is always good :smile:

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Tokabol]
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Tokabol said: Also avoid doing e too many times unless you want a swiss cheese brain, but a few times is always good :smile:


You've gotta talk to peter jennings... Turns out the holes in your brain thing was propaganda. Who would've guessed?! Our government falsifying scientific studies...nahhh. Not our government.  :grin:


A question about dxm burnout.. Are you recomending completely staying away from it, or just not doing it more then 50 times or so? Also, what kind of amounts of powder were you taking?

I feel burnt, but its not just the dxm, thats for sure.


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: iloveraving]
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What? US government falsifying something ?!  :eek:

Never happened since this dude of course:

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: CerebralFlower]
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datura
pcp
meth
inhalents (cept nitrous)


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. [Re: CerebralFlower]
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Edited by Yrtlzmo (02/03/13 12:17 PM)

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Yrtlzmo]
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Crack cocaine's a good one to avoid. Although having said that, after your first taste, it's surprisingly addictive. People just keep coming back for more. Maybe an acquired taste?

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: jamboUK]
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I hate nutmeg.

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: kgro]
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Yep, I overdid it with DXM 2 summers ago.. and I lost something... but it's hard to tell what since it's gone.  I'm still just as intelligent as I was before, but there is something very different that is hard to put my finger on.  I think it fucked with my emotions, I feel kind of like a zombie at times, like I am empty.  The same way it feels when you're tripping on that shit.  #1 Big Mistake - DO NOT order mass quantities of DXM powder!  You're just asking to go on a tripathon... and with DXM, unlike traditional pychedelics, it's extremely unforgiving. 

At the time when I was abusing it, I was completely fried and my friends all noticed that I was fuckin' retarded for a span of like 2 weeks... I had like 5 phrases in my vocabulary, it was sad.  :frown:  It took me like a year to return to normal after that, and now I feel fine pretty much, but I know know I will never be the same as I was before doing it.

Stay away from doing DXM a lot.  :shake:


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: CerebralFlower]
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HBWR :nonono:

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Galvie_Flu]
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Coricidin
:noway:

And nutmeg


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Ravus]
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i am agreeing with everyone so far except for the nutmeg and dxm... in light doses, these drugs can be fun, because once you dose thats all you need for the night, and you dont have to dose much to just have some fun... about 250mg dxm is fun... along with about 1/4 ounce nutmeg, this too can be a fun night...

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Tremor1127]
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mushrooms, by the sounds of some peoples posts


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: CerebralFlower]
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Hum...datura, dramamine and the major recreational stimulants (amphetamines, coke etc) too... The first two have shitty effects most of the time, and give you hallucinations ...And the amphet's well the effects are just too pleasant, kind of stealing all the joy and happiness youd be supposed to get in the few next days and fitting em in 6 hours :tongue:

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: CerebralFlower]
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anything but weed, shrooms, lsd


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: baraka]
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damn, thats a narrow list!  no beer with your buddies on the weekend?  No other entheogens, eg. San Pedro?  Not even a lil' crack to get you going in the mornings? :wink: :sun:


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: CerebralFlower]
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Any sort of amphetamines.
I can't even stand caffiene nowadays because it is slightly reminiscent of amphetamines.


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: CerebralFlower]
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Redrock is never, and will never be a drug, stop wasting the money people!


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: the free thinker]
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if i ever try dxm again, it will be in powder form. drinking a bottle of cough syrup gave me the worst shits of my life

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: chodamunky]
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ive never really had that problem, but powder is the way to go nonetheless...

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Tremor1127]
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hehe, just a warning for anyone new to dxm, don't get the cough syrup with 'sorbitol' as a sweetener. it is also a mild laxative, and it works splendidly after downing a bottle  :thumbup:

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: chodamunky]
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yeah, anyone new should get one with strictly dxm though for least amount of side effects... there are still a few side effects from a bottle with dxm alone but nothing unbareable...

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: SHiZNO]
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SHiZNO said:
mushrooms, by the sounds of some peoples posts




This is a mushroom forum.  Just thought I'd clear that up for you. :yesnod:


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: SHiZNO]
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yeah, dont talk bad about mushrooms on this site... you will be banned and a mod will personally come spank you...

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Tremor1127]
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Tremor1127 said:
yeah, anyone new should get one with strictly dxm though for least amount of side effects... there are still a few side effects from a bottle with dxm alone but nothing unbareable...


If you are doing any drug for the first time you should research it on erowid. I have never done dxm and don't plan on doing it anytime soon but I have read plenty about it because I like to know what I put into my body. You can never know too much about entheogens if you are taking them.

For DXM get a bottle of Robo WITHOUT guaifenesin. I believe it is an expectorant and will make you puke. Robitussin Maximum Strength is what you want to get.

HERE is a list of DXM containing products from erowid.


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Tremor1127]
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Tremor1127 said:
yeah, dont talk bad about mushrooms on this site...  you will be banned and a mod will personally come spank you...


haha  :lol:

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: chodamunky]
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Agreed, if/when I ever do DXM again, it will definitely be in powder form... my rug has a nice big pink stain where the bag I was puking cough syrup into leaked.
Hope they don't notice that when I move out. :lol:


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: CerebralFlower]
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Avoid:

Heroin
Coke
DXM
Nitrious
Extacy
LSD/ACID
Meth
Salvia
And some other ones, but those are the major ones that can fuck up your life pretty bad.


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Hallucinogen]
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Nitrous? Ecstacy? LSD?

I don't agree.


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Dankman]
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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Hallucinogen]
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Quote:
Nitrious
Extacy
LSD/ACID
Meth
Salvia




Quote:
Nitrious kills your brain cells faster then you can fart.
Extasy is not dangerous but surley isnt healthy.
LSD just like Acid fucks up your back, which I dont think is worth it.
But I guess Extasy is alot "safer" then the rest.




No offense, but you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Your name is Hallucinogen, but it seems like you are against the use of most hallucinogens? What the hell? Also, you seem to think LSD and Acid are too different drugs? Man... you need to do some research. Out of those 3 drugs in the above quote, Ecstacy is the MOST dangerous, fool. It is the only one of those which is neurotoxic as well, as in, has the potential to cause brain damage. I know many people who have taken too much acid, and those people are, at worst, a little weird. The people I know who have taken too much Ecstasy are flat-out stupid. Not trying to make a generalization, but just stating what I have observed.

As for nitrous... I've done more whippets in my life than I could ever count, as long as you take a sufficient dose of vitamins every morning, you will be fine. I take vitamine B12 complex (Nitrous depletes B Vitamins), a multivitamin, and Vitamin E. Just take care of yourself man. It is relatively safe, after all they use it medically.


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Hallucinogen]
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Hallucinogen said:
Nitrious kills your brain cells faster then you can fart.
Extasy is not dangerous but surley isnt healthy.
LSD just like Acid fucks up your back, which I dont think is worth it.
But I guess Extasy is alot "safer" then the rest.


*Nitrous* is used by dentists.  Medical professionals.

MDMA isn't what is harmful, it is the chemicals it is cut with some of the time.

LSD fucks up your back?  Are people like Chinacat crippled?

Erowid is your friend. :yesnod:


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Dankman]
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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Hallucinogen]
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how can someone phisically write shit like that?

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Hallucinogen]
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I want proof.


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Dankman]
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Dankman said:
I want proof.


About what ?


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Hallucinogen]
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Whatever.. ignore him, I know it's bullshit and you guys do too. So there's not really any point in getting worked up over it.


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Hallucinogen]
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Everything you have said. How do dentists use it differently? They mix it with oxygen. If you use a balloon there is no difference. Where did you hear that you lose "500 brain cells" every time you use it? I want proof that lsd messes with your spine from a reputable source like erowid.

I am still unsure if you are trolling or not. This site is here to help stop the spread of misinformation.


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: the free thinker]
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the free thinker said:
Whatever.. ignore him, I know it's bullshit and you guys do too. So there's not really any point in getting worked up over it.



You are right....

Do the mods read this crap? Shouldn't you do something about the misinformation he is posting? Some people might believe him.


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Dankman]
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Dankman said:
I want proof that lsd messes with your spine from a reputable source like erowid.


As good of a site as Erowid is, it is quite obviously heavily-slanted towards pro-drug use, and it cannot really be considered fair evidence. I have seen many things on Erowid which I strongly disagree with, as have many others.


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Dankman]
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Whatever, you guys think you know it all but you dont.
I listed the drugs that are on my "avoid" list, dont like it dont read it, but dont get your panties in a bunch. :rolleyes:


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: CerebralFlower]
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nicotene


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Dankman]
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And if you think Erowid knows it all, and your going by what "he" says, then you shouldnt be taking any drugs.
Erowid got good information but certanly not all of it, learn your shit before you try to look like you know it all, because you obvisouly dont.
Anyways Im not here to fight or argue, think whatever you want.

And its funny how someone rated me because we see things diffrently :rolleyes:


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Hallucinogen]
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That's true; Everyone has drugs that for some reason or another they feel they should avoid. I know I do. Mostly the ones other people have mentioned. My personal list is:

Meth
Heroin
Cocaine
RC's
Inhalants (like gas and stuff you find under the sink or something)

I think people were just taken aback by your claim that LSD causes spinal problems...which I personally don't believe it does.


Anyway,


*me*

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: MOTH]
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Quote:
EllemyshShade said:
That's true;  Everyone has drugs that for some reason or another they feel they should avoid.  I know I do.  Mostly the ones other people have mentioned.




God bless you  :thumbup:
About acid I said what I said because I witnessed it with my own eyes, I known the guy for 16 years!


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Hallucinogen]
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Hallucinogen said:
Whatever, you guys think you know it all but you dont.
I listed the drugs that are on my "avoid" list, dont like it dont read it, but dont get your panties in a bunch. :rolleyes:


dude, its just that you are spreading information that isnt true, not that we "think we know it all"...  there is no point in arguing about something isnt true...  your bud is in a wheelchair for one of the thousands of reasons people get into wheelchairs everyday...  not because he did a little lsd...  and as far as i know, nitrous is in no way harmful, much less kills 500 brain cells...  but oh well, what do we know...

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: MOTH]
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nicotene godammit. shut up n quit fighting you know know nicotene is the worst! its most addictive and dont even fuck you up. what a rip off >:(


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Tremor1127]
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Allright, lets all chill out, we have diffrent views and lets leave it at that.
But I dont think I had to be rated low for that, thats just ... lame, your not going to agree with everyone so what are you going to rate every person ?

EDIT: about my bud, he was healthy as a horse, but then he overdid acid, and right now he looks like a fucking grandpa.


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: MollyDolly]
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Yeah...I forgot to say nicotene.

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Hallucinogen]
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ill give you a good rating for having big boobs in yer avatr mwuhahhaa. evrything is okies now yah?
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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Hallucinogen]
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hey i could have been an ass and rated you bad... but i didnt, i rated you right in between because it is just that were not seeing eye to eye, but its only because you are spreading false information... but i dont feel like arguing over the internet anymore than i have to... dont expect that rating to stay that way either...

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Tremor1127]
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Its all good, not everyone will agree about everything, I just stated from my personal experience, maybe his one in a million that shit like that happend to him, but it did happen.
Ive taken acid, and nothing like that happend to me, but after what happend to him I just stopped.


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Hallucinogen]
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boobs


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: MollyDolly]
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MollyDolly said:
boobs


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: MOTH]
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:laugh:


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: MollyDolly]
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I edited some of my posts to make some of you feel better :P


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Hallucinogen]
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boobs.


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Hallucinogen]
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I'm very sorry to tell you this Hallucinogen, LSD does NOT cause spinal damage.  You friend is definitely not in a wheelchair for that reason.  It doesn't even accumulate in your spinal cord.  Your friend is bs'ing you.  I did a quick Google search and found many sources showing that LSD spinal fluid accumulation, and/or spinal damage are urban legends and have no scientific backing.  Please do not post further misinformation (unless you are willing to find sources to back your statements).  Furthermore....boobs.  :spliff:


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: MollyDolly]
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MollyDolly said:
boobs.


Yea boobs rule, especially 32D-36D  :heartpump:


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: bert]
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yeah i even read on sites where they give bs reasons to keep people off drugs and they dont even list spinal problems... nor the loss of brain cells from nitrous... but all this information has been helpful and im glad there isnt a war in here...

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Tremor1127]
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Like I said, If I misinformed about lsd I apologize, I just said what I said from what I witnessed.
And I deleted my posts with the LSD info, untill I can prove it from a relible source, misinformation wasnt my intention.
I have no problems admiting I was wrong when I was wrong.


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Hallucinogen]
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thanks... +1...

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Hallucinogen]
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What may be fair is to look at what else was going on in your friend's life.


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: valour]
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Nothing, he was just dropping acid every weekend for like 8 years, he never smoked, drinked or did any other drugs.
Thats why I was so positive that acid did that.


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Tremor1127]
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Tremor1127 said:
Hallucinogen said:
nitrous is in no way harmful, much less kills 500 brain cells... but oh well, what do we know...


Well, I don't really think nitrous is very harmful, but I don't beleive that it doesnt kill any braincells. ANYthing that gets you fucked up, I have to beleive is at least killing some amount of braincells. But it's so minimal that I don't really care.


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Hallucinogen]
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> Avoid:

I think avoid should be a personal choice, not something forced upon others. That being said, this is what I think of your list (for myself):

> Heroin

I would widen this to any opiate. I have tried many of them, and none of them get along with me, which is fine. I have seen too many lives destroyed by opiate addiction.

> Coke

If it is there, I will do it, but it isn't something I look for or use on a regular basis. I hate the sinus problems that it creates. Many lives destroyed by this substance as well.

> DXM

I would widen this to any dissociative. (I haven't tried K, so I can't really speak for it). PCP isn't bad if you are very careful with it, other than the aweful smell... if you get too much though... watch out. In general, I avoid these. I don't get along with DXM at all and avoid it like the plague.

> Nitrious (sic)

This is one of the safer substances out there. Biggest risk is suffocation unless you are a long term user.

> Extacy

I personally find nothing wrong when taking this in moderation, once in a while. Again, this is one that I will do if it is around, but I don't go looking for it.

> LSD/ACID

Of all the substances listed, this is probably the safest one from a toxicology standpoint. It is nearly impossible to OD on LSD. Almost everything bad you hear about LSD is a government sponsored myth. (Yep, they lie to us!) There is no poison in acid, it doesn't cause brain bubbles, it doesn't cause spinal damage, it doesn't hang out in your spinal fluid forever, you don't get flashbacks when you crack you back, etc etc etc.

> Meth

I prefer meth over coke, but again, I wouldn't recommend this for others (nor would I deny it to others). I have seen many lives destroyed by meth. Doing a little bump every once in a while is no big deal... getting hooked and teaking out is pretty bad.

> Salvia

Obviously you haven't tried it. I would guess that 9 out of 10 people that try this don't like it. It gets a lot of bad press because people claim it is a substitute for cannabis. It isn't... they aren't even close (other than both being green and smoked). I haven't heard of anybody getting adicted to salvia or having an OD. I would put this one up there with nitrous for being safe... though nitrous is a lot more fun.


Remember, any substance which is abused can be dangerous. Everybody is different and what one person can handle can destroy the next.


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Seuss]
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Seuss :thumbup:
And like we all said, its a matter of prefrence, some might like that, some might not, so not always we all will agree.


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Hallucinogen]
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avoid listerine. it fucks you up.

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: CerebralFlower]
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weed make lazy

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: tragicrushmooms]
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so?

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: tragicrushmooms]
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tragicrushmooms said:
weed make lazy


I'm lazy already, might as well be stoned too :wexican:


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: tragicrushmooms]
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Boobies.



Man make that ur avitar ur wallpaper tiled.. its awsome

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Legoulash]
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n2o does not kil any more brain cells han holding your brewth for the same amount of time u inhail it
it is personaly one of my favorite drugs :laugh:
mixing it with lsd ormushrooms is a pure joy

o and wen i did do dxm the only way to make it fun was to mix in a little n2o :grin:


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Seuss]
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Seuss said:
> LSD/ACID

Of all the substances listed, this is probably the safest one from a toxicology standpoint. It is nearly impossible to OD on LSD.


This depends on context. If you had two bags full of powder, one was LSD and the other was Ketamine, I guarantee you it'd be far safer to take half a gram of ketamine orally, then half a gram of LSD orally.

IMO, one drug to avoid would be chloroform.

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Phencyclidine]
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It all comes down to a matter of personal prefrence, not everyone will always agree.


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Phencyclidine]
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Lets get back to talking about boobs


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: whiterabbit13]
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:lol:


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Ravus]
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whats wrong with coricidin? my friend took 70 at one time and hes doin alright. but he also does it alot. i havent actually tried it, and one of my other friends wants to try dramamine. is there anythign else better than those that i'd be able to steal from a store? if not, my friend knows some guy who makes an eigth of shrooms into chocolates. but i dont have any money right now..

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Ravus]
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whats wrong with coricidin? my friend took 70 at one time and he seems fine, but he does do it all the time. but hey, one of my other friends wants to get some dramamine, which would you prefer, dramamine or coricidin for a first time. or is there anything else better (that i can steal from a store). my money is goin towards a kegger next weekend and an eighth of shrooms (in a chocolate bar).

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: cformaldehyde]
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What's wrong with Coricidin is that it contains an antihistamine called chlorpheniramine in it. This makes using DXM more dangerous. People have gone into comas from as few as five Coricidin pills. Round DXM websites we call Coricidin users "coro tards." Go to www.dextroverse.org for more information.

Just because you know one person who has survived using it doesn't mean it's safe. Sheesh.

Dramamine (dimenhydrinate) is also dangerous like chlorpheniramine.

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: cformaldehyde]
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dont give out bad information.... 70 coricidin would kill basically anyone..... consider this warning #1


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Phencyclidine]
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oops posted that twice i didnt see the other pages. well alright, im just new into this stuff, the most of anything ive had was just weed. and eager to try more, but dont want anything serious to happen. thanks

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Phencyclidine]
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Dramamine is bad stuff, stay away at all costs. I tried it once I think I had 10 pills or so because I listened to some dumbass who thought he knew what he was talking about. Well I didn't trip at all, I prob just poisoned myself/killed braincells. All that happened was I felt I was going to die and I had to go piss every 10 minutes for an entire night. I got no sleep and I actually urinated so much that my skin like my hands got all wrinkley like you know when you get out of the shower or a pool for a while and you are all wrinkly well ya my hands were all fucked up and I felt like I was dying. Oh ya don't do dxm either that is bad shit too it will rot your brain its a dissassociative kinda like pcp. It makes your brain fire like crazy until your neurons just burn out. I have done it several times but the last time I did it I did trip however I woke up in the middle of the night with horrible pains in my abdomine like my liver started to fail which is entirely possible since I consumed a ridiculous amount of cough syrup with all kinds of shit like tylenol in it. What it comes down to is you can do it if you want to however it is proven to cause long-term brain damage and you gotta look at it in the big picture, do you want to have brain damage where you wont function normally for the rest of your life just for a couple fun times. I realized it is def. not worth it since my brain is the most important thing I have in life and dxm does real damage to it not like weed or other stuff it really does bad things to you. It's not worth it man if you wanna trip stick to mushrooms or acid, things that don't damage your body or mind.

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: relativexistance]
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Quote:
Oh ya don't do dxm either that is bad shit too it will rot your brain its a dissassociative kinda like pcp.



Quote:
I woke up in the middle of the night with horrible pains in my abdomine like my liver started to fail which is entirely possible since I consumed a ridiculous amount of cough syrup with all kinds of shit like tylenol in it.



Sounds like your problem was not DXM but that you chose to use DXM in a syrup mixture with other drugs. This was a foolish action on your part and not the fault of DXM.

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It's not worth it man if you wanna trip stick to mushrooms or acid, things that don't damage your body or mind.



Mushrooms or acid can certainly "damage" your "mind". Not your brain, perhaps, but your mind, yes. As for DXM causing physical damage, the evidence is not there.

Use your drugs intelligently.

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Viveka]
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Yes it was a foolish action on my part, however not only did I get liver pains, but my brain felt numb for the entire next day. It really freaked me out, I felt stupid and as if I had damaged my brain. However there is evidence of people using it and having long-term learning disabilities. Do you really think it does no damage? Well it is not proven in stone yet but there is evidence that it causes damage and I think that its something to consider. Here are some links to papers on it.


http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/dxm_health1.shtml
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/dxm_health2.shtml

Quote from one of the articles
"Whether one interprets synchronicities and deep insights as "delusions" or "Truth" is, ultimately, a matter of faith not one of logic or evidence, and I'm certainly not going to take a final position on epistemological imponderables. The yardstick for sanity is simply functionality: if you find yourself standing in the middle of the street naked, yelling about the coming apocalypse, the police are not likely to look upon the matter kindly, even [or especially] if you really are a "prophet" of God.)

In addition, regular use of NMDA-dissociatives can complicate academic and professional work and pose serious difficulties for relationships with family, significant others, and friends. Suffice it to say that regular use of these drugs puts a severe strain on one's social interactions. It is hard to be friends with an alien anthropologist, let alone wake up next to one every morning.

NAN is one of several possible explanations for the medium and long term negative consequences of heavy dissociative use. It may be that none of the proposed mechanisms are the cause of the problems reported. The evidence in favor of NAN as the mechanism is equivocal and it is important not to jump to conclusions and foreclose a complete inquiry into the issue.

All of this has been a very long way of saying: the bad news isn't in, we still don't know, and users need to be careful whether or not these chemicals cause Olney's Lesions."

I just don't think it is even worth the risk to use something that may or may not cause lesions on your brain. If there was some hard evidence proving that it doesn't cause problems then maybe I would consider it, but for no the evidence suggesting that it could cause problems is more than enough for me to not use it even despite it not being proven.

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: relativexistance]
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relativexistance said:
However there is evidence of people using it and having long-term learning disabilities.


Can you provide us with that evidence?

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Phencyclidine]
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Can you provide evidence that it doesn't cause longterm disabilities? Well I don't have any scientific evidence from clincal studies but there are plenty of things to read that if you want to find you can that suggest negative effects. Maybe it doesn't cause damage however I don't think its worth the risk since there are many people that say they used it heavily for a while and had bad effects when they ceased to use it. This is all stipulation but I just don't think its worth messing around with and thats just my two cents.

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: relativexistance]
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relativexistance said:
Can you provide evidence that it doesn't cause longterm disabilities?


No. That request is ridiculous for a few reasons.

You claimed that evidence of damage existed. The burden of proof to support your claim is on you. I am not obligated to contradict your claim.

Proving that DXM doesn't cause damage is not really possible. That is like proving that God doesn't exist or that cars can't fly. There's not any way to have direct evidence of the absence of something. I can't prove that cars can't fly, but that doesn't mean that they can fly.

Quote:
Well I don't have any scientific evidence from clincal studies but there are plenty of things to read that if you want to find you can that suggest negative effects.


Provide them.

Quote:
Maybe it doesn't cause damage however I don't think its worth the risk since there are many people that say they used it heavily for a while and had bad effects when they ceased to use it..


Poor methodology. People may be motivated to self-report negative effects but users who don't feel affected probably wouldn't be motivated to tell people that after using a lot of DXM they felt fine.

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Phencyclidine]
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You have some valid points, about the negative reports. I myself have had good trips with dxm, but I also have had bad. However I find that when there are bad reports, they are generally serious. It's not like just smoking so much you get sick or eating so much mushrooms that you vomit, it's more like someone almost dying. I still say avoid using dxm, stick to more forgiving substances such as the mushroom.

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: relativexistance]
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Fair enough.

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Phencyclidine]
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alright cool guys, thanks

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: relativexistance]
    #2671225 -

wait is there any place on here where i can buy legit shrooms? because i dont really know much about them, or what looks dank n whatnot. late

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Hallucinogen]
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Hallucinogen....I am an avid nitrous user and would like to know more on how you believe nitrous dishes out brain cells. I persoanlly feel fine but of course I have no means of comparison to how I would be if I had never touched the stuff. I still cant find anything on the internet or books that suggests nitrous is a progressively dangerous drug but the myth behind it killing brain cells seems to be pretty widespread and accepted. I am not challenging you just would love to know more of your knowledge behind the damaging properties of nitrous use. It seems every thing I have read concernig the subject--even medical libraries---states this...."does nitrous kill brain cells? Well, yes but so does drinking a beer" Pretty vauge huh? You however, seem pretty confident of your opinion. Thanks again, SillyWilly

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: relativexistance]
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Quote:
The yardstick for sanity is simply functionality: if you find yourself standing in the middle of the street naked, yelling about the coming apocalypse, the police are not likely to look upon the matter kindly, even [or especially] if you really are a "prophet" of God.)



That sounds more like the effects of antihistamine ingredients in syrups that also contain DXM. But that's not even the point, if someone was standing in the middle of the street naked, yelling about the coming apocalypse, that is simply an outlandish choice to make, regardless of what intoxicants might have inspired you to do so. It's no evidence that DXM is harmful.

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NAN is one of several possible explanations for the medium and long term negative consequences of heavy dissociative use.



I agree that heavy dissasociative use is potentially quite hazardous. That's why DXM, like any drug, should be used responsibly.

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Viveka]
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i dont regret doing any drug i have ever tried, these are just drugs where i could easily see people regretting doing them. im not arguing for or against the use of any drugs, this is just my experience
nicotine - hard to quit, costs ALOT of money, relatively small effect for something you will probably end up paying 5-10 bucks a day for
pcp - can be extremely unpleasent and lead to bad situations if you smoke too much, which is pretty fuckin easy to do
dxm - heavy use of this can lead to you feeling like shit for months after you stop doing it
dramamine - causes hallucinations (as in you cannot tell what the drug is doing from reality, you can think there are people there that arent, think one thing is another, etc)
crack - you will probably liek it alot.

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: wrong]
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I agree about the dxm thing. I only used it a couple times and never had problems but I wont try it again, not worth the risks. The most I had was nearly the entire 8 ounce bottle of robo max. a couple other times I only had half the bottle and tripped a level 2. It didnt even really make me hallunicate, just feel kinda like being drunk. shrooms are soooooo much better and safer

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: shrooms777]
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Edited by Zeppelin (10/01/04 04:09 AM)

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: wrong]
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ok anyone out there know anyway to "extract" dxm from all the bad shit in it? my friend said that he got this list of drugs you can basically make or take from pharmacies like dramamine coricidin shit like that you know. and he said something about taking dxm and extracting all the bad shit in it, so its just a hallucinogen (or whatever it does). Does anyone know if its possible, and if so, care to explain? thanks guys

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Infrared]
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deepblue, by the way, the guy i said about taking 70...he actually did it. im not sure if it was all at once, but it was less than a few hours.

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: cformaldehyde]
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No, you can't buy shrooms on the internet

You can extract the DXM, but it'd better to just go with the coughgels or, if you're into DXM that much, the pure powder

70 Coricidin is extremely dangerous, but I do have an acquaintance who took four boxes of them and turned out fine. I forget how many are in a box, so I can't compare it to 70, but generally stay away from Coricidin


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: cformaldehyde]
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You can extract DXM HBr from Coricidin but it is very inefficient (a lot of DXM is lost).

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Ravus]
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I thought fresh shrooms were legal to buy on the internet if you live in the UK.

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: TreePhiend]
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Yes, but since the Shroomery is located in the United States, it's not a smart idea to allow people to sell drugs over it.

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: HeavyToilet]
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There are 16 tablets in each box of coricidin (2 sheets). I knew people who ate boxes of these and ended up in the hospital. No bleeding eyes or whatever, but they were pretty messed up.


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: thepodman]
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Heres my 2 cents about DXM.I've tried a whole box of coricidin once and chased it with half a bottle of NyQuil and it did'nt do anything but make me retarded for 2 days.I was'nt fucked up or anything,I was sluggish and not attentive at all.I won't be doing it again because it's a waste of time.But for all of you who enjoy DXM,you should just stay away from Coricidin.Get something like a bottle of Robitussin or something that does'nt have the killyourself-maleate in it. Peace....

Edited by Baton_Rouge_Voodoo (05/14/04 04:35 AM)

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Baton_Rouge_Voodoo]
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I don't know if this was said but, there are straight DXM pills that are available over the net, a product called DexAlone. I hate APAP why do they have to put this in everything.


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: sevens]
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Is that DexAlone stuff more safe than other shit with dxm?

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: cformaldehyde]
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It's no safer than robo cough gels or sucrets cough lozenges or maximum strength cough syrups, all of which contain nothing but DXM.  Dexalone works the best of all these products though, in my experience.  Cleanest and most potent onset.  Takes like 1:10 to kick in though, but it hits all at once  :scrambled:

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Viveka]
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Dexalone is also full of sorbitol, BTW.

IMO, it would also be best to avoid syrups that have sugar. Sugar-free syrups should be used.

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Phencyclidine]
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Meh, i think the sorbitol in Dexalone is pretty benign. It does seem strange that there would even be a sweetener in a gelcap, unless it's somehow incorporated into the gelatin.

I agree with avoiding sugary syrups. Just having a gut full of thick glucose can make a DXM trip shitty. I think the sorbitol in Dexalone is negligable though.

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Viveka]
    #2679925 -

I never thought of it that way.  Of course: how much sorbitol would be needed to sweeten a gel cap?  OTOH, sorbitol is intentionally added by some companies in order to discourage abuse.  One does have to wonder about Dexalone though (the name makes it seem like a marketing strategy to appeal to DXMers).  All I'll say is that there have been reports with Dexalone of side effects consistent with sorbitol ingestion  :wink: :grin:

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: sevens]
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k well im gonna try n get some. is dexalone only available over the net? if not, i will need to get somethin from the store. what would be the best proudct i could get from a store. thanks

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: CerebralFlower]
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nutmeg :lol: and kava kava


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: FatVsAsia]
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Yeah, I found nutmeg to be alright, but it's pretty hard on the liver, gives a hangover, and makes you act like a complete moron. Hmm almost sounds like another popular drug now that I think of it...

But what's wrong with kava kava?

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: deff]
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everytime i have tried it just threw up, I hated it. I love hydrocodone too but i just took to much today and threw up and now i feel sick. uhg...


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: cformaldehyde]
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does anyone know if dexalone is only available over the internet? and if not, what should i use from a store?

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: cformaldehyde]
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Dexalone is available in stores.

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: CerebralFlower]
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Don't tell others to avoid it. Maybe tell them to be cautious, especially because of your bad experience, There many people who like it. And many other who might. Everyones differant dude.


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: barfightlard]
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youd need one dexalone pill per mg of body weight to experience a 3rd plateu trip, right? each pill is only 10mg of dxm too. youd go thru over a pint of water swallowing all those pills, doesnt make it much easier than chugging a single 8 ounce of robomax

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: shrooms777]
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shrooms777 said:
youd need one dexalone pill per mg of body weight to experience a 3rd plateu trip, right?


You probably mean "kilogram" of body weight. I think Dexalone have 30mg of DXM HBr, and 30mg/kg would be quite excessive, IMO.

Quote:
each pill is only 10mg of dxm too.


Are they not 30mg each?

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: CerebralFlower]
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I would avoid mixing different types of alcoholic drinks...
That is a one-way ticket to hell; you'll enjoy the ride; but you'll know when you've arrived when you're hanging over the sink wondering why the hell you started drinking in the first place.

SO for me, the only drug to avoid is too much alcohol; I can handle other drugs just fine.


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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Hallucinogen]
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Dont mind this stupid kid hes just starving for attention. Since he doesnt know shit from peanut butter he has to get avatar that has boobs to get any postive attention.

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
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true that

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. [Re: CerebralFlower]
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Edited by Yrtlzmo (02/03/13 12:20 PM)

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: CerebralFlower]
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The drugs I avoid:
- Nicotine
- Alcohol
- Cocaine/Crack
- Herion, and all opiates
- PCP and ketamine
- All amphetamines and related drugs (meth, ect...)
- Datura
- Inhalants (not nitrous of course...)
- Anything IV

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: CerebralFlower]
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So according to this thread (and excluding what Hallucinogen said) these drugs should be OK to use:

Marijuana/Hash
Aminatas
DMT/Ayahuasca
5-MeO-DMT
GHB
LSD
Shrooms
Ecstasy (occasionally)
Salvia
Benzos
Barbituates
Nitrous
Mescaline (Peyote, San Pedro, P. Torch, etc...)

Unless anyone has any problems with any of these?...

EDIT: Forgot to add Nitrous and Mescaline!

Edited by PinballWizard (05/17/04 11:00 PM)

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: PinballWizard]
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GHB=date rape drug :frown:

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: shrooms777]
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There is more than one use for GHB and other drugs can be used as date rate drugs.

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: shrooms777]
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I'm not saying I use any of those drugs, I'm just trying to compile a list of "safe drugs" according to the Shroomery.  :stoned:

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: shrooms777]
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"if it wasn't for date rape i'd never get laid."

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Re: Tip: Drugs to Avoid [Re: Viveka]
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>> The yardstick for sanity is simply functionality: if
>> you find yourself standing in the middle of the street
>> naked, yelling about the coming apocalypse, the police
>> are not likely to look upon the matter kindly, even
>> [or especially] if you really are a "prophet" of God.)
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> That sounds more like the effects of antihistamine
> ingredients in syrups that also contain DXM.
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Bizarre behavior such as the above is well-documented with abusers of dissociatives such as PCP and ketamine. My paper was not only about DXM, but incidentally, DXM has also been anecdotally reported as sometimes provoking extremely bizarre behavior.
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> But that's not even the point, if someone was standing
> in the middle of the street naked, yelling about the
> coming apocalypse, that is simply an outlandish choice
> to make, regardless of what intoxicants might have
> inspired you to do so.
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Yes, this is what I was emphasizing by my statement.
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> It's no evidence that DXM is harmful.
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Nor was it presented as such.
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>> NAN is one of several possible explanations for the
>> medium and long term negative consequences of heavy
>> dissociative use.
---
> I agree that heavy dissasociative use is potentially
> quite hazardous. That's why DXM, like any drug, should
> be used responsibly.
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I agree.
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Namaste,
Cliff

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