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Re: Do these cakes look healthy to you? [Re: PrimeNumber] * 1
    #25567415 - 10/25/18 07:33 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Yup most likely trich.


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Re: Do these cakes look healthy to you? [Re: Geinstein]
    #25567418 - 10/25/18 07:34 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I prefer bulk:  much easier and less stressful than cakes IMO... no need for bleach, antibacterial soap and warm water will suffice... are you using a PC? A SAB?  Flame sterilizing and NOT wiping the needle?


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Re: Do these cakes look healthy to you? [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25567450 - 10/25/18 07:42 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

"are you using a PC? A SAB?  Flame sterilizing and NOT wiping the needle?"

Yes.  Yes.  Yes.

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Re: Do these cakes look healthy to you? [Re: PrimeNumber]
    #25567546 - 10/25/18 08:21 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

How long do you PC?


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Re: Do these cakes look healthy to you? [Re: PrimeNumber]
    #25567560 - 10/25/18 08:27 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

hell no. unless you been squeezing them and its just bruising. and if thats the case quit touching em...

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Re: Do these cakes look healthy to you? [Re: Noisecontrol]
    #25567566 - 10/25/18 08:29 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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How long do you PC?




45-60 minutes

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Re: Do these cakes look healthy to you? [Re: PrimeNumber]
    #25567578 - 10/25/18 08:31 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

There's ya problem homie. 90-120

Also keep in mind contammed syringes DO happen


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Re: Do these cakes look healthy to you? [Re: Noisecontrol]
    #25567601 - 10/25/18 08:38 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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There's ya problem homie. 90-120

Also keep in mind contammed syringes DO happen





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3. Follow your pressure cookers instructions to bring it up to pressure (15 PSI) and let it cook for 45 to 60 minutes.




https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24179086/fpart/1/vc/1

I hope everybody can see why a noob can get frustrated trying to follow the advice on this website.  Because there's a shitload of conflicting advice.  It's like trying to cut your way through the jungle sometimes.

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Re: Do these cakes look healthy to you? [Re: PrimeNumber]
    #25567636 - 10/25/18 08:50 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

That you can't get cakes to fruit said more about your skills/knowledge than is says about quality of the PF Tek :shrug:
I don't mean this in any negative way!!!

Why have you lost faith in it? I for one am so glad I know it inside and out and am doing it now a BIG project. For me this is like the dooms day Tek for growing mushrooms its so easy you could do it while travelling just bring some spore syringes (or make them on the road as well) this is what I think of the PF Tek and I'm sure you will too when you get the hang of it :super:

If you want I can start a new Pf Tek Grow-along thread in which we can all post and always have experienced growers there ready to help us with anything? I'll make the thread anyway and we'll see if you'll give it another shot! :mushroom2::heart:


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Re: Do these cakes look healthy to you? [Re: PrimeNumber]
    #25567651 - 10/25/18 08:55 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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How long do you PC?




45-60 minutes



:nono: you don't sterilise substrates for only 45 min that's asking for trouble I think that's why your cakes contaminated to be honest.

The PC cycle has to make sure that maximum heat has reached the center of the substrate and then keep it there for an absolute minimum of 15 minutes. I would let my jars heat up for at least 60min and then I will let them go for another 30 min so 90 min at 18PSI is how I sterilise BRF cakes I wouldn't sterilise for shorter period than 90 min.


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Re: Do these cakes look healthy to you? [Re: Mateja]
    #25567770 - 10/25/18 09:41 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

EDIT: I'm extremely bitter at the moment, sorry guys.

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Re: Do these cakes look healthy to you? [Re: PrimeNumber]
    #25568145 - 10/26/18 12:37 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Don't be bitter my first grow with cakes I was so excited I made PF cakes in everything I could find . . .it all contam every fucken last one of them got contam.

How ever that moment when you eat fresh mushes from your own hard work , there is only a few special moments in my live so far that compere or beats it. (I'm still young so I don't have as many experiences)

Keep on it, work hard on it.
This is the same as that girl you like slowly flirting back and then she gives you a kiss and so on . . . till your growing like a pro and giving all your friends free mushes - as I believe all mushes should be.


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Re: Do these cakes look healthy to you? [Re: Geinstein] * 1
    #25568246 - 10/26/18 02:43 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Honestly man, I'll be as blunt as possible. This very thread is gonna be make or break for you in cultivating. You've been given the answer which will likely set your problem straight, what you choose to do with it and how you choose to feel about what's already done and unchangable will set the tone for your future experiences cultivating. A LOT of people fall off at this point because they fail to realize it's a learning process, as with anything. You can't just be perfect right off the bat. How do you think TC's got to their title? Persistence and a willingness to learn from their mistakes. I guarantee you if you spend less energy on being pissed about this loss (which is a really small loss by the way trust me shit can be a disaster), and more on focusing toward improvement, you'll be successful.

Take the red or blue pill, my friend. The choice is yours.


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Re: Do these cakes look healthy to you? [Re: Noisecontrol]
    #25568619 - 10/26/18 08:59 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Frustration is a waste of time and energy... diligence will pay off


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Re: Do these cakes look healthy to you? [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25568772 - 10/26/18 10:08 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Fr, syringe/agar,lc/grain/caseing
You know how many mini monos you could have in a RV and breaking bad that shit


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Re: Do these cakes look healthy to you? [Re: XnMe]
    #25569787 - 10/26/18 05:19 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I've thrown out all my cakes.  The snowy-white turned green.  Definitely trichoderma.

I've done some troubleshooting in my mind as to what went wrong with my previous two batches.  Both were clearly contaminated with trichorderma after over a week in the SGFC.  There seem to be three likely culprits.

1)  Bad syringes, in which case, I should not be reordering the same variety from the same (very well regarded) provider.  I think this is unlikely, but certainly possible. 

2)  Inadequate pressure cooking.  If this is indeed the case, that I should be sterilizing for 90-120 minutes instead of 45-60, someone other than myself should have a talk with Ziran and his updated PF Tek advice.

3)  Dirty apartment.  I have a dog.  The trichoderma showed up after over a week in the SGFC; I think it's reasonable that my relatively unventilated, soft-ceiling tile bathroom, landed on the cakes while they were trying to pin.

I can order different spores and pressure cook for longer--and try to grow in my kitchen instead of my bathroom--but if trichoderma shows up after all of that, I'd say my apartment is fucked.

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I'm not giving up.  But I'm trying to isolate what went wrong, and I have it narrowed down to these three. 

Lastly, I'm not doing this hobby to have a good time, I'm doing it because I've been depressed as hell for the last several years, and shrooms actually help me feel better.  Failing at the PF Tek is taking a toll on me, but I'm not giving up.  I don't feel I have any other choice than to keep trying.

Last thing: Do I toss the perlite?  Do I toss the SGFCs?

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Re: Do these cakes look healthy to you? [Re: PrimeNumber]
    #25570428 - 10/26/18 10:59 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Master agar/lc,
then the world is yours bro


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Re: Do these cakes look healthy to you? [Re: XnMe]
    #25570646 - 10/27/18 03:17 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Although this is true ^ I wouldn't recommend LC to someone having cleanliness issues as LC is the epitome of needing to be clean


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Re: Do these cakes look healthy to you? [Re: PrimeNumber]
    #25570653 - 10/27/18 03:33 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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3)  Dirty apartment.  I have a dog.  The trichoderma showed up after over a week in the SGFC; I think it's reasonable that my relatively unventilated, soft-ceiling tile bathroom, landed on the cakes while they were trying to pin.




I have 3 dogs.

Keep your ops in the cleanest room possible (ideally non carpeted well ventilated room)

Was your FC without a lid?? How else could stuff from your ceiling land on your cakes?

You should also have an indirect fan in the room, NOT pointing at your FC but just blowing somewhere or oscillating. This hobby will teach you so much about air currents if you pay attention.

It is very likely that the trich was there before birthing so don't jump to the conclusion that your environment is the problem. Get your clean practices down then if you still have problems, look more into environment.

Dirty syringe is a viable conclusion only when you eliminate all other possibilities of contamination.

You're on the right track, here. Keep thinking critically about your circumstances and practices and you'll be carving out canopies in no time, brotato chip
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P.s. Bleach water wash the perlite if you're gonna re-use it. Just make sure you're thorough; Soak it if you wanna be sure. Rinse well after draining.


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Re: Do these cakes look healthy to you? [Re: Noisecontrol]
    #25571182 - 10/27/18 10:44 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Check this out for an alternative to LC


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